1st VTAA HK Conference VCD's

[Phil Redmond]

Has anyone seen the TWC empty hand forms, the complete speech made by Sifu William Cheung, plus a demonstration of cross arm chi sau that was edited from the VTAA VCD's?

[Tristan]

No, but I´ve seen a different thing on the other forum:
... click here.... (http://www.vingtsun.com.hk/forum/treplies.asp?message=2244)

Cheers,

T.

[Phil Redmond]

I don't pay any attention to things like that, period. I'm an adult and don't involve myself name calling and such. Some people have the need to get attention. I don't.

[yuanfen]

Phil- I believe that I have seen that VCD once. What did you have in mind?

On the infamous VTAA "s JKD(!) forum... everyone gets their minutes of fame. In the cited link Wong Shon Leung and Ho Kam Ming are mentioned in passing. They need no "defending".

I would urge Phil to ignore the post.

In another post and from time to time Augustine Fong apparently is mentioned in passing. Again... needs no defending.

I never respond in that forum. Its largely ,perhaps not always, a den of anonymous trolls....looking for a response to play with
in an adolescent format where folks dont have to take responsibility for what they say..Apart from anonymuty folks sometimes type in other people names as their own just to stir up conflicts.
The problem is not limited to the VTAA lista but it is most glaring there.

I wish that this list required identification-it could make for more serious conversations on the art-though the net medium itself can cause miscommunications and flareups.

Joy Chaudhuri
Tempe Wing Chun
www.azwingchun.com

[Phil Redmond]

Hi Joy, I agree that's why I never visit there.

I was refering to the demo of three empty hand forms and a cross arms chi sau drill that was done after William Cheung's speech. I have it on a tape some one in attendence made. I never saw that demo on my VDC's

[reneritchie]

What is amusing is how closely some of the troll posts on the former-VTAA board match some of the troll posts here, in direction, content, manner, etc. Rather obvious in some cases.

Anyway, kudos to Phil. I make it a practice here not to respond to the troll posts any more. If everyone did that (regardless of who they felt the trolls were), things would go much more smoothly.

[Phil Redmond]

Oops, I may not deserve your kudos yet. I did reply but I mentioned that I won't reply anymore.

[reneritchie]

Don't waste your time, Phil. It's just a bunch of kids wanking off in between fringe-porn downloads and MMP game sessions, or cult shills who think barfing tough on the 'net will earn them special browny points from their leaders.

Sit back, play some sax, and leave them to their sadness and kool-aid.

[KPM]

Originally posted by Phil Redmond
Hi Joy, I agree that's why I never visit there.

I was refering to the demo of three empty hand forms and a cross arms chi sau drill that was done after William Cheung's speech. I have it on a tape some one in attendence made. I never saw that demo on my VDC's


Its not on my copy of the VCD either.

Keith

[Phil Redmond]

Yeah Keith,
right after William Cheung gives his speech Dana Wong introduces Bruce Corless and two of his students. Bruce does Biu Jee and his students do both SLT and Chum Kiu at the same time. Then right after that Dana announces the cross arms chi sau demo with Bruce and his student. I have a copy of the tape and was suprised that it wasn't on the VCD. I also didn't see when the 1st generation students of Yip Man gathered aroung YM's grave taking pictures and talking about old times. They probably had to make a decision on content because of file space on the VCD. I don't believe in any conspiracy theory....grin.

[Nick Forrer]

FWIW i think the vcd is poorly edited with no real underlying logic to it. In attempting to show a bit of everything they ended up with half of nothing. That said i think if one watches closely enough there are a few gems hidden here and there.

[russellsherry]

hi phll ran into dana wong last week while i was outside haveing a beer at a local pub he is looking well i saw william sifu, yesterdsy in chinatown he looked like he is very fit at the moment peace russellsherry

[Phil Redmond]

Hey Russell,
Running into both of them in a week's time, what a coincidence eh? I knew Dana from Boston and used to write him when he moved to Melbourne. Sifu offered me a position teaching there but I had my 8 kids at the time. It's to bad about the separation between Sifu and Dana.

[Phil Redmond]

Hi Keith,
Look for it on the list soon ;)

[David Peterson]

There was clearly some very selective editing done for the VCD. Rumour has it that in the "original" cut, my speech to the Conference was completely intact, but when certain "elderly" members of the group took over the production, much was re-edited and removed, including all reference to my contribution to proceedings. Funny about that...:(

[russellsherry]

hi phil yes it is a shame when things, happen to people like, that , but life goes on , also phil dana has been a good friend of mine, for about six years my close friend victor p is a top student of his peace russellsherry

[kj]

David,

My memory may be failing me, but I seem to recall seeing or hearing of a transcript or summary of your conference speech. If available, I would urge you to share a link to it. I think it would be both valuable and interesting to some readers. I, for one, would enjoy reviewing it.

Phil, I am less familiar with the content of Cheung Sifu's speech, but perhaps you will consider to pursue likewise. Just because it wasn't included on the final CD doesn't mean he cannot share the content of his presentation if he wishes to (unless he made an agreement otherwise, of course).

Regards,
- Kathy Jo

[David Peterson]

Hi Kathy Jo,

You can find the text of my speech from the Conference at: www.wingchunkuen.com/why/columns/peterson/index.html
and then follow the links to the article "Returning to the Basics"

Regards,
DMP

[Phil Redmond]

Hi KJ,
I have no way of hosting Sifu Cheung's speech online but I can email it to you. I used very high technology and video taped his speech from my TV screen;) It's a small file and easy to email. I just timed the speech they showed on the VCD and it was 1 minute and 9 seconds but his real speech was 4 minutes and 31 seconds. I'll email it to anyone else interested. Just send me a mailing address

[kj]

David, thanks for the link and opportunity to read your great speech again. Too bad it didn't make the cut.

(FWIW, I echo the sentiment that there is more value in those words than some uncut material. Whatcha gonna do.)

Phil, thanks very much to you also for the offer, and I will look forward to it. I already sent you my email address.

Regards,
- kj

[John Weiland]

Originally posted by David Peterson
Hi Kathy Jo,

You can find the text of my speech from the Conference at: www.wingchunkuen.com/why/columns/peterson/index.html
and then follow the links to the article "Returning to the Basics"

Regards,
DMP
Hi David,

Thank you. I enjoyed re-reading your excellent piece.

To anyone who hasn't read it, it is a must.

In fact, all of David's articles are very good, and IMO, some of the best English writing on Wing Chun in existence.

All the best,

[kj]

It was a especially a treat to see Cheung Sifu performing his third set, as I had never seen the TWC Biu Tse before. Not surprisingly, it is quite different compared with how we practice (both in arrangement and energy), yet familiar landmarks are evident. Thank you so much for sharing and the opportunity to see it.

Regards,
- Kathy Jo

[planetwc]

Hey Phil,

I'm interested in the William Cheung TWC/clips.
I tried pm'ing you but your KFO mailbox is full.

Thanks!

[PaulH]

I think David Peterson made a mistake on that conference. He should have read "On Personal Protection" instead. People like new stuffs and that is very interesting! I make sure all my friends who work in security guard business have a copy of this.

Regards,
PH

[Phil Redmond]

You're welcome KJ,
Did you get all three of them? The one with the speech is larger than I thought, it's 8mb. I got a few of the emails I sent to yahoo accounts returned because of the file sizes. You should note that the Biu Jee form was exaggerated for the demo. You can see some TWC forms including Biu Jee at; http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/empty.asp
If anyone's account can hold an 8mb file simply email your address to; sifu@wingchunkwoon.com

[kj]

Originally posted by Phil Redmond
Did you get all three of them?

Hi Phil,

Yes, I did receive them all, the last one today. It was a good speech. Thanks again.

FWIW, a guy on another mailing list recently mentioned about having virtually unlimited space for hosting Wing Chun videos, and apparently initiative to match the task. I will ping him in case he may be willing to make a similar offer here.

Regards,
- kj

[redtornado]

Phil, I just looked at thisforum that has the ??? And I am waiting for the Seminar inToronto...Jeff