Mirko Cro Cop

[IronFist]

I don't follow nhb fighting as much as I should, but I've never heard of this guy before. He seems like a badass, tho.

I was suprised at how successfully he threw high kicks! Kinda makes you wonder about the "high kicks don't work in a fight" thing. Altho, maybe his opponents were really tired or something, and then it probably becomes a higher percentage move. What do you think?

Mirko CroCop (http://www.intensemediaconcepts.com/video/Mirko_CroCop.wmv)

[MasterKiller]

2.9

[red5angel]

looks pretty cool, he should get better background music though, Evanescents sucks a$$. I think their nameis oddly apropriate ;)

[IronFist]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
2.9

^ wtf? I wasn't trolling. I posted a video that I thought people might enjoy, and I said it was strange how many high kicks he used, because that goes against classical MMA belief. And since the high kicks were used in a professional NHB arena, it's a little bit better proof than seeing high kicks used at a TKD tournament.

But I wasn't trying to be all like "bite me, high kicks rule!" or anything. Geez.

[IronFist]

Originally posted by red5angel
looks pretty cool, he should get better background music though,

I don't think he picked the music, nor made the video.

[red5angel]

it looks pretty good otherwise, his kicking is pretty good and he looks like he has some interesting training methods too.

[norther practitioner]

CroCop has been discussed a few times here..

but anyway.. I think he is one of the hardest kickers I've ever seen.... I love a part of one vid I saw of him, he kicked some dude in the side, then the do a close up of said dude, and you could see his ribs in the bruise that was left from said kick.

[Suntzu]

did u see what he did to Wandy's ribs :eek:........ if kro cop is a god… wandy is like Zues or some ish… that being said… McDonald KO'd him with a quickness… no one is immune…

oh...... 2 month ago called....

[backbreaker]

I take it you are not a huge MMA fan. HIgh kicks have worked in MMA since 1996 when Maurice Smith won the Extreme fighting heavyweight title from Conan Silveria. Head high kicks only didn't work in NHB/MMA from '93 to '96. I think truewrestler posted that video a while ago, thanks anyways though

[Losttrak]

Mirko is one of my faves. And for the record, he KTFO of peeps that are fresh (see Igor Vovchanchyn -sp-). He has some of the strongest short-range punches I have ever seen (see the Waterman fight). I do think he needs to work on some of his hand defenses (see the Yamamoto fight) since he tends to reach when people start flailing which opens him for all sorts of blows. He is maturing well and I cant wait for a Wandy/Nogueria/Fedor (re)match.

[backbreaker]

Watermant took him right down;)

[quiet man]

Originally posted by IronFist


I don't think he picked the music, nor made the video.

His song of choice when entering the ring is Duran Duran's "Wild Boys" (which sux @ss even more than Evanescence) :D

Did you guys know Mirko made a movie just a few days ago? It's called "Ultimate 7"; here (http://free-zd.hinet.hr/webxtra/frames/news.htm)'s the link.

[MasterKiller]

Jesus, CroCop is in parliment?

[red5angel]

I'd take Duran Duran over Evenascents any day of the week. I'm still ****ed off at having to hear it!

[quiet man]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
Jesus, CroCop is in parliment?

Yes, he was invited into politics (and was placed very high on the list, so he got into Parliament pretty easy) by our former Prime minister.
Didn't help him to stay the Prime minister though

[Losttrak]

Watermant took him right down


Lol Waterman took him down... only to get soccer-kicked into submission. Doh.

[backbreaker]

That part was cool

[Chang Style Novice]

I'm sure Waterman's a good fighter and a tough guy and would choke me out and all that, but...

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, anyone? (http://free-zd.hinet.hr/webxtra/images/pride%2027/21.jpg)

[Face2Fist]

cro cop is one bad s.o.b he broke sakuraba's and sapp's orbital bone with a straight right, broke herring's ribs, knocked igor out cold, was able to knockdown nog unlike most fighters in the past. he is one of the best strikes in MMA, i dont think any fighter can compare to him at this time..

[Volcano Admim]

Originally posted by Face2Fist
cro cop is one bad s.o.b he broke sakuraba's and sapp's orbital bone with a straight right, broke herring's ribs, knocked igor out cold, was able to knockdown nog unlike most fighters in the past. he is one of the best strikes in MMA, i dont think any fighter can compare to him at this time..

Really? No compare? No can defeat?
Then it must been a miracle Minotauro submiting his ass royally
ITS A MIRACLE!
JESUS MUST BE AMONG US! or some

[Face2Fist]

Originally posted by Volcano Admim


Really? No compare? No can defeat?
Then it must been a miracle Minotauro submiting his ass royally
ITS A MIRACLE!
JESUS MUST BE AMONG US! or some


nog got that sub by mistake, cro let his guard down, hey it happens to everyone... if you saw the fight nog was getting owned and only the bell saved him, from getting knocked out.. dont get me worry nog is one of my fave fighters, but that night he won by a mistake made by cro cop as in happens in the ring, one man's lost another man's gain

[Volcano Admim]

Originally posted by Face2Fist



nog got that sub by mistake, cro let his guard down, hey it happens to everyone... if you saw the fight nog was getting owned and only the bell saved him, from getting knocked out.. dont get me worry nog is one of my fave fighters, but that night he won by a mistake made by cro cop as in happens in the ring, one man's lost another man's gain

MINOTAURO WINS
SUCK-ASS CROATIAN COP LOSES

MINOTAURO IS THE WINNER
MINOTAURO IS BETTER

[quiet man]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
Jesus, CroCop is in parliment?

Is that so bad? It's not like he won in California or anything :p

[IronFist]

I should know this, but what's an orbital bone?

[red5angel]

isn't that the bone around your eye?

[backbreaker]

Probably, I think he screwed up Sakuraba's eyeball or something. It was a while ago, I think he palm slapped Sakuraba on the side of his eye from the gaurd

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Face2Fist
nog got that sub by mistake, That was no mistake my friend. If you are talking about the sub itself, that is a standard BJJ sub from the mount when the bottom man pushes off.

If you are talking about the takedown, that was a change in fighting strategy instigated by Nog's corner.

I will agree with you that few can compare with Cro-Cop's standup.

[IronFist]

Originally posted by backbreaker
Probably, I think he screwed up Sakuraba's eyeball or something. It was a while ago, I think he palm slapped Sakuraba on the side of his eye from the gaurd

:eek: That's not good. Is Sakuraba ok?

[Face2Fist]

Originally posted by IronFist


:eek: That's not good. Is Sakuraba ok?

that happen a couple years ago, sak is fine and still fighting.

[Face2Fist]

Originally posted by Knifefighter
That was no mistake my friend. If you are talking about the sub itself, that is a standard BJJ sub from the mount when the bottom man pushes off.

If you are talking about the takedown, that was a change in fighting strategy instigated by Nog's corner.

I will agree with you that few can compare with Cro-Cop's standup.

cro cop mistake was extenting his arm when he was in guard position which gave nog the opportunity to get him in an arm bar.

[Face2Fist]

Originally posted by red5angel
isn't that the bone around your eye?

yes its the bone that keeps your eye in place, and it was broken with a right cross to his eye

[FatherDog]

See, when I saw IronFist posting the video, I assumed he'd be *****ing about the fact that CroCop does Smith machine squats. :D

[IronFist]

Originally posted by FatherDog
See, when I saw IronFist posting the video, I assumed he'd be *****ing about the fact that CroCop does Smith machine squats. :D

You know what? I noticed that :D

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by Face2Fist


yes its the bone that keeps your eye in place, and it was broken with a right cross to his eye

Actually, it was a left cross. Mirko fights southpaw.

[old jong]

I watched the clip and whatever the music or who did the video,we can see things about Cro Cop's style of fighting.
He uses a left roundhouse all the times. As Bill "superfoot" Wallace did a long times ago,he turned a single kick into a highly effective and specialised weapon. His timing is very good so,he can catch his opponent while moving in any directions.

He proves that high kicks can be very dangerous when "mastered" to a high degree. The fact that mma's fighters often think these kind of techniques are not effective and therefore do not train enough against them or simply neglect them is a good help too.

BTW, Bill Wallace's kicks were a lot faster.

[DragonzRage]

There is NO serious MMA fighter who does not think a high roundhouse to the neck/head can be effective. Fighters coming from strong muay thai/kickboxing backgrounds have been using that kick effectively in MMA for a long time now :) The major reason why a lot of MMA fighters seem more susceptible to head kicks than a skilled kickboxer is simply because the majority of MMA fighters come from a strong grappling background and have pretty low level striking ability. In high level MMA you have your CroCops, Silvas, etc. But if you go to lower level local events, chances are you'll notice that most of the striking is pi$$ poor.

Its not the type of technique you'd want to throw too liberally, but a skilled striker such as CroCop who knows how to time the technique right, and has sufficient grappling knowledge to be able to defend against the takedown and avoid submissions, can use it very effectively. Thai boxers have been knocking each other out with high roundhouse kicks for ages. There has never been any question about its effectiveness.

It is the flashy acrobatic butterfly/spinning jump type kicks that are questionable. But even those, when executed by a strong and well rounded fighter and timed exactly right, could be occasionally effective. A lot of strange things work in MMA every now and then. We haven't seen too many flashy kickers who are effective, but I think that if someone like Cung Le or Andy Hug made a smooth transition to MMA, we'd start seeing more of that.

Even in Bill Wallace's prime, I think CroCop would've tore him a new a$$hole in MMA or K-1 rules.

[old jong]

I agree with you that a serious MMA fighter has to watch out for these kicks (depending on the kicker) But,many of them seems to think "it will not happen because it did not happened to Royce or whatever!" ;) Timing is the key.

I saw Wallace in action (in the seventies) and he could have give Cro Cop a head start with a round kick and still reach target a long time ahead.He might as well give two kicks with the same leg in the same times.
Nobody had or have a faster left leg.Bruce Lee was slow compared to him!

[IronFist]

Originally posted by DragonzRage
Thai boxers have been knocking each other out with high roundhouse kicks for ages.

That's what I was thinking of when I made this thread.

[Suntzu]

how much did Bill weigh?......

[cerebus]

Wow. I have to agree that Mirko is a bad mo-fo! I also agree (from having seen tapes of Bill Wallaces full-contact matches) that Bill would've given Mirko a rough time. I can't say who would've won, but Wallace's kicks were not only fast (and they were REALLY fast!) but they were seriously powerful! I saw a clip of him hook kicking a guy almost clean outta the ring :eek: . Wallace was (and I'm sure still is, even at his age) a very skilled, quality fighter. I sure as hell wouldn't wanna fight EITHER of these guys in a knockout match (though I'd love to have the honor of sparring with them).

[old jong]

I know Wallace was not a heavyweight.He was representing, along with Norris,Urquidez,Lewiss and others,the "American way" of Karate. These guys were not "classical" in their approaches.They all had very personal styles and influenced the martial scene for some times.

Wallace's strengh was his incredible left leg. He could show his opponent exactly where he intended to hit and do it just like that.Nobody was fast enough (as far as I know) to block or evade one of his left leg kicks.

[cerebus]

I believe Wallace was a middleweight as a Karate champ and a light heavyweight as a kickboxer. It would be interesting to imagine Mirko at the top of his game against, say, Joe Lewis in his prime (Lewis was more Miko's weight and HARD AS NAILS).

[David Jamieson]

you know, that dude has a wicked kick coming from the left.

what's weird is that none of his opponents have figured out that's his big bang yet and they don't work to stay away from it.

weird. you would think that with that much film to analyze, more than one or two guys would figure out the best gate to get in on cro-cop would be.

ah well, now that he's eatin caviar, sippin champagne and signing accords in croatia, we prolly aren't gonna see a heck of a lot more of him. :D

Nice left kick though. you can really get more of a sense of the juice he's generating on the bagwork shots.:eek: good stuff.

[cerebus]

Well, there's a big difference between knowing what's coming, and even where it's coming from, and being able to stop it.

[Ultimatewingchun]

CroCop was destroying Nog when the "change of tactics" occurred - Nog made a desperate all-out, full-steam-ahead, risk-it-all attempt at a double-leg which succeeded in putting CroCop down and then fully mounted by Nog...he made the mistake of overextending his arm while trying to bridge Nog off...was arm-barred.

His mistake was not knowing a bit more about defending takedowns and the ground game in general - once he does that...he'll be virtually unstoppable. He doesn't have to become an anti-takedown/ground grappling guru - just a bit more is all he really needs...and his striking/kicking skills, which are so far beyond anybody else out there right now, will make him the heavyweight champion for some time, IMO.

I saw Wallace and Lewis fight many times in the 70's - CroCop would have beaten either one of them - because his boxing skills are so far beyond theirs he could have crowded both of them for either a punch knockout or a finishing kick when they began to back up from his punching power.

[cerebus]

Lewis was a skilled boxer and even considered turning pro. I've heard about him knocking an opponent out cold with a jab. Don't know if he would have really been that easy to beat.

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Face2Fist
cro cop mistake was extenting his arm when he was in guard position which gave nog the opportunity to get him in an arm bar. Cro Cop made the mistake of extending his arm while trying to bridge Mino from THE MOUNT, a common mistake. I wouldn't call capitalizing on a mistake to be luck.

As far as the change of tactics, Mino was getting clocked everytime he stopped his movement and became stationary. The "change in tactics" was to work on his movements, either going inside for the takedown or staying moving on the outside, where Cro Cop had been having trouble connecting.

[Ultimatewingchun]

As I remember the fight (and I do have it on video and could check it again if need be)...CroCop was punching/kicking Nog heavy duty during the first round - bloodied and hurt him - especially the last minute or so...

Then came the change of tactics that I decribed earlier...VERY early into the second round is when Nog made the all-out attempt at the takedown that was successful.

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
As I remember the fight (and I do have it on video and could check it again if need be)...CroCop was punching/kicking Nog heavy duty during the first round - bloodied and hurt him - especially the last minute or so...Watch the footwork/movement. Mino was getting tagged mostly when he would plant himself.

[Ultimatewingchun]

Yeah...I'll watch the CroCop/Nog fight again when I get back into town this weekend.