View Full Version : A question of the Gum Sau in SLT

Sean Madigan
10-06-2000, 11:49 PM
Hi All,

What is the purpose of the Gum Sau? Yes, I know that it is called the "pinning Arm" and that you could use it as a "low block" against a knee attack of sorts. However, I refuse to believe that it was put in the form that many times for that purpose.

SLT is such an effiecent form, and there MUST be other reason for the quantity of the Gum saus within it.

Thanks in advance.

BIG Sean Madigan

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10-07-2000, 01:04 AM
Hi Sean,

Gum Sau is about projecting energy in a downward angle. It can be down to the front at an angle or to the sides or even to the rear. It can indeed be used to block some types of kicks more often knee type attacks. However it is much more than a technique to block knees. When you explore the concept of Gum Sau you can find the hidden use of utilizing the downward energy to perform throws. You can also use the downward energy in conjunction with a step to utilize the shoulder to strike an opponent. Also, when used to strike the knee you can then rebound and turn the energy into a punch, shown in the second form. All of this is better explored and explained in person. This medium allows much digression and can result in misunderstandings.

Think about what I have posted and then we can pursue this further. I am sure others will have views to post just as valid as my own.

BTW, I will be in New York again next Sunday. Perhaps we can meet sometime during the day.

Oh, how many Gum Saus do you count in SNT? I count a total of Four (4). Left Hand, Right Hand, Both hands together to the rear and both hands together to the front.



[This message was edited by Sihing73 on 10-07-00 at 08:03 PM.]

10-08-2000, 07:54 AM
the technic you mention really are all quite different in application(although there are some simarlarities, you are not really practicing the same thing multiple times)
can i just add that the movement behind the back is the only movement that wong shun leung never had to use in fighting career.(although it still has some valueable concepts)
i am sorry big sean but i just wanted to add(although i presume you know this)that these 2 handed technics would generally never be done both hands at once.
i am sure that sihing is right in saying the best thing to do is get together as they are definitely ones that need on-hand dicussion.

10-08-2000, 08:01 AM
i can't remember in what situation it is used(it is a rare situation but i should remember-old age i guess)
try this for fun-get on the side of your partner & use the downward palm to scape straight down their body from about floating ribs to the hips.
ask them if they like the burn & feel of that technic.

10-11-2000, 04:18 AM
One of my instructors used to use Gum sau to attack the bladder. He would shoot down over the bone to hit it. He said that if it were full then it would pop like a water balloon. I couldn't say whether or not this was true but it sounded good at the time.

10-11-2000, 06:44 PM
as much as I hate wasting time talking about and spending time practicing Chi Gung and "Chi" related things, there are alot of people who believe the Gum Sau movement is incorporated into the Form as a Chi Gung movement. There are toaist chi development and breathing exercises that use the exact same movement as gum sau when breathing out. The particular exercises where the gum sao like movement is used in taoist chi gung are mostly focused on circulating "Chi" through the arms for power there.
So the answer might be, there is in fact not much practical use at all for Gum Sao, other than the "Chi Gung" aspect, which much of has been lost due to the modern Wing Chun mans practicality.

10-12-2000, 12:49 AM
consider what the shoulder is doing during the gum sao. there is alot there with potential for many applications.

10-12-2000, 07:12 AM
My Wing Tsun teacher showed us an application of the double gum sao to the back.

When an attacker grabs you from behind (wrapping up both arms), it can be used to to strike the attackers mid section, thus releasing you. The key is to simultaneously bend down at the shoulders while thrusting the hips backwards into the opponent at the same time as the double gum sao.

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07-21-2001, 02:59 AM
So far, we are using those gums in these ways:
1. (To the back) against the bear hug to the groin or bladder.
2. (To the front) against someone trying to tackle you.
3. All 3 shoulder positions for Bok jarn strikes.

07-21-2001, 06:06 AM
Gum sau, or pressing block can be used to trap an opponent's hand, or both hands.

It is my second most used trapping technique right behind pak and lap is the third.

Bruce Lee used a few Gum saus in his fight with Chuck Norris in Return of the Dragon. Near the end of the fight and Chuck's back is to the audience, Bruce does a few gums with rapid straight punches to Chuck's torso before launching into a couple swinging hooks.

07-22-2001, 10:15 PM
The gum sau is used to train the intercostals and linking the upper and lower bodies during SNT. In addition, the intention is allowed to sink in the hands followed by the intercostals and the horse. This allows the energy to be projected in any direction around the body. I believe that 'gum' means to press, so when pressing, press with the body and not just the arm.

Application of gum sau is not restricted to pinning an arm. It can be used to attack a target, it can be applied as a joint lock or throw, it can be used to escape, etc. Think of ways that you could or would want to direct your energy downwards or to press something.