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[brassmonkey]

sparring, discuss

[scotty1]

Discuss yourself.

[Repulsive Monkey]

Nice counter strike there Scotty1, I like your sparring technique.
Oh I love the irony!

[scotty1]

I thank you.

[David Jamieson]

sparring is progressive and teaches the truths of ones abilities or lack of them.

sparring shows in the brightest light where your weakness and strengths are.

approach is progressive and as a learning tool and there is a lot to be gained from it.

take an agressive approach and hammer away at it and it will take longer to understand your own nature as a fighter.

carry on.
cheers

[Liokault]

Originally posted by Kung Lek
sparring is progressive and teaches the truths of ones abilities or lack of them.

sparring shows in the brightest light where your weakness and strengths are.

approach is progressive and as a learning tool and there is a lot to be gained from it.

take an agressive approach and hammer away at it and it will take longer to understand your own nature as a fighter.

carry on.
cheers


But sparring is also equally a tool used to prove and reinforce myths and fallacies with in a style, to keep the blind not only blind, but happy that they are blind......I point you towards TKD for example.

[David Jamieson]

I haven't done tkd in years, but the sparring we did do was in a sportive modality, ergo, for sport, not for real, for points, not for true confrontation.

anyway, if your approach is to do it "for real", then it should still be a progressive understanding approach imo.

cheers

[Shaolinlueb]

the secret it. green tea.

and the peaches form the garden of heaven that will make you immortal. ;)

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by Liokault
But sparring is also equally a tool used to prove and reinforce myths and fallacies with in a style, to keep the blind not only blind, but happy that they are blind......I point you towards TKD for example.

That's why you should never be adverse to sparring outside of your class and your style.

[Kristoffer]

just fight

[Liokault]

Originally posted by Kung Lek

anyway, if your approach is to do it "for real", then it should still be a progressive understanding approach imo.

cheers

But how do you do a training exercize for "real"? All sparring is real sparring!



Originally posted by Judge Pen
That's why you should never be adverse to sparring outside of your class and your style.

Indeed but how many people really do this? Not many! But most are very pleased when they get a new guy from a differant style, that they can impose there rules on and make look stoopid. The TKD class again, would love to sparr a boxer, having told him that he is not alowed to clinch or hit to the head with punches full power......LOL (says a TKD dweeb) I thought boxers were tough.....he had no answer to my head high typhoon 360 degree spinning kick.

Same thing of though would happen if the TKD guy walked into a boxing gym.


Originally posted by
Kristoffer
just fight

Indeed.....but is that sparring?

[SifuAbel]

It is sad that sparring has somehow become some separate animal that doesn't belong in some peoples kung fu barn.

As far as seeing what "works", I agree that it does show you the best of YOUR skill. But, the mentality that your style is full of fluff automatically breeds complacency in technique. Sometimes a perfectly good technique is overlooked simply because the student can't seem to feel for the application.

Also, when people talk about this subject and include the "what works" mentality, it would be nice to get an example or two from their style instead of blanket statements.

I don't pull techniques out of forms, I learn SKILLS from my forms.

[norther practitioner]

just fight


I tried that last night, and all I ended up with was a bloody lip and a sore left pinky (which means I actually landed a good jab)... stupid ass had to hit me from behind though :D ...

Man, I hate when my old friends come to town, all the old drama ends up surfacing, when we weren't even looking for anything.

Oh well

Sparring, I haven't been doing enough of it lately, but I'd agree, it is an ancient secret that some do enough, but most not (including myself the last few months)...

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by Liokault
Indeed but how many people really do this? Not many! But most are very pleased when they get a new guy from a differant style, that they can impose there rules on and make look stoopid. The TKD class again, would love to sparr a boxer, having told him that he is not alowed to clinch or hit to the head with punches full power......LOL (says a TKD dweeb) I thought boxers were tough.....he had no answer to my head high typhoon 360 degree spinning kick.

Same thing of though would happen if the TKD guy walked into a boxing gym.


You should always let the person play by their rules as they should you. My style includes lots of sweeps and low kicks. The last TKD person I sparred let me play my game, then we would spar with their rules. No doubt he had an advantage when it was limited to head kicks, but I think he learned a lot when we didn't limit the techniques to his rules.

[Liokault]

Originally posted by Judge Pen


You should always let the person play by their rules as they should you. My style includes lots of sweeps and low kicks. The last TKD person I sparred let me play my game, then we would spar with their rules. No doubt he had an advantage when it was limited to head kicks, but I think he learned a lot when we didn't limit the techniques to his rules.

But if a BJJ guy came in and wanted to sparr what would you get out of it? You may learn somthing from the 1% of the sparrimng session where hs taking you down but you would learn very little frpom the 99% where your his ***** on the floor.

If a boxer came in would you agree to sparr with him boxing rules?

[SifuAbel]

"if" is the middle word in "life".

[Tiger_Yin]

SifuAbel "if" is the middle word in "life".

woah haha tht was deep.. anyways

sparring as done nowadays that ive seen only helps develope bad habits and slow timing.. lets face it the only way you will get to see what works for good is to find a buddy, put the cards down and say no hard feelings about it.. and go for broke. Hurtfull and not too safe but try to keep it to basics. Orrrr.. pick a fight in a bar :D other then that its all pretend and make belief

Peace

[SifuAbel]

I'm glad it helped.