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Chang Style Novice
03-22-2004, 10:44 AM
There was once a stonecutter, who was dissatisfied with himself and with his position in life.


One day, he passed a wealthy merchant's house, and through the open gateway, saw many fine possessions and important visitors. "How powerful that merchant must be!" thought the stonecutter. He became very envious, and wished that he could be like the merchant. Then he would no longer have to live the life of a mere stonecutter.


To his great surprise, he suddenly became the merchant, enjoying more luxuries and power than he had ever dreamed of, envied and detested by those less wealthy than himself. But soon a high official passed by, carried in a sedan chair, accompanied by attendants, and escorted by soldiers beating gongs. Everyone, no matter how wealthy, had to bow low before the procession. "How powerful that official is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be a high official!"


Then he became the high official, carried everywhere in his embroidered sedan chair, feared and hated by the people all around, who had to bow down before him as he passed. It was a hot summer day, and the official felt very uncomfortable in the sticky sedan chair. He looked up at the sun. It shone proudly in the sky, unaffected by his presence. "How powerful the sun is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be the sun!"


Then he became the sun, shining fiercely down on everyone, scorching the fields, cursed by the farmers and laborers. But a huge black cloud moved between him and the earth, so that his light could no longer shine on everything below. "How powerful that storm cloud is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be a cloud!"


Then he became the cloud, flooding the fields and villages, shouted at by everyone. But soon he found that he was being pushed away by some great force, and realized that it was the wind. "How powerful it is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be the wind!"


Then he became the wind, blowing tiles off the roofs of houses, uprooting trees, hated and feared by all below him. But after a while, he ran up against something that would not move, no matter how forcefully he blew against it — a huge, towering stone. "How powerful that stone is!" he thought. "I wish that I could be a stone!" he thought. "I wish that I could be a stone!"


Then he became the stone, more powerful than anything else on earth. But as he stood there, he heard the sound of a hammer pounding a chisel into the solid rock, and felt himself being changed. "What could be more powerful than I, the stone?" he thought. He looked down and saw far below him the figure of a stonecutter.

Shaolinlueb
03-22-2004, 11:54 AM
so you saying the stonecutter is more powerful than the sun???


jk....


interesting story.

Mr Punch
03-22-2004, 09:10 PM
Love that story. Chuang Tsu?

Chang Style Novice
03-22-2004, 10:11 PM
I don't know of any specific attribution for it. I first read it in a comic book by John J Muth and drawn by John Kuramoto. But it's obviously a much older story than that - I think it appears in the Tao of Pooh as well, but it's probably even older than that!:D

Vash
03-22-2004, 10:16 PM
I remember I saw that story on PBS back when I was four or five.
It was stupidist cartoon EVAR! There was chinese people, but no one did karate! :eek:

It's a great story, though.

SanSoo Student
03-23-2004, 12:49 AM
So...you could be a stonecutter if you did Karate?

rubthebuddha
03-23-2004, 01:13 AM
nope. the kara in karate means empty. i've yet to see a karateka with hands sharp enough to cut stone. however, give him or her a katana, and it's a different story.

i'd say a veterinarian, because, at least from a dog's perspective, they are cutting stones all the time.

the story for me has several points, and i'd invite you all to share your interpretations as well:

1. jealousy/discontent will never bring you happiness, for more can always be wanted.
2. nothing is omnipotent, and some of the greatest things can be brought down by something seeminly unimportant.
3. just because a is stronger than b and b is stronger than c, a is not necessarily stronger than c (take THAT, mathematicians).
4. simplicity is often not sought by those who live simply, and complexity is rarely admired by those with too great a burden.

etc.

PaulH
03-23-2004, 01:37 AM
I think you rub down the gist of the story well. I would just add that there is a buddhist-flavored moral on the illusions of life. By clinging to his various illusions, the suffering goes on and on with sharp ironies. The man is anything but "himself" in his whimsical and elusive quest of true peace and contentment for his soul.

Regards,
PH

Mr Punch
03-23-2004, 01:58 AM
A katana isn't going to cut stone.

And stop analyzing the d*mn story already! Part of the beauty of this story is that it stands alone: simple, resonant and archetypical. Philistines!

Bloody Westerners!
:eek:

:D

rubthebuddha
03-23-2004, 10:00 AM
mat -- go back and watch the intro to GIJoe. storm shadow cuts a stone pillar in half with his katana, you schmuck. :D

WanderingMonk
03-24-2004, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by rubthebuddha
mat -- go back and watch the intro to GIJoe. storm shadow cuts a stone pillar in half with his katana, you schmuck. :D

Yes, they have that on video. It really did happen!

IronFist
03-25-2004, 01:35 AM
^ best reference ever, rtb.

But I thought that was on the outtro (um, if that's not a real word, it's the opposite of an intro. I mean like the scenes it plays during the credits).

TaiChiBob
03-25-2004, 07:22 AM
Greetings..

Stay focused on the task in front of you.. looking around and daydreaming may get you immortalized in some timeless classic story..

Asite from that, Mat said it well.. let the story speak to you, don't let the values of others distort the simple wisdom of this parable..

Be well..

Vash
03-25-2004, 07:25 AM
I think the dude was just looking for the fastest route to the Isle of Punany and got sidetracked.

Frikkin hippie.

rubthebuddha
03-25-2004, 09:35 AM
IF -- :o you're right. 'twas the outtro. but still, if my duck hunt bit got me best metaphor and gijoe gets me best reference, i'm golden. :cool:

WM -- thanks for the backup. :p