Combat Lesson

[taltos]

I know may of us had been in our share of fights before our WC training, and I know the best way to win a fight is not to be in one, but...

For those of us who trained WC for a while before getting into it with someone (either as a first time ever or the first time in a while)...

What lesson did a "real, no-kidding" fight teach you about your training and/or system?

For me, the lesson was to not stay glued to the ground. Move, flank, penetrate, brace, etc. - these things would have done me a great deal of service if I had not "froze in place," so to speak. Since then, I've always tried to keep my body "alive" as well as "rooted," if that makes sense.

Thanks in advance for the discussion.

-Levi

[Ernie]

levi
nice honest post , i like when people just tell it from there own experience .

the most recent thing to happen to me was a attempted car jacking by to guys about 2 years ago .
it must be time to turn in my ghetto pass since i was set up clean .
one person dressd in a business suit step up to me while i was sifting through the trunk of my car for some work stuff . i didn't even realize how close he got tome [ mistake number 1 ]
as he was running off some nonsense i caught him looking past me kind of figity
low and behold some other cat was rushing up with one of those mini bats prep'n to serve me a louiville slugger sandwich .
now this is the one thing that made a difference [ i was aware ]
i picked up on the first guy , which made me aware of the second guy .

no great fight sory here i rushed at the guy with the bat but felt like i was moving in cement . i just started yelling and cuss'n getting as gheto as i could . the dude visially crumbled and turned and ran .
i turned to look for the first dude and he was ghost .

things i learned ,
it's when you are least prepared that it will come

be aware , no matter how good your style is or how much of a dojo bad a ss you are , if your not aware it wont make a diff .

when your emotions hit your body doesn't fire the same

and sometimes luck is just on your side .
:D

but i do agree with nothing is better then live mobile footwork were you can control the didtance and buy yourself time

[taltos]

Originally posted by Ernie
be aware , no matter how good your style is or how much of a dojo bad a ss you are , if your not aware it wont make a diff .


EXCELLENT point. Without awareness, everything else is virtually useless.

-Levi

[PaulH]

Well, Ernie is just plain coy. My favorite one is when he just grabbed the shirt of a mad charging bull while talking at the same time on the cellphone and slammed the man into the van?'s door. The man suddenly changed into a nice kitten; jumped nimbly into the van and drove away. The lesson? Learn to throw. Not all fights are ended with fists.

Regards,
PH

[Ernie]

**** paul i forgot about that dude ha ha ha
keep my dirty laundry in house bro . i am a very peacful person:)

[Gangsterfist]

My most recent encounter was last week. I love to play pool, and have a beer or two while doing so. I don't really drink to get drunk much anymore I just wanted to enjoy a saturday night with a few buddies. The first time I tried to play pool this drunk guy tried to cut in front of me. There is a chalk board you must write your name on when it is your turn to play you cross your name off. My name was next and this guy insisted on getting in my face about how it was his turn. Even though his name was clearly under mine and he even pointed it out to me. However, being a drunken idiot he had no logic and wanted his way. He was bigger than me by about 4 inches and about 70lbs or so. So at first he found me not threatening and tried using his size against me. I simply told him that the rules are the person whose name is next, is next. He stood there waiting for me to yell at him. I then calmy but sternly said, either get out of my way and let me play my game or do something. He did nothing and backed off.

Nothing too exciting sorry, but I did not let his psychology effect my morale.

The last real fight I got into 3 guys sucker punched a friend of mine in front of us at a party a few years ago. Needless to say those 3 guys had to be carried out to their car by the 4th guy who ran off. There was like 5 or 6 of us that watched these 3 guys try to jump my friend.

The lessons I have learned is do not be affraid to hurt them, they are in fact trying to hurt you. Don't hold back. For a long time I would never rush in but played defensively. Now I try to end the fight within seconds if possible.

[side note]I guess that first example can be thought of the art of fighting with out fighting[/side note]

[PaulH]

I find it paradoxical that quite a few calm and peaceful people often have an unsavory violent past that they like to forget about. One of my Japanese friends asks his father what is it like WWII and to this day his quiet and well-mannered father still refuses to speak on the subject. The life-long burden and regret that a fighter or combatant must bear from the aftermath of his "glory" days can be too painful and too costly in our private civilian life. For me, the combat lesson is like that of Hamlet: "Be all my sins remembered."

Regards,
PH

[Gangsterfist]

Too true paul. I have met a few WWII vets, and some of my family are veterens themselves. War is a horrbile thing that one might have to experience. I feel sorrow and compassion for those who have had the misfortune of being forced to kill someone to survive. However, it is in our nature as being human. Look at our known history, war is a huge part of it.

Also, strangely enough the roman empire had 2 centuries of peace, no other empire (country) has done that to my knowledge. If its not war with another nation, its civil war against its own people.

So, can we truly learn from our pasts, or are we just always destined to repeat history?

[PaulH]

I'm pretty sure that till the day I die, war and its weapons of war will be upon us whether we are peaceful or not. It's best to be prepared for the dark days ahead...that war may come to a quick end and that man learns to fight no more.

Regards,
PH

[kungfu cowboy]

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[Gangsterfist]

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[kungfu cowboy]

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