My teacher has lost

[fa_jing]

My sifu has lost a few fights. Good as he is. Has yours?

[Chang Style Novice]

Does talking in class about when his elbow was popped (at least twice) during practice count?

[Ikken Hisatsu]

the only undefeated fighters are those who dont compete, as a wise man once said. you learn more from losing than you do from winning, as some other smart fella said.

My "sifu" (sorry that word just cracks me up) lost a few and won a few in the army (boxing) but as for outside the ring I dont know. Hes not the kind of guy you would imagine getting into a fight on the street.

[taijiquan_student]

Wasn't Chang Dong Sheng undefeated in all of his known bouts?

[fa_jing]

Actually I'm not sure when and where these losses took place. Probably during competition, but who knows. I just know that he'll freely admit to having lost before. Not that it should be that big of a deal, but it is, in this stark MA world where fairytales are sold for cash...

[fa_jing]

My teacher isn't Chang Dong Shen. (trying to keep thread on track)

[Ikken Hisatsu]

Id be pretty sus of someone who claimed to have never of been beaten. It would mean either

a) they dont fight, or
b) they are full of sh*t.

[taijiquan_student]

Sorry about that. Anyway, yeah, I know my teacher has lost before. He was 2nd place in the National Push Hands Championship in Taiwan in the 80s (I think it was sometime in the 80s), so he obviously didn't win the match for 1st place. There have been other times in sanshou I'm sure, but it wasn't in competition so there wasn't a clear winner/loser type of thing. But yeah, anyone who's never been beaten need to test their skills with more people.

[Chang Style Novice]

TJQ Student - That's the story, but it begins after he's already trained for a decade under Chang Feng-Yen.

[taijiquan_student]

That's true. I'm sure he took many lumps in those 10 initial years.

[KC Elbows]

Sort of related.

My teacher was a bit rough during his teens. He was a scrapper, and did all right, generally. He's got a good fighter's build, lots of upper body strength, good sense of timing, and lots of speed.

Anyway, he was walking down the street one time, and passed an alleyway where what he assumes was a gang rape was happening. He made the mistake of saying hey or something to that extent, and one guy broke from the group and started walking toward him with a knife and a freaky look. My teacher got the hell out of there and called the cops, not because he feared the knife so much, but because he saw the guy holding it and assessed him to be the wrng person to mess with. The way my teacher describes it is by an expression in spanish(which I don't know) that basically means "The devil in him was bigger than the devil in me", or something like that. So there's one he didn't even fight, because he knew he'd lost it the moment he saw the guy.

Just an interesting story, back to the subject at hand.

[FatherDog]

http://fcfighter.brinkster.net/fighter.asp?FighterID=9233

[Serpent]

Originally posted by KC Elbows
Sort of related.

My teacher was a bit rough during his teens. He was a scrapper, and did all right, generally. He's got a good fighter's build, lots of upper body strength, good sense of timing, and lots of speed.

Anyway, he was walking down the street one time, and passed an alleyway where what he assumes was a gang rape was happening. He made the mistake of saying hey or something to that extent, and one guy broke from the group and started walking toward him with a knife and a freaky look. My teacher got the hell out of there and called the cops, not because he feared the knife so much, but because he saw the guy holding it and assessed him to be the wrng person to mess with. The way my teacher describes it is by an expression in spanish(which I don't know) that basically means "The devil in him was bigger than the devil in me", or something like that. So there's one he didn't even fight, because he knew he'd lost it the moment he saw the guy.

Just an interesting story, back to the subject at hand.

You ever see cats face off across the street? They fight the same way.

[SanSoo Student]

My teacher has lost before in a fight, he says that anything can surprise you in a fight and if you pause to think about that one moment, you've already lost.

[Felipe Bido]

Rickson Gracie (No, he's not my teacher)

400-0

[Becca]

Originally posted by Felipe Bido
Rickson Gracie (No, he's not my teacher)

400-0
... But how did he get that good without loosing once in a while? That number only reflects matches in certain turies.

I enjoy those rare chances to the the blackbelts of Pai Lum Colorado go at each other. have never seen any spar with someone outside the system, but once in a while they allow us to watch them. It's awsome! I'd be severly hurt by that kind of intensity, but they brush it off like a dog shaking off water.:cool:

Any who. My point: I have seem my sifu lose very badly. I have also seen him doing the cleaning on the same oponant. It illistraits the point that no ones "always wins" very well.

[LEGEND]

"the Rickson Gracie number I always thought absurd."

NO MMA or BJJ guys really believe in the numbers. Rickson has lost a sambo match and was skooled by his elders( Roll Gracie most notably ). The number is a marketing ploy...Mario Sperry, a Bjj Vale Tudo guy use a similar figure back when he started...300-0 or sumthang. LOL. These guys have skillz but it took numerous ass whippings to develop those skillz. The best of the best in any sport have been skoolz and beaten before that motivated them to be the best. Ali...Michael Jordan...Cung Le...etc...

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

my teacher only tells us about the fights that he's won so he'll feel better about himself.

we all pat him reassuringly afterwards and tell him how great he is.

[FatherDog]

Everyone is born undefeated.

Then the doctor slaps us and we get our first loss by verbal surrender.

[Vash]

Then some of us come back and avenge that loss with a bottle of Old Crow and 9mm.

dude never saw it comin . . .

[quiet man]

In the kwoon, since 1998. (the year I started) - never (and there have been many who wanted to test him). In all honesty, they weren't very good, but then again, he never even broke a sweat.

Prior to that, or outside the kwoon - don't know, don't ask, don't care.