oohhh noooo sites up

[Ernie]

allright first rough draft of the website is up and 2 video clips for you guys to have a good laugh at :) http://wingchuncoach.com/ enjoy and tell me if i did it right i'm still learning how to do all this website stuff

[PaulH]

Ernie,

How did you manage to have these fantastic clips of young Emin in action? Ha! Ha!

Regards,
PH

[Ernie]

it's all in the nose ;)
get real emin would put me to sleep quick fast ha ha
but i'll take any compliment :D

[planetwc]

Hey Ernie,

Props on the first cut of your website. Great job!!

But you don't say how much it costs to have you come to my house and train me! :D

Keep up the good work.

regards,

[Ernie]

how much you got :D
just kidding ,
if people want to know they can contact me on the side . i really dont have a ton of time so i will only work with 2 or 3 sessions a week tops .
not trying to make a living at it just following were the road leads :D
thanks for checking it out did you have any trouble with the video clips

[lawrenceofidaho]

Ernie,

I like the video clips you posted. -The black and white is a nice touch, and I especially liked the music on the "freestyle" clip. :cool:

Great content on every page....... -Lawrence

[Ernie]

Lawrence
thank you i just wanted them to be fun to look at i'll get into lecture/technique type stuff down the line . but didn't want to put any one to sleep yet :D
music well i'm an old school b-boy so i thought i should have some flavor on it ;)

[William E]

The site looks great and I'm sure it will only get better. The video is a nice touch and I look forward to some new clips in the future.

William E.

[Ernie]

william
stay tuned working on my next batch of video's allready:D
if there are any request , what people would like to see fire away

[yylee]

Originally posted by PaulH
Ernie,

How did you manage to have these fantastic clips of young Emin in action? Ha! Ha!

Regards,
PH

What? Emin? I thought that was the young Bruce Willis!

http://rooftop.ho8.com/images/scan0005.jpg

o.k. I'm being sarcastic :D

[Ernie]

What? Emin? I thought that was the young Bruce Willis!

oh no that means i will be going bald and breaking up with demi moore :D

[Gangsterfist]

Sweet, good job man. It looks nice. You use dreamweaver? Now perhaps we can post a video of how you should taan sao a back fist, which I still think is very very hard to taan sao a back fist.

[Ernie]

i used a program called web page maker to cut and paste the rough draft , now [ since my friend gave me a lesson on dreamweaver and told me how much my site sucked :) ] i'm starting to clean up the site with dream weaver .

what tan sau back fist thing are you talking about ? since i rarely talk technique or form , was it a conversation with some one else ?

if you have a clip i can host it for you no big deal :D

[Gangsterfist]

Victor claims you can taan sao a back fist, and I say you cannot.

Back fists are like whips, whipping out and immediately cracking back (like a really fast jab). The elbow is dropped and pulled back right after contact. A taan sao to stop it seems silly and too slow. If you don't whip the backfist back fast, then its not a backfist.

Ever watch a shaolin monk crack a whip? They will whip it and it will crack multiple times at the end of the whip before the monk whips it back. A back fist can do simliar things and change direction when being whipped at someone. Angle stepping and taan saoing an incoming backfist seems like a very hard answer to the back fist.

However, if you can pull it off, you can pull it off I guess.

[Ernie]

oh
sounds like you and victor need to film a few clips :D

but really your talking chasing hands and speed

speed is a killer and if your just plain faster it could be a backfist an eye jab an elbow , knee to the balls what ever

i have eaten a steady diet of jabs and backfist to the nose from boxer and jkd guys that are just plain fast , they develop the attributes to be that quick

on the same note you can develop the defense to be just as quick

not so much a technique thing more of a higher attribute thing
i have a kick boxer friend of mine that can work a speed back with his kick , and can intercept a jab spinning kick he is just freakiskly fast and has good timing

he is using a impossible technique on paper but do to his skill he makes it work go figure

[Gangsterfist]

Yeah, I just want to see how its applied. My backfist is something I train a lot. I like it, and mine is pretty fast and when I make contact (like someone tries to block it with their arm) I immediately whip it back or change directions and crack it another way.

Its not chasing limbs per se, its receiveing whats coming in and escorting it on its way out. Victor has more experience than me so perhaps he can really pull it off, but you would have to be really really fast to do that.

Its like trying to pak sao a really fast jabber and you just wiff the air.

I would love to see a video clip. I have some video clips of my class but sifu kind of wants to keep it with class mates and no one else. Sifu recently closed his doors and is no longer taking any new students so I may not have anything to contribute to the website, however if I ever do get anything good I will definately let you know.

[Ernie]

no worries

chasing hands would be the attempt to block the backfist instead of just blasting the man , that's waht i was getting at ,

with gary we don't retract anything , it just becomes a new connection point [ eating space ] i have to watch my clips again to see if i pull anything back '' since the playful boxer in me comes out once in a while ''
in fact those clips i shot the night before as refernce material for more '' professional '' looking stuff

but after i watched them it looked like i was having fun and that is more honest to who i am so i just went with them

as paking a jab well that is the next line of clips i will be putting together ,
trying to get some of the pro level boxers i know to let me film a work out .

or at least a demo

[Ultimatewingchun]

Gangster:

My computer skills are not very good (yet)...perhaps I'll be able to post some video of that tan vs. backfist thing later on down the road.

In the meantime...I may have confused you with an inaccurate post on a previous thread. The correct way is like this:

When in a cross-arm position (ie.- my left hand lead vs. his left hand lead)...the tan comes from my lead hand - but simultaneously my extended right hand pak (it's really "gum" sao -looks like pak but with more of a forward pinning energy)...is right by his elbow - while the tan is just slightly to the left of my pak (gum) - on his forearm...

And when in a parallel arm position (ie.- my left hand lead vs. his right hand lead)...the tan comes from my rear hand (my right) while my left lead becomes the pak (gum)...

BUT....THE CENTERLINE FACING AND THE FOOTWORK THAT ACCOMPANIES ALL OF THIS...And the immediate followup transitions to counter attack...are the KEYS to the whole move.

But they really need to be seen on a video to be understood. I don't think I can convey this to you in a convincing manner without you actually seeing it done.

That's all I can say about this for now.

[AndrewS]

Ernie,

*sweet* site, man. You look great on the clips, nice and crisp.

My b*tch would be that you're doing more of the same- combis out of poon sao. That's useful for showing off to the WC crowd, who buy into the cult of chi sao, but doesn't say a lot to the person catching the thing from an outside perspective.

Some suggestions-

some type of clip which physically explains *why* we do that dumb-*ss rolling stuff.

the bridging stuff, which you're planning on doing.

some standing scenario escapes off a wall or tight space showing some infighting stuff. This could look really good with a multiple attackers sparring thing. Maybe do it live a couple of times, shooting from overhead once (like we could use the parking lot in the apartments next to my house maybe)

at least one power demo going for distance on the victim- it's more of the same, but it's kinda obligatory, isn't it?

Some thoughts,

Andrew

P.S. Got your message. If the natives get too restless, I need some practice knocking people out anyway.

[Ernie]

big drew
good lookin out family:)

yep i agree as for the break down you know i got tricks up my sleeve but i'll put some
ill stuff together with rob and the rest of freaks i hang out with , you being freakiest of them all :D

i plan on showing some of the more ballistic stuff when i get into the attribute development part of the site , h,k,e, biting just raw dirty fun filled tactics .

but out of respect for the way gary has passed things to me , i'll keep things seprate to a degree .

but since gary does work closing to the clinch and take downs it will be a natural segway to head butt knees elbows and some ground stuff [ your more then welcome to come step on my head ]

i want to get the group together for multiple attack and weapons stuff but that will come in a few weeks .

i have to get my own practice back in and tighten up a bit :D

the cool thing is i plan on working with cats alot better then me , to show the progression that comes from working out with '' out of the box '' people that can stomp you .

most dudes try to get all ego , like they have to look the bomb in everything , i promise you will see me getting wrecked ha ha ha

thanks for your input friends will allways kick you in the balls when you need it:D

[Ernie]

had a few scapes left so i popped in a bonus clip , for your musical enjoyment :D

[Ultimatewingchun]

Ernie:

Was only able to download the chi sao and the poon sao clip - but not the "knock him off balance" clip. I don't know man...but my computer skills 5uck...

Anyway, got to agree with AndrewS - You look good...

But showing how to use those chi/poon sao skills from a fighting application (ie. - the other guy throws a boxing type punch from a distance and you react...or you attack from a distance and he reacts like a boxer or a kick-boxer)...and then you react back with wing chun...

That would appeal to more than just the wing chun choir.

You know what it is...the footwork needed to close and adjust to the opponent is such a huge KEY to the whole wing chun fight (and any fight (style) for that matter)...

But if we as wing chun fighters don't show the LONGER RANGE FOOTWORK...and only show the fighting techniques from close range where there's no real distancing and footwork going on OTHER THAN BASIC RELATIVELY FLAT-FOOTED FORWARD ENERGY MOVEMENT WITH STRIKES (accompanied by lop, pak, po-pai, etc.) -

because the opponent is playing OUR in-fight game instead of reacting like a stylist who uses longer range striking/kicking and longer range distancing with his footwork (which is about 90% of what's out there other than wing chun)...

If we don't include these things in our demo videos (for example)...then the folks other than the wing chun choir get (understandably) sceptical.

Later,

[Ernie]

victor
i'm 100 % on the same page , my original goal was to not even show any [[ chi sau stuff ]] but the guy that i'm playing with in the video is one of the german live in students that come down to gary's to spend a few months and learn , he wanted to get some video to take back home , and after i took a look at it i figured hey why not =)
my plan is to work of the jab first in and break down the 3 timings begining middle and end of the action , then work of sealing the rear hand / power side of the body

i don't know if i should get into broken rythem / elevation changes and fakes . that might be a bit over the head of the regular ''wing chun'' mindset

i do want to flow into clinch and take down and if i get real generous entry off pain infliction ,

some of the people around me have told me not to '' give away '' to much . but i'm an open book just cause you see it doesn't meen you have the attributes to pull it off

which leads to your reality about foot work , i'm sure once i get on my toes and really move the tradtional mind set red flags will come up every where ha ha like i care =)

we will see how much time i want to put into this little project , i tend to get bored fast . but for sure the jab stuff and some interception :D

maybe some of the hardliners can show there interpetations of the same idea if there willing to work of skilled cats that can really fire some boxing hands but i won't hold my breath

thanks for your input i welcome honest critisizem and oppinion

[Ultimatewingchun]

Ernie:

Don't worry about the hardliners; and IMO, don't worry about showing too much either...We live in a whole different world now, Ernie...as regards allowing "outsiders" to see our "good stuff" - thanks to the UFC, PRIDE, and other such events...

Just think about how much really good Jiu-Jitsu and Thai-boxing is now totally out in the open - to name just but two arts. My own personal interest in Catch-as-Catch-Can wrestling is another example...the "lost art of hooking" - Catch's most effective and brutal submissions (hooks)...has only become available with the emergence of Karl Gotch's techniques (via Matt Furey - who spent one year with Gotch 1999-2000) and Tony Cecchine (who no one ever even heard of until recent years - although his hooking experience goes back over twenty years...studying with Stanley Radwan and then later even spending time training under the greatest of all - Lou Thesz).

I think these arts would still be in "hiding" had the world around them not become more open...

So why not Wing Chun?

Your plan to "work off the jab first in and break down the three timings...beginning, middle, and end of the action, then work on sealing the rear hand/ power side of the body...perhaps using broken rhythms and elevation changes..."

IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY. William Cheung has been teaching similar things for 20 years...It's wing chun...don't let anybody tell you differently.

Does that mean that every single thing you might do in this regard will be "perfect" ? No. That there won't be some adjustments you might have to make as time goes on ? No.

That you should display "everything" you know ? No...not everything. But the more the better...

AND WING CHUN WILL BE THE BETTER FOR IT...if more people did the same thing.

[Ernie]

http://rooftop.ho8.com/knockuoffbalance.mov

http://rooftop.ho8.com/nothot.mov

victor here are the direct links for the other clips see if this helps


as for the other stuff and being open , your right it's in my nature to share , that's how i learned it , people willing to pass it on , and it's not like i made the stuff up , just a link in a long chain :D

[Phil Redmond]

Hi Victor,
Thanks to Garry I've uploaded a few mpegs at; http://www.wck-media.co.uk so far. I have vids of different lineages that I plan on uploading as well, (I sent him the Chu Shung Tin SNT video).
Since I'm no techie I simply put in a VHS, DVD, or VCD and aim my digital camera at the TV screen. And as you can see it's pretty easy if I can do it. That may be a way for you to share ideas with others.
Phil

[Phil Redmond]

Here's the link regarding uploading mpegs.
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28529

[Ernie]

phil,
your right it's not as hard as i thought it would be , to capture video and post it . if i can figure out how to set up a page on my site were we can all post video discuss it and counter post video clips to give different idea's i will
just have to make sure i can handle the traffic on my current plan .
i would really love to get into training approaches , that way it's not just what we can pull of as individuals but how we develop the skills to pull it off

this would benifit every one :D

of course people will argue and say this or that , because they need to justify there particular way , that's just how the human ego works but in the end it might give birth to some positive information .

and phil i would like openly thank you for allready doing this via email and your site , you have been sharing stuff with me bhind the scenes for a long time and i am very grateful :D

[Phil Redmond]

Hey Ernie
Thanks, you know how we do. You send me stuff too ;)
I uploaded two mpegs of a technique I used to do against head hunting round kicks in my kickboxing days. They are WMV files and I don't know how to change them to mpegs. I sent them to you as well. Do you, or anyone, know how to change them?

[Ernie]

there are alot of free programs you can look vcdhelp.com
i use tmpeg but there are easier programs

[wentwest]

Ernie,

Congrats on the site! The clips look great, and I like the "old scratched film" look you treated that clip with.

I think you need some steadicam footage of you doing some demos, man!

When we wrap the movie I'm working on at the moment (early April), you've got to let me shoot some footage for you with my steadicam rig. Believe me, you'll like the production value, and the price can't be beat... as in on the house ;)

later,
Anthony

[Ernie]

anthony
why thank you for your professional oppinion :)

dude i plan on taking you up on your offer , i got a head full of ideas and i got a friend of mine that is so dynamic and talented he makes me look like dirt

this guy is poetry in motion and and one of the highest skilled individuals i have ever seen

this is the guy you want to film

but i'll squeeze my limited self in here and there :D


i knew you were working and i'm not one to bug people , if it happens then it was ment to be :D

i got some premiere questions , i had to work off of vegas since premiere got a little complicated

[wentwest]

Ernie,

You've got my email right? I'll fire you a quick email just in case. You'd never be bugging me, man. If I can answer any questions I'll be happy to. My strength is in cinematography though. Lighting and operating primarily (I'm a DP/Camera Operator/Steadicam Operator), but I do know a bit about editing... mostly from working on my reel. Haven't worked with Premiere, though. I'm mostly a Final Cut Pro kind of guy.

I'm looking forward to shooting some cool stuff! It'll happen.

Anthony

[Ernie]

the world is a awsome place when people just do cool stuff for each other
sushi is on me and i'm the cuban cigar hook up if you want to celebrate :D

[wentwest]

I'm down with that! Sake & beer on me!

[KenWingJitsu]

Gadayum!

I had no idea bro. Jeez...folks, he said he was going to have a website up and running...he did it in no time at all. Sheesh. if i hadnt come here I wouldn't have found out lol!

"My b*tch would be that you're doing more of the same- combis out of poon sao. That's useful for showing off to the WC crowd, who buy into the cult of chi sao, but doesn't say a lot to the person catching the thing from an outside perspective."

lol. Andrew posted EXACTLY what I would have. Keep in mind though...you can only see this as a complement....remember Andrew & I know what you're capable of, and heh heh...those clips only scratch the surface. ......so give us some "hydraulic Ernie"!!!!!!!!!

Good job man. Talk soon.

[Ernie]

lol. Andrew posted EXACTLY what I would have. Keep in mind though...you can only see this as a complement....remember Andrew & I know what you're capable of, and heh heh...those clips only scratch the surface. ......so give us some "hydraulic Ernie"!!!!!!!!!


my brother you crack me up

and i know what you and andrew are getting at , i'll sprinkle a little more as time goes on
i'll give folks time to take me apart and say he only does this or he only does that , and that they see this or that is wrong and sucks typical internet disection

i was kind of hopeing for a lot more negitive response :D

i'll have to try and muck things up a litlte more next time :D

i'm glad you liked the site , that's why i left you a message a few weeks ago wanted you to check it out while it was in development

if you want when i shot the boxing counter stuff you can join in , get a chance to show of your footwork and clinch stuff

hell maybe you and rob can do some street oriented ground stuff
seeing as your both better then me on the ground .

[Gangsterfist]

Ernie,

You should film some human Vs. animal fights. I remember hearing all these stories from my old sigung in my okinawan karate system about these karate practitioners who would travel around and try to fight animals way back in the day. Like one guy tried fighting a bull with his bare hands.

Then you can brag to your buddies how you beat up a pregnant mountain lion. Heck fighting humans is for wussies, I fight pregnant mountain lions.

But seriously......

Your chi sao looks good but how bout your actual long range, medium range, short range, clinch, grapple stuff look? I think a lot of wing chunners really lack at the long range game. I myself have been practicing some long range kicks for bridging the gap type techniques.

But your chi sao did look good bro, I was impressed.

[AndrewS]

Yo Ernie,

lemme know when you're shooting the boxing stuff. I'm in for some practice.

Later,

Andrew

[Ernie]

g fizzle my nizzle

dude you havne't seen my cat i don't need to hunt down a mountain lion i live in fear everyday with this satanic beast that keeps me a prisoner in my own home .

people won't even cat sit anymore when i go on vacation it's that bad :D

my long range stuff dude i'm a friggen hybrid , what do you want to see boxing ,kick boxing , savate , thai , filipino pananjakmen or panantuken

you name it .
but i will probably try and keep the wing chun filter sonce my core and base is wing chun

i'm honestly better at closing the gap then my close quarter stuff only because it seems so many have trouble there it looks easy to me . it's like there frozen in time

but when i get infront of a pro level boxer or kick boxer it's different those guys eat me for lunch


but i will put some stuff together and try to keep along the wing chun mindset as far as concept and tooling , but i'll be a bit more dynamic in the foot work . i know i didn't show any of that sruff in my clips , as my boys keep telling me :D

but that was chi sau so i kept it chi sau

thank you for your input and compliment it was real cool of you to step up like that


andrew

dude your automaticly in man

it will be a few weeks since the current video clips are being downloaded so much it's killing bandwidth 2 gigs in 5 days

[Ultimatewingchun]

Ernie:

"When I get in front of a pro level boxer or kickboxer they eat me for lunch..."

Can't say that I've worked with pros - but I have worked with boxers and kickboxers who are REAL GOOD...and would get tagged alot until I realized that learning/training how to always come in and take the space away that they want to keep in order to unload is the KEY to the whole game against them.

Easy to say - not so easy to do. But it's about using long range footwork/striking/lead leg kicking when going in...and rear leg kicking when they back up that's needed in order to keep following them to the infight point where we can play our wing chun game....along with GRABBING their arms when you get close and have some kind of positional control...

Now I know that you guys don't really do the TWC Entry - but let me put it this way...going in aggressively with the lead leg in the air (ready to neutralize their kicks) goes a long way against kickboxers.

Just some thoughts.

Later,

[Ernie]

victor
thanks for the input and belive it or not do to my savate training and weapons sparring my foot work and kicks are real quick but
when you get infront of a pro it's a whole nother game and monster

these guys see things coming a mile away and have so much seasoning and flight time

it's just a sin

but i do this as much as i hate to since i do end up paying a price to keep myself honest and to pick up what i can , often just working there attribute drills and going through there conditioning regiment is more then enough


sadly it's been over a year now that i haven't gotten in been strickly wing chun and i need to get back in game to see how much i can carry over .

i'm really hoping to get tsome of these sessions on film but some of these people have names and i would have to pay them ,and i'm not that down for the cause :D

[KenWingJitsu]

Bro,

my phone's been down for a minute. Will get it back up soon.

And hell yeah to training some clicnch/boxing/ground stuff with you and Rob. you dont need to ask.

[canglong]

Ernie,
Congrats on the site from the sound of things you have done a remarkable job in a short amount of time.
the soul of wing Chun - Live Energy refined by a skilled coach. I also understand you are only taking in closed door disciples in small number but after reading the previous quote from your site I was left wondering where is your qualifications page defining you as a "skilled coach". That would be the first thing most people look for in a coach I agree.

[Ernie]

canglong

i'm onmy way out to the gym so i have to be quick

few things

[[[ I also understand you are only taking in closed door disciples ]]]

i know you didn't mean any disrespect , but i don't take on ''disciples '' that term sounds religious and kinda freaks me out . i will work with anyone that i click with and that i feel i have something to offer them , no secrets no doors just individuals training .


[[I was left wondering where is your qualifications page defining you as a "skilled coach". That would be the first thing most people look for in a coach I agree.]]

honest question
first watch me move and know i have a little somthin somethin
then listen to those that arn't from my family and how they speak of me , they have nothing to gain

finally look who i'm trained under and that he has [[ certified ]] me to teach his system , just go to gary's website and look under the teachers section and well what do you know there i am ha ha ha


but people arn't animals and papers and pedigrees mean nothing ,
just meet me and if i have something to offer you will know and if i don't then you will move on no big deal

as for skilled aspect , i have payed my dues and still have more to pay

thank you for asking if you have anyother questions fire away

[PaulH]

A coach is to me foremost a leader. In the words of Major General Perry M. Smith at National War College, "A leader must be willing to teach skills, to share insights, and experiences, and to work very closely with people to help them mature and be creative...By teaching, leaders can inspire, motivate, and influence subordinates at various levels." I think in retrospect these are the very stuffs that draw me irresistably to this "Ernie" when we first met and hold us in steadfast friendship over the long years.

Being somewhat a natural coach, The "Ernie" that I know is often the first person to show up at class and remains very accessible throughout the day. He councels, reprimands, and even disciplines if need be any black sheep brothers who have gone too astray from the training goal at Gary's Gym. But throughout all these challenging tasks of teaching assistance, he is always ready to give recognitions and good hugs when you do good. I suppose he can do all so cheerfully, because KF is really in his blood and life.

If I have to state the chief reason of why he has so many enviable KF skills, I believe it is primarily because he is quite blessed and privileged to stand on the shoulders of so many good WC coaches before him - men like Hawkin Cheung and Gary lam as well as a host of other well-known MA instructors and fighters who generously share with him their tricks of the trade. Birds do flock together when they have the same feathers!

Well, what can I say more beside that he is quite nut in his insatiable drive to be all that he can be. I remember well how he still showed up for class when it was raining cat and dog! While we slept, he talked and learned alone with his coach Gary till the crack of dawn. In his sleep he dreamed of WC genie...

Regards,
PH

[Ernie]

Paul you can write my eulogy

what makes a good coach ?
I really put some thought into this since Tony made a valid point .
what would I look for myself ?

first I would want the guy to have professional or at least amateur fight experience
I find that guys that have gone through this process and been coached for fights conditioned for fights and actually fought and have been successful and apply there skill to drop another skilled conditioned fighter just have a deeper understanding of there art, combat and how to prepare for combat . talking is easy doing is something else

this is something I don't have not on a professional level , so I wouldn't be my first choice =)
but I have trained with people at pro and amateur levels and definitely worked out with them as far as preparation and conditioning , but I still lack in actually going in the ring and getting the job done

next thing is can the guy coach , not all fighters can teach and not all teachers can fight . so was he just a race horse that did what he was told and just imitates that or does he really understand how to connect with people and care enough to break the individual down look at there strengths and weaknesses and personality [ mind,body,spirit ]
and does he have or seek out the tools and ideas to improve these area's .
this is were it gets tricky not everyone coming to your door is going to be a fighter , and some people are trying to sort out issues emotional or physical so a good coach has to take the time to understand what this person is looking for and then help them get there .

this is the part that excites me connecting with people and helping them to improve on what ever level , I get more out of watching some one smile after they pull something off that they thought was beyond them . then when I do something myself
to me that's what it really is all about , taking people places were they didn't think they could go .


another real important thing I would look for is actual results have the coaching methods produced anything ?
in me definitely in the relatively short time compared to some people I have been training I have advanced allot
why ? solid coaching methods and I test everything
Wong was a great fighter and a fantastic coach he produced top notch fighters .
Gary was a great fighter and a professional coach and in china trained many top notch fighters [ mainly Thai style at the time ]

those same methods have been passed to me and beyond that I have trained with boxing kickboxing/savate/savate and Filipino system coaches . I have had allot of exposure to training approaches and I am fairly proficient in these arts . meaning I can simulate real energy not your buddy playing around throwing a jab in class , but the real snappy ripping broken rhythm quick foot work stuff that happens when you face those types of fighters
basically I understand how the other guy thinks and what he needs .

this is what I mean buy live energy
and the cool thing I can turn it up in increments which will allow a person to grow through progression

so to sum it up

has the person actually fought
has the person trained fighters and are the methods proven
does the person care about the individual and not just push the cookie cutter method
can the person feed the right energy to draw out the desired results
and for me is the person honest , no ego monster or little emperor syndrome

so even on my own check list i can't honestly check off everything , but i work with what i got :D

thanks again tony that was a great question , i know you were looking more for a paper work trail to validate skill , but i honestly don't believe in certificates and belts things like that , it really has nothing to do with fighting skill or teaching skill , just means you went through a process and learned the motions , tells me nothing about the individual

and in the end it always goes back to the individual .

[canglong]

I know you were looking more for a paper work trail to validate skill Not really Ernie the answer you gave was excellent a fair honest objective self analysis and that is about all a prospective student could ask for.

[Ernie]

tony

Not really Ernie the answer you gave was excellent a fair honest objective self analysis and that is about all a prospective student could ask for


hey man cool ,

thanks for making me think about from that angle hadn't even considered that view so i really appriciate it :D

[canglong]

No prob Ernie, most of us here are more than likely trying to refine that "skilled coach" inside of us as well. As for the professional thing here in AZ we have Rage in the Cage and from what I have seen you could probably get in get you a little pro experience under your belt with minimal risk I mention that becaue being in LA you could get here rather easily and I am not sure if they have RitC in Cali I know they have it in Vegas as well but not sure about CA. Anyhow best wishes and good health to you and yours always.
By the way there is a Hung Fa Yi seminar in San Fran Sat, Sun March 27 & 28 I would like to invite you to, think about it anyways.

peace

[Ernie]

tony

my friend is training someone for k-1 and i'll be working with him in a few weeks , he is an x european kickboxing champ the dude is a stright up pro so he will be kicking my a ss
soon enough ,
honestly i'm carring around 10 pounds to much so i'm getting shape just to be able to train with these guys , i'm lucky that way i got a stable of dudes that work out in my gym and i get to train with them for free

these guys really out class me but they like my energy and don't to go all out '' thank god'' so i will getting my feet wet again soon





thank you for your offer about the seminar but it's my girls b day on the 24th and we got a week of festivities lined up :D

but i wish you the best and a great seminar
i'm sure i'll run in to some of your guys eventually and we can chat / train what ever it would be fun.

as for joining [ fighting competitions ] oddly though i train with those types and condition myself that way , you may find this hard to believe i'm not really competitive , meaning i don't have a desire to best another person just because

even when i spar i allways take it easy i just see it as training , evven when i get tagged or the other dude is all emotional doesn't fade me , it's not real just another learning experience

i'm wierd that way

my focus is street , the street scares me and i have an etreme amount of respect for what the street represents

sparring is sparring , ring fighting is ring fighting , getting pistle whipped and a shoe job is something else

and in my own sick minded way it intrigues the hell out of me

like i said i must need medical attention :D

any way good lookin out bro
check on my site from time to time new vvids will be coming and you can check me if i write any out landish stuff :)

[canglong]

Ernie,
Fair enough, yeah the way Hung Fa Yi is growing I am sure you will have lots more opportunity to catch up to someone and chat or touch hands as we say. 'Til then stay up and tell my fellow aries to keep it and you real haha:)

peace out

[Ernie]

dude that fellow aries dropped me with a thigh kick last night :D

and happy b day

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Ernie
but when i get infront of a pro level boxer or kick boxer it's different those guys eat me for lunch Ernie- Honest and sincere question for you. Why do you think that is so?

[Ernie]

Ernie- Honest and sincere question for you. Why do you think that is so?



well first of all there attributes are developed to a higher degree
speed timing power adaptability

there conditining is developed to a higher degree

which ties into the first


they have way more flight time and seasoning , they have complete confidence in what they do since they have dropped people with it

and this is what they do to survive

as for fighting style or types of punches all the is meaning less

it comes back to there developed skill and focus

i can handle myself well with amatuar semi pro-ish guys no problem , but a pro is a different monster and until you have stood infront of one you won't know what your talking about
and these are no name pro's usa fights stuff like that god forbid an actual champ

see it's real easy to sit back in your chair and think ya well i would do this or in the street this would be different
don't fool yourself
those same attributes will be there in the street as well .
alot of these guys have a history of street fights
martial arts are filled with condition responses and sales pitches not just wing chun but all of them

but knifefighter those same attributes can be applied with any type of fighting wing chun as well .

my teacher for example he is an ex pro and at 50 plus and over wieght the dude is just plain scary , he tested and won using wing chun even in thai land were he went to train with the thai fighters back in the day .

that honest expression of wing chun mixed with fighters conditioning and a killers mindset is very effective

but very very very few ever take it to that level so alot of fluff and misconceptions get thrown in

if things are not tested then anything can work in a demo

but to be honest i have seen the same crappy skill level in bjj/ nhb wanna be's / tap out dudes i have trained with / boxers / thai fighters all balls no ****

i mean really to look at things from a stylistic view is very limited

to look at things from a attribute development individual growth aspect
then things become alot clearer

i know enough about myself to say i have no desire to be a competitive figher , i don't have that void to fill in my personality
realtivly happy dude

but i won't even deny the skill that comes when you train like one ,

i don't look to wing chun or any other art or blend of arts to be the magic pill , that's just silly
but i do look at the attributes developed by the training methods of certian arts through open minded ness and experimenting with these training methods great skill can be achieved

hope that was honest enough for you


:D

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Ernie
...to look at things from a attribute development individual growth aspect
then things become alot clearer Couldn't agree more.

Nice post- thanks for the reply.

BTW, what years did your instructor fight pro? Was it boxing/MT, or both? Where did he fight?

[Ernie]

here is a quick bio[[[[

In Monterey Park California, one of Sigung Wong's most senior successors has for the past several years been quietly teaching the Wing Chun system of his teacher. That successor is Sifu Gary Lam (Lam Man Hog). Sifu Lam trained with Wong Shun Leung for over 15 years and was his head coach for 6 years. Sifu Lam distinguished himself by winning the Hong Kong full contact elimination tournament in 1978, defeating all challengers in three elimination fights. This fighting victory resulted in being awarded the coveted champions gold coin medallion, and gained him the respect and admiration of his fellow practitioners from all styles. Sifu Lam has also been a competitive Hong Kong Thai boxer, and in the early nineties often served as a judge for Thai boxing matches in Hong Kong. Sifu Lam has been teaching Wing Chun Kung Fu and training Thai Boxers for over 20 years. He also had the honor and distinction of serving as the 1991 President of the Hong Kong Wing Chun Society]]


there is alot more stuff on his site if you want to check him out
hes a very layed back dude , real honest no ego type
like most [ real]] fighters i have had the hung out with there just the most humble of people nothing to prove
but when they switch on rrrrrrruuuuunnnnnnnnn :D

but on the real dude your always welcome to come hang out with me train chill trade stuff what ever i got nothing to prove and everything to learn

wing chun to me is just a training system , it gives a real indeph look at the body how to use it and tactics
but i have no emotional connection to it
like all things it must prove itself to me not me prove myself to it

peace

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Ernie
there is alot more stuff on his site if you want to check him out
Sounds like a good guy. Is he still training competitive fighters? What's his site address?

[PaulH]

Knifefighter,

It's garylamwingchun.com
Regarding your other question, it's best to ask the man directly. He is very forthright on what he does or does not today. Ernie and I are just students and are not privy to certain personel and confidential info between Gary and his clients.

Regards,
PH

[Ernie]

kf
Sounds like a good guy. Is he still training competitive fighters? What's his site address?


o Gary is really focused on brining up the caliber of wing chun right now , he feels his students should maintain a semi professional mindset

learn , got out and apply , then adapt it to your needs

he feels wing chun has become very lazy and lost much of it's fighting spirit , that it once had

but after it's all said and down he feels wing chun trained correctly and conditioned and applied is a very dangerous gun to have

he also acknowledges that fighting has changed allot from the old days fighters are better prepared and more mobile the world is a smaller place
so you must adapt or fade away

but he is a stickler find a wing chun answer for the problem this way you respect and give back to those that paid there dues before you


so yep he is a good guy and he is honest and speaks from first hand experience not just hand me down stories

which is what drew me there

[KenWingJitsu]

see it's real easy to sit back in your chair and think ya well i would do this or in the street this would be different

Perfect post man......perfect. And yes we will hang soon. Just got to clear up some stuff.

[PaulH]

Man, those German guys must have consumed lot of beef and beer over there for I never feel so small. You and Robert give us a good show. I don't feel like volunteering anymore after Robert kill my thigh today. Ha! Ha!

Regards,
PH

[Ernie]

feel to appriciate :D

robert was being nice , i used to end up covered in my own blood a few years ago when i was first attempting to apply wing chun against him

i paid a price but i learned so much

today you paid a small price but you gained a new level of understanding

but you can see how the other guys don't have the smoothness
they are very fixed and robotic

but it will change there great guys and willing to learn :D

[KenWingJitsu]

Sh!t man,......

That';s the stuff you need to film!...:D

[Ernie]

i'm sure we will get some of that stuff when we do robs site
except i won't get in there with rob
i like being able to walk :D

sorry i missed the work out but me and the '' german connection '' did the beach thing

those cats loooooove wing chun , and beer

[planetwc]

I'm trying to send you a message, but you are full up.

Empty your cup dude! :D :p

[Ernie]

my cup is now empty :D