ATTN: Merry

[Water Dragon]

Have you seen this article yet? (http://www.emptyflower.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=Xing;action=display;num=1081945993)

It has some good pics of a few SC grips.

[Merryprankster]

Thanks!

i always like seeing the slight variations in things.

[Water Dragon]

So you guys have all of those? cool. I've not seen covr hand or arm locking anywhere but SC myself. How do you guys use those 2?

[Meat Shake]

"kicking to the head is the same as punching at the enemy's toe"
Great quote. Never really thought of it like that.

...
But crocop gives good example of why kicking to the head works.

[ShaolinTiger00]

Cool aikido locks!

[Merryprankster]

instead of whacking them in cover hands, you can go a no gi tai otoshi or yama arashi - you just go to their shoulder instead. or into collar and elbow or neck surround...

i prefer to use an arm drag off cover hands, however.

arm locking leads to several set-ups and a few one-armed throws. you have to understand that we don't go for the elbow joint though. illegal!

[Meat Shake]

elbow locks are illegal in judo tournies?

Edit: from my understanding, any lock (except small joints) is allowed in shuai chiao tournies, as long as its used in conjunction with a throw.

[Merryprankster]

you can't target the joint during a throw.

[Water Dragon]

OK, I think you misunderstood how to use cover hands. It CAN be a strike, but here's how I learned it.

Grab the gi at the wrist with your left hand. Grab the gi at the bicep with your right hand. Jam the right elbow into where the pec meets the shoulder. You use your right elbow tip as a fulcrum to move the guy around.

[Merryprankster]

oh, it looked like an elbow strike in the picture.

but yeah, you and i are talking about the exact same thing. Rhadi sent me flying with that grip.

st00 uses it for his yama arashi.

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
Cool aikido locks!


Originally posted by Merryprankster
st00 uses it for his yama arashi.

[Merryprankster]

i should also point out that because we can't target the elbow, in either wrestling or judo, arm locking is a fleeting transitory thing. you get it, you go, or it's trouble.

[Meat Shake]

WD - you ever use butterfly hands to get to neck surrounding?
Do you guys primarily focus on jacket wrestling?

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by Merryprankster
]...in either wrestling or judo, arm locking is a fleeting transitory thing. you get it, you go, or it's trouble.

same deal in SC. Next time you can get one, don't think submission. Instead, think turn the waist and PULL with the arm that has the elbos and sweep him out as he goes past you.

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
WD - you ever use butterfly hands to get to neck surrounding?
Do you guys primarily focus on jacket wrestling?

I haven't seen Butterfly Hands yet. We're focusing on the jacket now because of BJJ. when I get to San An, I'll focus on whatever Kirk gives me.

[Merryprankster]

no no, that's how we use it too. i was thinking that since you can target the elbow, maybe you'd follow him around more. obviously not!


http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/yamaarashi.htm

see the top animation - cover hands. it's just a tad higher grip than what you described, but it IS an animated gif.
i've had it done several times on my biceps.

[Merryprankster]

let me guess - butterfly hands is when you bring both arms inside the opponents two armed grab for you, and then make the appropriate deflection to either side as you move in for (insert tie-up here)?

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by Merryprankster


http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/yamaarashi.htm

see the top animation - cover hands. it's just a tad higher grip than what you described, but it IS an animated gif.
i've had it done several times on my biceps.

Yup, that's it. Works real nice with O Soto too.

[Merryprankster]

yup.

[Nick Forrer]

A lot of these actions appear very similiar to some of the ones you will find in Wing Chun- although of course at close range and human physiology being what it is maybe that nots surprising.

Wing chun has a lot of good unbalancing techniques- virtually all of them working off of control and manipulation of the nearest/attacing elbow- either pulling down at a 45 degree gradient or pushing up at a 45 degree gradient.

[Merryprankster]

although of course at close range and human physiology being what it is maybe that nots surprising.

god forbid we're all doing the same things, with different emphases, under different names! that would just be awful! :D

I like thinking what I do is special and unique better. It's so much of an ego boost that way to think that only i have super secret squirrel skills!

[Nick Forrer]

In wing chun there is a saying

'loy lau, hoi song, lat sau jik chung'

roughly translated it means if they push you- pull them, if they pull you- push them and if they dont do either smash the f_uck out of them.

dont know how effective it would be against squirrels though:(

[ShaolinTiger00]

WD - you ever use butterfly hands to get to neck surrounding?

C'mon WD impress me, show us "JAZZ HANDS!"

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00


C'mon WD impress me, show us "JAZZ HANDS!"

Sorry, I can't. Both hands are currently stuck to a big set of juicy bewbies.

[Merryprankster]

OH SNAP!!!

LOL at both!

Sounds like Jizz Hands to me!!

[Water Dragon]

You mean you can't tell the difference between jizz and bewbie milk mp?

[Merryprankster]

when your hands are STUCK, i admit i have to wonder!

[ShaolinTiger00]

This thread now offends me! :mad:

*drinks glass of "milk"*

[red5angel]

Sorry, I can't. Both hands are currently stuck to a big set of juicy bewbies.


Then you need to lose some serious weight WD.....

[ShaolinTiger00]

Then you need to lose some serious weight WD.....

It's those late night munchies that kill him...

[red5angel]

I bet they swing hypnotically when he does his forms too.

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00


It's those late night munchies that kill him...

Late night carpet munching mebbe...

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by Water Dragon


Late night carpet munching mebbe... I dunno where you shop, but my wife is fat free. Maybe yours isn't Atkins friendly? Gyne-Lotrimin should take care of that. :o

[ShaolinTiger00]

and by "wife" MK means "life partner". :cool:

[red5angel]

I bet WD's life partner has pendiluos breasticles as well

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
This thread now offends me! :mad:

*drinks glass of "milk"*
How many men did you have to milk to fill that glass?

[ShaolinTiger00]

just one. Ap was backed up..



exhibit A (http://www.uniqueprojects.com/projects/yogurt/yogurtbig.jpg)

[Chang Style Novice]

Mmmm...man chowder....

[MonkeySlap Too]

Actually WD's wife looks like a Russian swimsuit model. No lie.

Sorry for letting it out of bag buddy...

[SevenStar]

Mrs dubya does get two thumbs up...

[ShaolinTiger00]

WTF? PICS!

[MonkeySlap Too]

Too bad man, you gotta have special secret unique knowledge if you want to see missus dubya d.

Frankly in about a year I think she'll be able to smack down most of the guys on this board too, so consider this a preventative warning against talking smack.

[Meat Shake]

Does miss dubya have a sister?
:D

butterfly hands... strange and hard to describe.
I will do so tomorrow with less high power magic grass in my brain.

[ShaolinTiger00]

you gotta have special secret unique knowledge if you want to see missus dubya d.

oh no... nah... uh uh..

WD owes me. He's seen mi esposa's cleavage! and I even suspect he's hiding under the bed right now!

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00


oh no... nah... uh uh..

WD owes me. He's seen mi esposa's cleavage! and I even suspect he's hiding under the bed right now!

Why haven't the rest of us?

[ShaolinTiger00]

Why haven't the rest of us?

You tell me KKM?

:p

[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00


oh no... nah... uh uh..

WD owes me. He's seen mi esposa's cleavage! and I even suspect he's hiding under the bed right now!

lol. I still don't have a digital camera :(

Actually I'm back home. I was able to sneak out while you were distracted with some, uhhh, Kiwi Fruits.