mantis7
12-10-2003, 03:00 PM
I just started posting again after a long time away and it seems that most here have not learned the reality of all the topics mention in the title of the post.
I am a traditionalist and I have 20 + yrs in the martial arts.
I have studied Gung fu, my main system, and thai boxing, shoot wrestiling, escrima, other gung fu systems, wushu and even something along the lines of XMA.
Martial arts means diffrent things to diffrnet people. I love to do combat I am off the old school mentality and train that way.
This is not for everyone and everyone does not have the luxury to train like that day in and day out plain and simple.
Traditional training takes a patienct person who is willing to go from form to form, tech to tech, posture to posture, weapon to weapon. They have a desire to immerse themselves into the cultural idea of the art. The want to know the history and ever little nuiance. This is not for everyone some people just want to learn how to defend themselves with out all the extra stuff. The reality of traditional systems is that even with out the forms the systems could be taught completely. If this was true we wouldnt have so many fakes out their.
The more modern concepts or what appear to be modern like BJJ, grappeling and the like has its place. Their realistic combat ideaology and training methods are nothing new but they have the right idea. If you want to beat a grappler then learn to grapple. Do not knock them for going to the ground thats their game. Just like some gung fu systems use methods that seem odd to thers. I know people will say ohh if they had friends they will get stopped but guess what if their is more than one person after you their will be a point that you will wind up on the ground and you better know what to do. I love gung fu but its not the ultimate answer to every senario. Yes it can deal with multiple opponents but its not a definte solution to this problem.
The modern people also are usually in great shape and are ready for a fight at the drop of a dime. This is not so true in gung fu. Someone could practice forms and tech all the time but not have the strength,timing,endurace, or body conditioning to be ready. I am not knocking gung fu but I do look at thing realisticly.
XMA is an idae for those people who want to learn a sport that they can compete at with some contact. The good thing about XMA is that they do teach in such away that the person excels. I see those gentleman and women move those weapons at speeds that most gung fu people cant but at the same time they have no real concept of how to use those weapons in real combat.
All those flips they did do have some use. Just look at the benifits the constant jumping teaches explosive energy as far as moving quickly orbeing able to move at a fast rate. It takes great leg strength to do some of those techniques.
Wushu. even though it is a sport just like XMA it is a martial ARTS fform. The wushu people I have meet and trained with train ten time harder then most gung fu and general NHB people I have met.
I have also done combat firearms and the phillipino arnis to learn combat blade fighting.
SO what am I trying to get at? Dont knock each other look at what each other are doing and take what benificial for yourself. Look at what each other are doing and learn. Anything physical has a paticular benifit. Take the ground work from NHB grappeling so you can be prepared for the day you are on the ground be it by take down or trip and fall or a chair to the back of the head. Look at traditional Gung fu and leanr the tech and train them the way a NHB fighter would. Look at wushu and learn the extreme flexibility,speed and weapons training and make it your own. This would only enhance your traditional material. Look at the XMA and learn how they keep their sudents so enthralled with their systems and learn that tradition isnt for everyone and your system will not die if you have students intrested in it. Their will always be traditionalist.
All of these schools of thought have great benifits and ignorant ideaology. Dnt get suxed in by the ignorance and use the productive material to your advantage.
Im surprised that most have not been able to see yet and it saddens me greatly that everyone has to bash someone when they try to do something productive.
I know I will get the respone but they portray themselves as something they are not blah bah balh.
I know that they do and those who do not like what they are learning will leave and find a school that has what they want sonner or later. Most people just want to live the fantasy of training and go to the school for social engagement. live and let live to what is right for you and others will do the same. The only time I say you must speak up is if someone is a fraud out right. Where there is no sport,martial,fitness availabel and they are out just to take people for their money. If that person is happy in a situation like that then fine because you can not enlighten a person who does not wish to see. ignorance is bliss and sometimes it is alot better than knowing the truth for some.
Cheers
Victor
I am a traditionalist and I have 20 + yrs in the martial arts.
I have studied Gung fu, my main system, and thai boxing, shoot wrestiling, escrima, other gung fu systems, wushu and even something along the lines of XMA.
Martial arts means diffrent things to diffrnet people. I love to do combat I am off the old school mentality and train that way.
This is not for everyone and everyone does not have the luxury to train like that day in and day out plain and simple.
Traditional training takes a patienct person who is willing to go from form to form, tech to tech, posture to posture, weapon to weapon. They have a desire to immerse themselves into the cultural idea of the art. The want to know the history and ever little nuiance. This is not for everyone some people just want to learn how to defend themselves with out all the extra stuff. The reality of traditional systems is that even with out the forms the systems could be taught completely. If this was true we wouldnt have so many fakes out their.
The more modern concepts or what appear to be modern like BJJ, grappeling and the like has its place. Their realistic combat ideaology and training methods are nothing new but they have the right idea. If you want to beat a grappler then learn to grapple. Do not knock them for going to the ground thats their game. Just like some gung fu systems use methods that seem odd to thers. I know people will say ohh if they had friends they will get stopped but guess what if their is more than one person after you their will be a point that you will wind up on the ground and you better know what to do. I love gung fu but its not the ultimate answer to every senario. Yes it can deal with multiple opponents but its not a definte solution to this problem.
The modern people also are usually in great shape and are ready for a fight at the drop of a dime. This is not so true in gung fu. Someone could practice forms and tech all the time but not have the strength,timing,endurace, or body conditioning to be ready. I am not knocking gung fu but I do look at thing realisticly.
XMA is an idae for those people who want to learn a sport that they can compete at with some contact. The good thing about XMA is that they do teach in such away that the person excels. I see those gentleman and women move those weapons at speeds that most gung fu people cant but at the same time they have no real concept of how to use those weapons in real combat.
All those flips they did do have some use. Just look at the benifits the constant jumping teaches explosive energy as far as moving quickly orbeing able to move at a fast rate. It takes great leg strength to do some of those techniques.
Wushu. even though it is a sport just like XMA it is a martial ARTS fform. The wushu people I have meet and trained with train ten time harder then most gung fu and general NHB people I have met.
I have also done combat firearms and the phillipino arnis to learn combat blade fighting.
SO what am I trying to get at? Dont knock each other look at what each other are doing and take what benificial for yourself. Look at what each other are doing and learn. Anything physical has a paticular benifit. Take the ground work from NHB grappeling so you can be prepared for the day you are on the ground be it by take down or trip and fall or a chair to the back of the head. Look at traditional Gung fu and leanr the tech and train them the way a NHB fighter would. Look at wushu and learn the extreme flexibility,speed and weapons training and make it your own. This would only enhance your traditional material. Look at the XMA and learn how they keep their sudents so enthralled with their systems and learn that tradition isnt for everyone and your system will not die if you have students intrested in it. Their will always be traditionalist.
All of these schools of thought have great benifits and ignorant ideaology. Dnt get suxed in by the ignorance and use the productive material to your advantage.
Im surprised that most have not been able to see yet and it saddens me greatly that everyone has to bash someone when they try to do something productive.
I know I will get the respone but they portray themselves as something they are not blah bah balh.
I know that they do and those who do not like what they are learning will leave and find a school that has what they want sonner or later. Most people just want to live the fantasy of training and go to the school for social engagement. live and let live to what is right for you and others will do the same. The only time I say you must speak up is if someone is a fraud out right. Where there is no sport,martial,fitness availabel and they are out just to take people for their money. If that person is happy in a situation like that then fine because you can not enlighten a person who does not wish to see. ignorance is bliss and sometimes it is alot better than knowing the truth for some.
Cheers
Victor