Long Fist ?

[Starchaser107]

This might seem like a stupid question,
but are nothern shaolin sets such as "red fist" for arguements sake considered under the category "long fist"?
thanks in advance.

[MasterKiller]

Yes.

Long-Fist styles include, but are not limited to: Cha Chuan, Hua (flower) Chuan, China-style Chuan, Pao Chuan, Hong-family Chuan, Hong (red)-style Chuan, Fanzi (tumbling) Chuan, and Hua (Essence) Chuan.

[SPJ]

Good answers! Master K.

Long boxing means you start your engagement or contact a step away. Of course, you hit, you are close or on the opponent.

You do need some elbow room to neutralize the opponent's attack then comes your counter attack.

Most of CMA are long. Wing Chun is short. Ba Ji, Ta Ji, Suai Jiao are close or body contact.

I studied over 100's Shaolin Quan over 25 years.

You always started with little red (Hong) Quan and basic LouHan 18 shi's.

Each LouHan has its character and its sets of Quan's.

Armitorphun! little giver!

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
Yes.

Long-Fist styles include, but are not limited to: Cha Chuan, Hua (flower) Chuan, China-style Chuan, Pao Chuan, Hong-family Chuan, Hong (red)-style Chuan, Fanzi (tumbling) Chuan, and Hua (Essence) Chuan.

Which of the huas are also known as "Hua Mountain Fist?"

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by Judge Pen


Which of the huas are also known as "Hua Mountain Fist?" China-Style, sometimes called Cai-Family fist.

Hua Quan(China-style Chuan )



Hua Quan or the China-style Chuan originated in Jining of Shandong Province (ancient Rencheng). It is said that during the Kaiyuan reign of the Tang Dynasty (713-741), a Mount Hua knight named Cai Mao killed his enemy of a noble family of Chang'an, and went to hide in Rencheng. Cai Mao was excellent at combat and sword play. About 400 years later Cai's offspring, Cai Tai and Cai Gang, were also proficient at combat and were often chosen to compete in prefectural and national Wushu contests. They developed their style into the present-day Hua Quan. Cai Wanzhi of Jining, during the Jiaqing reign of the Ming Dynasty (1522-1566), put the finishing touch to Hua Quan by writing a book The Secrets of Hua, Quan. He based his book on the traditional philosophy of combining spirit, breath and ego.

Cai Guiqin, grandson of one of the few remaining martial artists of Caixing, a village in Jining, was born in the third year in the reign of Emperor Guangxu of the Qing Dynasty (1877) and was fond of Wushu as a little boy. He learned martial arts from his grandfather and after his death, was forced by poverty to move away from Caixing to a district outside the southern gate of the city wall of Jining. Thanks to this migration, Cai Guiqin met with Ding Yushan, a well-known expert in Shandong Province for his mastery of Hua Quan. Cai studied with Ding for three years and later became a contemporary Hua Quan master during the late Qing Dynasty.

In the 23rd year of the reign of Emperor Guangxu of the Qing Dynasty (1897), Cai Guiqin traveled alone in south China. Eventually he met and discussed martial arts with Qiu Jin, a woman revo-lutionary from Shaoxing in Zhejiang Province, in Shanghai in 1906. In the ninth year of the Republic (1920), Cai Guiqin met with Dr. Sun Yat-sen before going to teach Wushu to government officials in the headquarters of the Republic in Guangzhou. After the death of Sun, Cai went on traveling before settling in Shanghai for the rest of his life. Hua Quan was spread as he traveled through Hubei, Jiangxi, Hunan and Henan provinces.

Hua Quan is characterized by its flawless, well connected movements, lightening-like speed and rock-still stances. Boxers breathe deeply to spread air flows throughout the body and body movements are a result of mental activity .

[Judge Pen]

In your learning have you learned of a relation to Hua Mountain? I was taught that our Hua forms emmulate the road to the temple on hua mountain: hence lots of low to high stance transitions.

I'm just now learing the first road and its a b!tch to nail a low stance and hold it rock solid before springing around to three of four more postures before nailing another stance. Really pretty but a pain to learn for un "unflexible" types.

[MasterKiller]

Who knows....there's a bunch of "Hua" sounding styles. Essence, Flower, Transformed, China-Style are all pronounced "wha," but use different Chinese characters. I'd bet if you had the Chinese character NorthernShaolin could nail it down, or come close.

[Judge Pen]

I do have the characters, but I don't know how to scan them in.

[MasterKiller]

Kinkos will put it on disk for you, if you don't have access to a scanner. Or take a picture of the document with a digitial camera.

[Judge Pen]

I may do the kinko route. I'll see what I can come up with.

[SevenStar]

good thread so far.

[norther practitioner]

Good posts MK..


From what I've seen, I'd put everything I've seen from songshan in the long fist category. Same with BSL.

[WanderingMonk]

Judge pen,

I'll save you the trouble, here's two chinese "hua" characters (1st is the hua mountain, 2nd is flower)

wm

[Starchaser107]

thanks ppl.