EAGLE CLAW vs PRAYING MANTIS

[blackmantis]

Hello all,

I have recently heard that there is a traditional rivalry between the schools of EAGLE CLAW and PRAYING MANTIS. Is this true?

What are the differences between the style?

How do they interact in battle?

Are there major differences of technique between these two schools?

Any info would be cool!

Thanks

S

[mantisben]

Originally posted by blackmantis
Hello all,

I have recently heard that there is a traditional rivalry between the schools of EAGLE CLAW and PRAYING MANTIS. Is this true?

What are the differences between the style?
...

I think in Northern 7-Star Praying Mantis, it may actually HAVE some Northern Eagle Claw. I could be wrong about this though.

[darksands]

I don't know about any rivalrys.... but I know that the HK 7 star schools has a close relationship with the Lau Fat Mang eagle claw clan. Grandmaster Ho Ying Chun represented both 7 Star and eagle claw back in HK and from the stories I have been told they were of loyalty to Lau Fat Mang. I heard he fought for Lau Fat Mang in his days of his illness to uphold his honor.

[Shen Zhou]

There is even a letter in Sifu Leung Shum's book from Wong Hun Fun himself. Not to mention that Bung Bo is said to have a section of Eagle Claw within it. Both systems are so very close to each other in History, (ie Chin Woo) and style (Claw Hands, kicks, sets, locks, and holds) that it would seem they have a lot to learn from one another. All the Ying Jow Pai people i have met are very kind and open not to mention very talanted martial artist to boot.

Shen Zhou

[darksands]

What people say are true. Eagle Claw and 7*PM relationships are close and we hope to remain close as friends as well as partners in improving our martial arts.

[MantisifuFW]

List Members,

Indeed this welcoming attitude continues among Tanglang and Ying Jow stylists. My students and I have been to Sifu Kenneth Edwards' school in California on several occasions and have touched hands (in a friendly but intense fashion that included takedowns on concrete, lots of bruises and knots), but EVERYONE there was always gracious and enthusiastic. Lung Shum's martial family is a great group of skilled practitioners and I would encourage anyone to visit him. And, if you are interested in a fair and well-run tournament, check his out!

Steve Cottrell

[yu shan]

My Shr Ye, Shr ZhengZhong, has incorporated Eagle Claw. The two seem to compliment each other quite well, from what I`ve seen anyway.

[Shaolinlueb]

eagle claw's 72 catching techniques were created by a general and refined on the battlefield. the system was around before that though im pretty sure. and the 72 catching techniques were incorporated into the system. I personally like eagle claw better than mantis. im not putting mantis down, it is a good system and i like it too.

but it really depends on the fighter.

My sifu is really really good at eagle claw, and he can basically make any point on the body a pressure point. it feels like nails driving into your skin. I have seen him make people throw up form grabbing them so hard. voice pitch doesnt change at all when he does that either. its like :eek:

http://www.nacma.org/index.cfm?ac=sifuli

is a link to my sifu, the site isnt complete yet though.

[ShaolinMantis]

Originally posted by darksands
What people say are true. Eagle Claw and 7*PM relationships are close and we hope to remain close as friends as well as partners in improving our martial arts.

Not too long ago, one of the Lau ( as in Eagle Claw Lau's) sisters visited the Walnut Creek, Tai Chi mantis School and addressed the Sifu as Sihing, because she (they?) had studied under GM Chuk Kai...

[Tamojin]

COLOR=seagreen]I have heard there has been a long association with Eagle Claw and PM. We have to train our hands for using the eagle claw as well as it popping up in forms such as Sup Say Lo.[/COLOR]

[Ironwind]

I thought that the rivalry of the eagle claw was woth the monkey style kung-fu.

But i faught a dude today ( in the most friendly way we could) in monkey style and he climbed all over me. My gung bo was nothing to him but stairs to stomp my head in.

I made an agreement to learn a little of his style enough that i could defend against The moves of monkey kung-fu.

He didn't win though ( but neither did I )
which is why I'm learnin the reversals and dissadvantages of the style and fighter.

[LaterthanNever]

Rivalry? Honestly..none that I have heard of. If anything..I believe that PM and Ying Jow have had much respect for eachother. Some speculate that this is attributable to the fact that many years ago..in the Jing Mo(Ching Wu) school, both styles were taught, and as someone else mentioned above, they have similar philosophies.

The Ying Jow I have observed is very Northern. Both PM and YJ do alot of grabbing and joint locking. The difference is that both styles tend to grab somewhat differently. EC is usually very acrobatic with many flips, somersaults, splits,etc.

The only real "rivalry" I have heard about(it could be nothing more than styles beating their chest) is between Wing Chun and Choy Li Fut for rivalry #1 and Hung Ga and Bak Mei for rivalry #2(after all..if Bak Mei killed your dad(Hung Hei Gung-an early developer of Hung Ga) wouldn't you be angry?):eek:

[TaichiMantis]

Not too long ago, one of the Lau ( as in Eagle Claw Lau's) sisters visited the Walnut Creek, Tai Chi mantis School and addressed the Sifu as Sihing, because she (they?) had studied under GM Chuk Kai...

Yes, I am of the CCK TCPM family also...there must be some crossover there. My sifu's wife has some wicked strong hands and she is a pipsqueak !:D

Also, I showed a dutch friend (eagle claw) some of our mantis kicks and warm ups and he says he was taught the same.

[Codeboy]

--> Tamojin

Which part in Sap Say Lo is Eagle Claw? That was the last form I learned and now I am curious.

[MightyB]

I don't know about Sub Say Lo, as far as I understood that form was created to be an introductory mantis form for Chin Wu students.

Now Goon Le Kune and Jeet Kune are in both Eagle Claw and Mantis- but that's more of a chin wu thing- but ECers have a unique way of interpreting some of the applications in Goon Le Kune that I found to be cool.

[ngokfei]

Our oral history has Lo Kwan Yu and Chan Tzi Ching as being very good friends. So much so that they trained together.

It is said that through this friendship various items were exchanged and then incoporated into their styles. Bong Bo and the Siu Fu Ngan

the styles are very complimentary to each other. I've been lucky to received mantis training from students of Chiu Leun.

[Wong Ying Home]

Eagle Claw and Mantis freindship go way back. Much sharing and exchaning of knowledge between the two

[Steeeve]

I agree with you Wong:)

[Oso]

so...does this mean I need to stop killing all the eagle claw peeples?????

[Shaolinlueb]

so...does this mean I need to stop killing all the eagle claw peeples?????


yes and i should stop killing mantis people?

[Oso]

i dunno...maybe we should duel and each represent...but, wait, i still have a duel scheduled w/ Judge Penn, stave against spear on a garbage barge in the middle of the Little Tennessee river that hasn't gone down yet...i'll have my peeple call your people. :)

[Shaolinlueb]

i dunno...maybe we should duel and each represent...but, wait, i still have a duel scheduled w/ Judge Penn, stave against spear on a garbage barge in the middle of the Little Tennessee river that hasn't gone down yet...i'll have my peeple call your people. :)

garbage barge? what are you getting on the ppv for that? i am sure we can set something up ;)

[Oso]

yea...garbage barge. that's been two years back or more and it still hasn't materialized....so, I think the ranks of Eagle Claw are probably safe from the ravaging nature of Xiong Tang Lang.

[mantid1]

Duel?

I will leave the duels to you bad a$$ Kong foo fighters.....I choose to handle it the way Samuel Clemmons would.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise and I know they are dangerous. Also, sinful. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet retired spot and kill him".

- Autobiography of Mark Twain

[Oso]

Twain is the shiat.

besides, how else to respond to a ridiculous thread but with more ridiculosity?

[yu shan]

Here here Oso.

Mantid, that is deep!

[Steeeve]

Hong Kong Mantis are friend with HK Eagle claw:D


Thats it thats all

Steeve

[TongLongJai]

Was looking at Mantis sites tonight .. Google tm... mostly southern mantis

But saw this and reminded me of this thread

http://www.kwan7star.com/anglais/mante

Bak Tong long and Bak Ying Jau taught Side by Side

hmms any urls for Southern styles of Eagle Claw??

[mantid1]

Thanks for posting the site.

Looks good and I enjoy seeing some of the short two person drills.

It would be nice to sit down and talk with the master on the site.

[Oso]

i dunno...I'm starting to miss my fried eagle wings in jerk sauce...