bagua technique clips

[Unmatchable]

This is my favorite:
http://www.blacktaoist.com/BaGuaLegthrow.html

More:
http://www.blacktaoist.com/Bagua%20menu%20applications.html

[Fu-Pow]

The first clip is the bomb.

[No_Know]

The Ba Gua throwing clip blew~ me away.

[Suntzu]

some people need to learn to keep there hands up....

http://www.blacktaoist.com/Beng%20applic.html
:cool:

[truewrestler]

lol @ the first guy going in back first at his opponent in a demonstration, getting swept and doing a backflip and people being impressed

WHOGIVESAFVCKINGSHIOT

[Merryprankster]

Standard footsweep in the first clip. Nice demo though.

I've seen the other clip before and I have to say the fellow is right! The right cross IS a powerful technique!! ;)

[rogue]

I'm missing something, most of those applications look just like ones that I use or ones I've seen used by everyone all the way down to kickboxers and karateka. :confused:

[red5angel]

I'm missing something, most of those applications look just like ones that I use or ones I've seen used by everyone all the way down to kickboxers and karateka.

you and about every other martial artist on the face of the planet. OF course you realize that my style has mastered techniques no other style uses. We of course have to grow a third arm and each of us has 6 fingers....

[Christopher M]

Wrap and throw (http://www.blacktaoist.com/BaGua%20David%20throw.html) is my favorite technique there... works well in a variety of clinches. That's a great page though; one of a small number of good contributions to the neijia on the web. I wish a Cheng style group would do up something like that.

[Unmatchable]

I like this one too:

http://www.blacktaoist.com/David%20yin%20palm&applic.html

[Christopher M]

Waaaaayyyyy too 'Yin style' for my tastes.

[rogue]

I guess everything looks similar in application.

[Christopher M]

I think there's a sense that everything is the same; but there's also a sense that things can be different, but in a way that is only obvious with some experience.

To someone who has no knowledge at all of ground-fighting, most of BJJ doesn't look like anything at all - and certainly doesn't distinguish itself in terms of techniques. But the more that familiarity develops, the more structure becomes apparent and the more the spectator becomes aware of distinguishing factors.

It strikes me that this may be one of the main mechanisms behind the popular belief that "only my style has the special stuff."

[Mr Punch]

So, is that good bagua then?

I appreciate the body mechanics must differ but it looks pretty much like some of the aiki and jujutsu I've done.

And despite the differing mechanics, my aiki teacher always said "50% of aiki is in taking ukemi"... that if you let yourself go with the technique to some extent, whilst trying to keep your balance, you learn a lot about the throw... and the end result of what he was teaching and what I can see from these clips is the same: very little apparent difference in technique and "uke" ending up on his rear end.

[truewrestler]

This one make me laugh... would be even funnier if the guy actually tried to punch him and KOed his arse. I mean there is no head movement or anything.
Originally posted by Christopher M
Wrap and throw (http://www.blacktaoist.com/BaGua%20David%20throw.html) is my favorite technique there... works well in a variety of clinches. That's a great page though; one of a small number of good contributions to the neijia on the web. I wish a Cheng style group would do up something like that.

[truewrestler]

what part of it? The dancing or the ugly coreographed "fight scene"?
Originally posted by Unmatchable
I like this one too:

http://www.blacktaoist.com/David%20yin%20palm&applic.html

[Chang Style Novice]

I thought it was pretty odd the guy just stood there to be thrown as well. I can only assume he was so passive because it was a simple technique demo.

edit - referring to the 'wrap and throw' clip.

[Christopher M]

Originally posted by truewrestler
This one make me laugh... would be even funnier if the guy actually tried to punch him and KOed his arse. I mean there is no head movement or anything.

That's the entry that's wonky, not the throw. You're completely right that his highline is open as he enters, and if he didn't achieve offbalance with the first hand technique, he would probably be clocked. Following that hand technique, I would personally be more comfortable entering with something like a horizontal right elbow to keep that highline covered. The throw itself though is extraordinarily useful.

And yeah, it's just a single technique demo.

[truewrestler]

sorry for being so negative guys... REAL Kung-Fu videos and the reaction from some people just annoy the hell out of me

I'm just going to stop posting on this thread my own sanity :p

[Christopher M]

I thought your first two objections were entirely reasonable... although, yeah, phrased a little on the adversarial side.

[Suntzu]

sorry for being so negative guys... REAL Kung-Fu videos and the reaction from some people just annoy the hell out of me meathead :D

[truewrestler]

ok now you are just being mean because I said I wouldn't post on here :p

[rogue]

I'll cut some slack because they're demos. BT seems to have a good rep and I believe that he's crossed hands with some people here. Could ask them about his skills.

[jun_erh]

those leg sweeps are hard to actually do and easy to choreagraph. getting the head off balance is the key. it can be found in a lot of different systems because you don't need to use strength if you do it right.

[Unmatchable]

check these out:

http://www.blacktaoist.com/Master%20Keng%20G%20Wu.html

http://www.blacktaoist.com/BaGua%20shoulder%20throw.html

http://www.blacktaoist.com/bagua%20kou%20bu&bai%20bu%20techique.html

[Mr Punch]

can anyone actually tell us if it is good bagua?

Preferably someone who's crossed hands with BT, and if not someone else with a good eye for bagua...

[count]

I know Blacktaoist and several of his students. Including the ones in these clips. They have gone to a lot of time and trouble to put together some clips of some bagua applications for demonstration purposes and I give them props and high marks for sharing. I think Blacktaoist has done a lot raise peoples standards and knowledge of bagua, and martial arts in general, and should be respected for it.

Sure, I guess you will find similar applications in other styles and methods. After all, the body only has so many options to deal with. And sure, these are demonstrations, which can be hard to do when someone is really trying to take your head off. But the criticisms here are laughable. All I have to say is let's see what you have to show. My money is on Blacktaoist.