I'm sure that a pro football player could kick chuck norris any day

[borya_00]

all u martial arists are fake. It's like when some dweeb with a brown belt attacked me in 7th grade. he was taller then me and he could kick above my nose, but i just played soccer and wasn't afraid of nobody. when he tried to kick me in the nose i just i blocked him, and when he tried to kick me in the balls, i also blocked him. when he tried to punch me, i again blocked him. in the end i just grabbed him by his chest and threw him on the ground and pounded him.

and now that i'm 6'1 and 210lb of athletic muscle i just don't see how these tiny chinese kung fu masters, who are half my size can kick my ass. It's like having a boxing match between a light-weight and Vladimir Klitchko. U just don't need skills if u're bigger.

Why don't you go challenge Mario Sperry or Mark Coleman to a fight, see how much your soccer helps you then. Or how about Matt Hughes, he's only 5 '9 and 165lbs. You'd be crying for your mother.

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[jimmy23]

ok,man ,go fight frank shamrock,tito or sakuraba,all smalller than you and all would bend ya over easy /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[origenx]

Bruce Lee encountered many guys like you in his day. And many were "baptised" by him when he proceeded to kick their *sses. I guarantee you some of the smallest oldest Chinese masters out there are actually the most powerful and dangerous. But, that's something you will never believe until you experience it for yourself.

[JKDjeetKuneDo]

Empty Your Cup.....
Look at bruce lee, he was small, but you wouldnt last one second with him, put it this way, ive been studying jkd all my life, and if bruce lee was alive and he attacked me, my main line of defence would be lay on the ground with my arms behind my back, and be yelling im sorry. so dont screw with little chinese masters, you will die.
Keith (GrasHopper)

[LeviathanX]

I would have to agree that it might be possible for a brown belt to lose in a fight, just as it is possible for a grandmaster to lose in a fight. The difference is that the brown belt has significantly less training than the grandmaster and may not have the best judgment on fighting skill (i.e. he/she might know the moves, but the application is not yet apparent to them).

Don't compare the fighting skills of a brown belt with a normal person, compare the fighting skills of a black belt or above with a normal person.

You speak out of ignorance, and that is very dangerous. I doubt your soccer kicks are going to save you in a knife fight. It is good to know how to defend yourself with tested moves that have worked for millenia.

Hey... if this stuff didn't work, why would warriors be trained in it for thousands of years? They sure as hell weren't playing soccer.

[origenx]

Although getting more training and a higher belt may represent advancement compared to yourself, different people start out at different levels so you can't compare people across the board like that. There are certainly many no-belts that can whup black belts, and vice-versa.

[Kymus]

The color of the belt means nothing. Neither does size. I am 5'9" and weigh 145 lbs. I find it rather easy to take out bigger people who rely on strength. Go challenge dan inosanto. The man is 70 years old and could run circles around you. You obviously know nothing about the science of fighting. Go find somewhere else to cause trouble. The troll position has already been filled by word.

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"Crosstraining is the key"
~Sifu Rick Tucci~

[LeviathanX]

I used the term black belt loosely. What I intended to convey was that a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous. A brown belt has a little bit of knowledge, but typically doesn't know how to control that knowledge or use it practically. A black belt is supposed to represent someone more experienced in the martial arts (I used it merely as an example, and not to describe ALL black belts).

The point is, a martial artist is trained on the methods of fighting, in general someone trained to know how to fight will win over someone who is not. Of course, there are always exceptions.

[kungfuswack]

Of course size matters. I'm 5'7", and I'm there's no point in lying to myself. The best I could do against a 200lb guy is fight dirty, be totally commited to beating the crap out of him, and hopefully survive. Martial artists get sold all sorts of crap about how an old man uses chi to stop a huge attacker. Bull****.

[jimmy23]

"The best I could do against a 200lb guy is fight dirty, be totally commited to beating the crap out of him, and hopefully survive."
I hope you arent saying that youd fight a smaller opponent less vigorously?I weigh 240,and if I fought a 120 pounder Id do just like you said.Of course,I have the distinct training advantage of having had the poo beat out of me by someone smaller on several occasions /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[origenx]

kungfuswack - I wouldn't be so sure that 80 yo masters beating up big young guns are just urban legends. Although I've never seen such a fight actually take place (course, how many 20 yo's do you see pickin a fight with an 80 yo, or vice versa?), I have been administered a demo 1" punch by a late 60s master to make me a believer.

Course, people like this are usually to be found in China, or at least have grown up there.

[chokeyouout2]

I know this guy is trying to be funny.But if your serious come to Rickson Gracies tournament on the 20th of this month and enter the absolute class fights.You might win, who knows.You never know until you try. peace you can get the info on the tourney at www.intheguard.com (http://www.intheguard.com)

[totallyfrozen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by borya_00:
all u martial arists are fake. It's like when some dweeb with a brown belt attacked me in 7th grade. he was taller then me and he could kick above my nose, but i just played soccer and wasn't afraid of nobody. when he tried to kick me in the nose i just i blocked him, and when he tried to kick me in the balls, i also blocked him. when he tried to punch me, i again blocked him. in the end i just grabbed him by his chest and threw him on the ground and pounded him.

and now that i'm 6'1 and 210lb of athletic muscle i just don't see how these tiny chinese kung fu masters, who are half my size can kick my ass. It's like having a boxing match between a light-weight and Vladimir Klitchko. U just don't need skills if u're bigger.[/quote]

I love reading posts like yours. I wish I could be there when you get educated about Chinese boxing. There are plenty of small guys and women who could kick your butt and because you think they can't it'll take them less time to do it.
Good luck /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[totallyfrozen]

A book I have says that Bruce Lee was 5'8" and 150 lbs.
There is no record of any actual, real life fight that Bruce Lee was in that ever lasted more than 4 seconds. I have documentary videos with this information. During the filming of Enter The Dragon, he had been challenged by a number of Chinese "tough guys" in Hong Kong because they didn't like him being an American movie star and looking so tough with his kung-fu. One guy he knocked out in one move...the whole fight took one second. Another time..the longest fight...was only 4 seconds and it took him only 3 moves to knock the guy out cold.
Believe what you want...it doesn't offend me.

[totallyfrozen]

One last thought...
Don't be in too big a hurry to discount what martial arts is all about just because some 7th grader couldn't beat you. I'm not an instructor and never have been..but personally, I don't see why schools even hand out brown and black belts to kids. Kids aren't even done physically developing, teenagres are physically ackward and aren't even used to how long their arms and legs are not too mention they just don't have the self-confidence and brains that come with time (I'm 30 by the way).
I'm sure that if you got in a scrap with an adult brown belt who took his/her martial art seriously and practiced alot, you would get hurt pretty badly...or knocked out...or both.
Yes, there are some schools which are a joke. We have a judo school in my city which I thought about attending at one time but it turned out to be a joke. They were sloppy, undiscplined, and couldn't perform the techniques. One of the "black belt" instrutors was so incredibly obese that she couldn't even demonstrate the techniques. This in NOT the typical brown or black belt...and this is not the type I am talking about. If you met up with a serious martial artist, you might be surprised at how fast you could get hurt or knocked out. Don't let a little 7th grader deceive you.

Something else you might not know about martial arts. When you receive a black belt, you have just begun. All a black belt means is that you have learned the basics. It means that you know the techinques. It doesn't mean you have mastered the techniques, it doesn't mean that you fully understand the techniques, it doesn't mean that you fully understand the applications of the techniques, it doesn't mean that you fully understand your own ki (chi, qi) power. All it means is that you have demonstrated that you know the basics. This is why the Masters are all very old. It takes a lifetime to discover and develop the wisdom and understanding hidden in the martial arts. So your little brown belt 7th grader hadn't even learned all the basics yet. He/she was a brown belt and not even a black belt yet...let alone a 3, 4, or 6 degree black belt or whatever. You were fighting against a beginner and a young one at that...and you have made yourself believe that the martial arts are a waste of time.

I'm not offended that you disrespect martial arts and I hope your not offended at my comments.


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[totallyfrozen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kungfuswack:
Of course size matters. I'm 5'7", and I'm there's no point in lying to myself. The best I could do against a 200lb guy is fight dirty, be totally commited to beating the crap out of him, and hopefully survive. Martial artists get sold all sorts of crap about how an old man uses chi to stop a huge attacker. Bull****. [/quote]

I don't understand why so many people say things about "a story of some old guy doing blah, blah, blah to a big guy, etc."

Bruce Lee's demonstrations are available on video tape. I have them. Go rent them.
You're not the only one who has said these things. For crying out loud, it's not some "old rumor" it's on video....go watch it yourself. Bruce Lee did a "floating punch" and knocked a very large man back 6 feet by punching him from one inch away (the "legendary" one-inch punch). These stories aren't spooky "LEGENDS"....go watch them yourself. Geez...it's no ****ed "secret"...they're on video. I wish that all of the people who think like you do would stop talking like that and go watch the videos FIRST...then say what you think.
Bruce Lee even punched the late Ed Parker founder and former grandmaster of American Kenpo. Even Ed said that he gained alot of respect for Lee because of his blinding speed and abnormal power.
They're not legends or rumors...go watch the video.

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[origenx]

Hell, or just check out the UFCs. You have several matches where the smaller opponent beat the larger opponent, who may have been way taller and outweighed him by tens or even hundreds of lbs!