Eat Your Greens

[kwaichang kaned]

I was lent a book a couple of days ago. called " a scientific approach to wrestling" by Shozo Sashara.

A the title suggests it's a book listing some of the training methods used by Freestyle wrestlers in the 60's

One thing that did interest me apart form the suggestive photo's of men rolling around in leotards,
was a paragraph on diet.

Mr Sasahara suggests the what you eat has a effect on your power and endurance

For example,In the book he says that people who eat a high meat diet have greater explosive power and strength but lack endurance whilst vegetarian don't have AS MUCH expolsive power but greater endurance and stamina.

I appreciate that this book was written in the 60's and thinking regarding diet may have changed.As i am a devoted and voracious carnivore i can't see myself putting this theory to the test.

Has any body had any experiance? that is to say have you changed your diet in such a way that it has affected your training or performance adversely?Or has it improved? I don't mean protien shakes and anything of that ilk but a change in diet mabey from a meat eater to vegetarian or the other way round.

[Spark]

Originally posted by kwaichang kaned
whilst vegetarian don't have AS MUCH expolsive power but greater endurance and stamina.


This is true - or so i've been told by the ladies
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[stimulant]

Vegitarians do tend to have more endurance and stamina. As as meat eaters being more explosive....this is not so clear.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by stimulant
Vegitarians do tend to have more endurance and stamina. As as meat eaters being more explosive....this is not so clear. When I eat red meat, I am very explosive. :D

[kwaichang kaned]

IBS?

My sympathies

[stimulant]

I've been vegi from birth, and despite my small frame (5'6" - 150lbs) I'm probably the most powerful in upper body in our schools, although not the strongest.

Meat does have power advantages for building muscle (proteins, creatin, etc)...but it also clogs the digestive system as it takes longer to go through the body.

Traditionally shoalin monks were (and still still should be....) vegi.

[kwaichang kaned]

You seem to know a little about this

Now i know that soya and some pulses provide a reasonable amount of protein for vegetarians but is it a suitable substitute for meat or any animal products?

Does a vegan heal as quickly as someone who eats meat /cheese etc? (perhaps a stupid question but i'll like an answer)
I was always lead to believe(rightly or wrongly) that animal products provided a more ready and larger amount of protein than an eqivalent portion of pulse or veggies.

[stimulant]

I know a bit beinbg vegi since birth.....I'm not biased about it either so I'll answer to the best of my knowledge....if I'm wrong about anything then please someone correct me!

Yup protein is more avaliable form meat for building muscles etc....but it is also second hand (been extracted from plant life and been turned into protein by the animal already). Secondly...nutirents / vitimins are more readily absorbed by the body when they are from plant sources as opposed to meat sources. Seaseme seeds are better than milk for calcium as your body processes it better than calcium from milk.

Vegans can be healthy, but it is more difficult without eggs and dariy products in the diet. Interestingly though, people who dont eat dairy products get very little flem build up!

You dont need meat for your proteins, but it is a short cut.

As for healing quickly, diet (I believe) have a great deal to play. Vegans / vegi's (with healthy balanced diets in theory) should heal faster than meat eaters as proteins are more quickly absorbed form plant matter. BUT...not many people, including vegi's / vegans have particuarly balanced diets!

Lastly....the one piece of dietry advice that is always given is '...eat at least 5 portions of fruit and veg per day', NOT eat 5 portions of meat!!


But ultimatly a lot of it is down to genetics and how your body responds.

I'm very powerful for small guy, but its more down to genetics and training than diet.

hope this is of some help.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by kwaichang kaned
IBS?

My sympathies Spastic colon. Red meat irritates it.

[Ray Pina]

I was a veggie for three years when living with a vegan ex-girlfriend. I was actually heavier and flabbier. After going back to meat I instantly felt a burst or energy.

Recently, I've stopped eating fast food (maybe one Taco Bell run a week) and I've felt an additional surge. This only makes sense. Your food is your fuel.

I believe balance is the best is most things. I want to move towards a diet heavy it veggies, fruit and nuts (snacking during the day) with a nice fish at night and occasionally a steak.

Drink wise: When I stopped drinking booze I developed a think for Soda ... it goes well with kind bud but makes you flabby and screws your blood sugar level.

Now it's all water and fruit juice and for those romantic dinners a glass of wine or two. Besides a friend coming over with a packed bawl one or twice, I haven't had any bud for two months. I feel much better.

Last of all. I need to control the labido a bit. I refrained for 2.5 weeks before my last fight and felt very strong.

I don't think it's the sex that's bad. It's the masturbation. Control, control, control.

Picking up my training lately has made me very much aware of my body.

[kwaichang kaned]

Thanks Stim !
Cleared a couple of things up for me. Basically advantages and disadvantages to both dietry choices right?

Now ,this balanced diet thing.A bacon sarnie in one hand and the equivalent weight of tea in the other .Is that the sort of balance i should be aiming for?
;)

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by EvolutionFist
Drink wise: When I stopped drinking booze I developed a think for Soda ... it goes well with kind bud but makes you flabby and screws your blood sugar level.

Now it's all water and fruit juice and for those romantic dinners a glass of wine or two. Isn't fruit juice just as sugary as some soda? I stick to gatorade and water, mostly, but I don't know if that's any better than soda.

I quit drinking soda completely for 1 year and felt great. Then, I started getting a Dr. Pepper before work. Now, I get headaches and feel sluggish without it. I fear the caffeeine more than the sugar.

[kwaichang kaned]

Cheers!
This is the sort of thing im after .Whilst Stim's info was very useful he hass been a veggie since the year dot.

So you noticed a change when you went back to meat? interesting.

Think stim hit the nail with the balance thing.It's not so much the diet rather than what you eat is reasonably healthy.

Giving up Soda and Masturbation???????

One or the other mate!

Pass the fruit juice

[red5angel]

Basically advantages and disadvantages to both dietry choices right?

yep. I'd choose a balnced diet over any sort of "extreme" diet anytime, atkins, vegan, whatever. Foods in certain combinations can do a lot for you, just use common sense.

speaking of caffeine masterkiller, this may be unrelated, or coincedental, but I had to get off caffeine pretty much permanently for medical reasons. It's been about 2 months now and my mind seems more clear and I feel more alert in the mornings and throughout the day!

[stimulant]

Fruit juice can indeed by full of sugar....but its the type of sugar that counts. unrefined sugar is far better than refined.

[Indestructible]

The Mongol Hordes ate nothing but MEAT, and they conquered the WHOLE WORLD.

(ok, not the whole world but quite a bit anyways)

Da-mn you vegans and your lies! Da-mn you!

[stimulant]

but where are they today? no more mongal raiders, but still vegi's

[kwaichang kaned]

Stim

You mean to tell me that the secret to a long life ,good health and world domination is to maintain your
VEGI NITY?

(see what i did there? eh! eh!)

[stimulant]

nope....

well for the good health and long life it could help, but genetics plays a bigger role.....for world domination you need to be part of the alumini, free masons, the cabal, royal family, and into oil......!

[Mr Punch]

I'm basically with stimulant, in a very unscientific way! I was veggie for five years (14-19) then vegan for nine, then basically changed to lacto-ovo plus large quantities of fish (due to living in Japan).

Was never healthier than when I was a vegan, but eating a balanced diet (I ran a veggie/vegan restaurant for a while!) had a lot to do with it.

Was always skinny, and always ate a hell of a lot, from before I was veggie... just have a very quick metabolism. Have only started putting on weight (ALL muscle!) since I started eating fish in a big way about a year and a half ago (about 8 kgs).

Basically, you have to eat a balanced diet, but remember,

everybody looks different,
everybody's fingerprints are different,
there's no reason to suppose that everybody isn't as different in their digestive systems either.

I've met veggies who should have been dead they looked so sick, and god knows enough obese meat eating wasters... takes all sorts.

[Mr Punch]

BTW the prob with soda is the phosphoric acid content which rots your teeth, your bones, disrupts your absorption of every vital nutrient, especially vitamins and minerals, disrupts your blood sugar balance, and may disrupt your hormones. Oh yeah and your prostate.

The sugar content isn't much of a worry after that.

:D

[Vash]

Originally posted by Mat
enough obese meat eating wasters... takes all sorts.

Whacha trying to say?

[Ray Pina]

**** soda! I love it so much but when you really look at it -- all fizzly and what not -- you know it can't be good for you.

Funny, after a few weeks off I don't miss it at all. For me, as with most things, it's just a matter of reprogramming myself. I'm currently running on "healthy" mode now.

[norther practitioner]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
Isn't fruit juice just as sugary as some soda? I stick to gatorade and water, mostly, but I don't know if that's any better than soda.

I quit drinking soda completely for 1 year and felt great. Then, I started getting a Dr. Pepper before work. Now, I get headaches and feel sluggish without it. I fear the caffeeine more than the sugar.

Caffine headache.. you're body depends on it, try switching to tea.


Fruit juice could be as bad as some soda's but generally not. Stick to real juice...

[mickey]

Greetings,

I was a vegetarian for a short period of time due to a back injury. I discovered that while my mind is conditioned by this society to eat meat, my body naturally responds to vegetables. I experienced a stronger sex drive, incredible erections, shining skin and sparkling eyes. I also slept better and had good bowel movements. For a while, the only word that would describe the way that I looked was "eternal." My endurance was incredible. The drawback was the reduced body mass. People were throwing me around. I was that light.

mickey

[stimulant]

maybe because I've beena vegi since birth that I've never had any probs with mass, weight or putting on muslce....but again probably far more genetic than that.

About 3 years ago a guy came to our Mizong Quan class who did Lau Gar. This was back towards the end of my weight training days. Anyway, he was talking to one of the guys saying that as a vegi its impossible for him to put on muscle, to which my 'younger brother' replied "are you having a F**king laugh, look at him, his been vegi since birth...."! This Lau Gar guy's jaw just hit the floor and asked me what my secret was. So I told him....eat and train, simple!

I'm only 5'6", and back then was about 170lbs and could bench 270lbs for 1 rep. These days i'm about 150lbs and have no idea how much I could bench (but I'd guess about 160lbs). Although being no way near as strong or as heavy as i was before, I'm far more powerful.

I'm always found putting on weight via weights easy.

[GeneChing]

...but in all honesty, I don't have the will power. I've been veggie for several months at a time and generally lean towards veg options, but eventually I'm tempted back by some savory meat and fall off the wagon. So I wouldn't say I'm veg by any means (I've known so many fashion vegs - people who claim to be veg, but then still eat meat occasionally - I would never make such a claim - I'm an omnivore.)

Do those veggie periods make me feel stronger? Well, not really, but they do make me more regular and that is a definate bonus where health is concerned. I've also noticed that I'm more sensitive when eating less meat - a better listener in a "push hands" way. But to be honest, there's a lot of things I should give up for a more wholesome life that stand before meat, and I just don't have that kind of dedication at this time.

[Toby]

Originally posted by stimulant
Although being no way near as strong or as heavy as i was before, I'm far more powerful.
You've said this twice now. Curious as to what you mean?

[stimulant]

I mean I can hit harder!!

more relaxed, shoulders / chest less tight, more follow through, more speed........

but thats more to do with training Tan Tui. giving up the wieghts only helped to losen up the joints.

:)

my kicks are ok, but hip joints quite tight...they are getting loser now i've adopted a new stretching routine which concentrates on lower back and spine more than legs....amazing how well it works actually.....all my kicks have improved in a short space of time.

:)

[Indestructible]

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