The correct flew into my hand and I seized it

[IronFist]

Beer.

[Chang Style Novice]

The correct flew into my hand and I seized it and then it squirted white goop all over my knuckles.

[blooming lotus]

lol.....

ditto...but inthe way of some crazy Chinese rice wine :D


....non drinker ( beside red-wine)...but I was the guest of the boss........


business is business ;) :D :p

[cerebus]

Hey BL, I hope you're responding to Ironfist's post and not CSN's (all that talk about your boss and "business" though....).

[IronFist]

Beer.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
lol.....

ditto...but inthe way of some crazy Chinese rice wine :D


....non drinker ( beside red-wine)...but I was the guest of the boss........


business is business ;) :D :p

How can you be a non-drinker when you drink red wine? Kinda like saying you are celibate but will shag on weekends :D

[blooming lotus]

now you're getting it.......



just kidding....not to be a thread hog or anything or but red wine is healthier to drink than it is to not?????

I'm sure my master will forbid it any time now anyway...so really ...just lock me in as a non-drinker :( :) :D :cool:

[joedoe]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
now you're getting it.......



just kidding....not to be a thread hog or anything or but red wine is healthier to drink than it is to not?????

I'm sure my master will forbid it any time now anyway...so really ...just lock me in as a non-drinker :( :) :D :cool:

I wouldn't bet on that. Red wine can be good for you, but not drinking it is not bad for you either ;)

[blooming lotus]

dude....


3 good reasons to red wine

1. staves off prostate caner in men

2. promotes certain qi

3. unique detox found in no other substance


no make that 4. good reasons

and

4. because nearly every person who has lived over 100yr old...does this daily

thank you

[joedoe]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
dude....


3 good reasons to red wine

1. staves off prostate caner in men

2. promotes certain qi

3. unique detox found in no other substance


no make that 4. good reasons

and

4. because nearly every person who has lived over 100yr old...does this daily

thank you

1. Antioxidants can be found in a number of foods, and are probably more useful in staving off cancer than the red wine itself (even though red wine is supposed to be high in antioxidants). They also say that regular ejaculation staves off prostate cancer in men, but it doesn't mean I am going to be jacking off every 5 minutes.

2. It is difficult to either confirm nor refute this. I am sure this is what have been taught, however my sifu told us that the only alcohol that is 'good' for your qi is brandy/cognac and that all other alcohol should be taken in moderation.

3. Can you give me more info on this? Articles if possible.

4. This cannot really be proven.

I am not trying to be a pr!ck here. I am genuinely interested in any information you have on the subject.

[SifuAbel]

I no longer have to seize the correct. I have a girlfriend. :D

[Serpent]

Originally posted by joedoe

1. Antioxidants can be found in a number of foods, and are probably more useful in staving off cancer than the red wine itself (even though red wine is supposed to be high in antioxidants). They also say that regular ejaculation staves off prostate cancer in men, but it doesn't mean I am going to be jacking off every 5 minutes.

But you still do. Why is that?

[blooming lotus]

pm godesschick...( what'sher name????) on the tcm boards...don't have any linksheremyself right now, but she gave me some good information a while back .....

if you're genuine, flick through those threads

[Losttrak]

1. staves off prostate cancer in men


Nothing beats the old fashioned fap when it comes to prostate cancer, so I doubt there is any need to supplement your current workout regimen. :D

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by joedoe


1. They also say that regular ejaculation staves off prostate cancer in men, but it doesn't mean I am going to be jacking off every 5 minutes.



Why not? Red5 siad it's been working for him...


When she said detox properties, I'm thinking she meant antioxidants, which you had already addressed. That's not unique to only red wine though.

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
1. staves off prostate caner in men
Antioxidants. Also found in just about anything containing vitamin C.


2. promotes certain qiWhy?

How?


3. unique detox found in no other substanceAntioxidants. Also found in just about anything containing vitamin C. The only other thing you could be referring to is tannin, also found in Western tea and a few other things like rosehips, gingko...


4. because nearly every person who has lived over 100yr old...does this dailyYou're making this up as you go along aren't you? Japan has the highest percentage of centenarians (and let's face it, in most countries it wouldn't even register as a percentage!) and approximately a third of Japanese people don't drink alcohol due to a genetic indisposition, and those who do mostly drink nihonshu (sake) or shochu. Sake is supposed to be good for you in moderation. Shochu would have killed Lee Marvin quicker. They do not drink red wine in any quantity, if at all.

The correct has once again squirted on your face and left the building before morning.

:D

[IronFist]

Reasons not to drink red wine:

1. It's nasty

But I'm just getting into wine now, and the only ones I've liked have both been whites (Riesling and Viognier<sp>). Every red wine I've tried has been nasty, as in like, I would have to force myself to drink it, and most of the whites (chardonnay, cabernet sauvignon, etc.) weren't very good either.

Maybe I'll like it more as I age.

[Meat Shake]

Smoke pot.

[rubthebuddha]

IF -- you ever think that red wine tastes too "buttery?" something about it reminds me of rancid butter, and i'm of similar preference for rieslings, etc.

[blooming lotus]

white wine is poison, cab sauv is red and yes, has antioxidanrts

try the red, especially when eating pork promotes liver qi..alsoif you drink in te morning :D clears previous nights toxins...


viking goddess is who I was trying to think of ....nice try but no...red wine has unique properties, but you'll have to do your own tcm search to find out why

[mickey]

Greetings,

Will someone help me here?

I remember reading that the consumption of grape juice or red grape juice is as good for the prostate as red wine is and it is a lot cheaper. And it still has those antioxidant properties.

mickey

[blooming lotus]

woroldwide research from many sources havediscovered 10 things that these folks all have in common....drinking red wine is one of them

[CaptinPickAxe]

In Texas (a.k.a. The Land of the Beer Kings) we belive nothing compliments a coooooooold brew like some fiyah.

[blooming lotus]

grape juice is good, so is grape seed but there's something extremely benificial in the fermentation process that is unique to red wine only

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
woroldwide research from many sources havediscovered 10 things that these folks all have in common....drinking red wine is one of them

Ooooohhhh, you were talking about the mythical half-man/half-horses! Well, honey, they don't exist, but I'm sure they'd drink red wine if they did.


mickey
I remember reading that the consumption of grape juice or red grape juice is as good for the prostate as red wine is and it is a lot cheaper. And it still has those antioxidant properties.
I'm pretty sure you're correct, but it won't help you shoot qi-balls. Might stop you getting those big furry qi-balls on your tongue in the morning though.

[blooming lotus]

have you ever read a book???

[Serpent]

Did you actually read Matt's post about Japanese people?

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
have you ever read a book??? Several. Relevance?

Could you give me a link to just one of your many woroldwide research sources please, or at least the name of a book?

And while you're at it, something about this 'something extremely benificial in the fermentation process'? Cheers.

[mickey]

Hello Mat,

For the record:

My qi balls don't need help with shooting.

Sincerely,

mickey

[IronFist]

BL, I meant sauvignon blanc. My bad.

[joedoe]

IF, red wine is an acquired taste but once you acquire it you will never look back. Get yourself a good cab sauv and drink it while eating a good steak - one of life's greatest pleasures :)

BL, I do not doubt that drinking red wine is beneficial for your health. My only problem is with your contention that not drinking it is detrimental to your health ;).

[Toby]

Originally posted by IronFist
Reasons not to drink red wine:

1. It's nasty

But I'm just getting into wine now, and the only ones I've liked have both been whites (Riesling and Viognier<sp>). Every red wine I've tried has been nasty, as in like, I would have to force myself to drink it, and most of the whites (chardonnay, cabernet sauvignon, etc.) weren't very good either.

Maybe I'll like it more as I age.
:eek: :eek: OMFG Iron! Wash your mouth out! Dunno about those American reds, but we've got some gold over here. OTOH, when I visited SF some time ago my wife's cousins took us up to Napa Valley and we had some good'uns there too. Nothing better than a bottle of red on a winter's evening.

[fa_jing]

A very nice white wine, which is not expensive, is "Liebfraumilch"

Translates to "Milk of the Love Maid" but don't let that sway you....:)

[blooming lotus]

Originally posted by joedoe
IF, red wine is an acquired taste but once you acquire it you will never look back. Get yourself a good cab sauv and drink it while eating a good steak - one of life's greatest pleasures :)

BL, I do not doubt that drinking red wine is beneficial for your health. My only problem is with your contention that not drinking it is detrimental to your health ;).

I wish peoplewouldstopputting wordsin my mouth....

i have never said it wasspecifically dtrimentalnot to , just more benificial to have....

and as for thesteak, we're talking jhealth,not pleasure, and I said por...for liver qi

good for those folks with toomuch heat in their liver ( ie: anger mgmnt issues)

check out tcm eating for health, I'm sure your local library or bookshop will havesome....


CENTAURIANS ..and how to....

link ...don't have one....but "good medicine" magazine in Australia have a site annd often run articles along these lines.... good publication: cheap subscription.....

[Toby]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
I wish peoplewouldstopputting wordsin my mouth....

i have never said it wasspecifically dtrimentalnot to , just more benificial to have....


Originally posted by blooming lotus
... but red wine is healthier to drink than it is to not ...

[joedoe]

just kidding....not to be a thread hog or anything or but red wine is healthier to drink than it is to not?????

So this does not imply that not drinking red wine is detrimental to your health?

As for the steak, I only ever said it was for pleasure not for health. Given that the vast majority of the population drink wine for pleasure rather than health, I thought it was a valid statement to make. Forgive me if I am mistaken.

I don't want to get into a p!ssing match about this. I have a genuine interest in the subject and, in particular, would like to find out what you know about the TCM POV wrt. red wine as it differs from what I have been taught. If you cannot be bothered enlightening me on the subject then that is fine - just say so. :)

[blooming lotus]

is something not connecting here...letsnot get into another petty bs time-wasting coversation ha?...but not drinking red wine will not make you suffer...(unless you develop prostate cancer )...drinking rd wine will benifit you

comprehende??

read a book ordo a search..if my information is so unreliable...find your own sources :rolleyes:

[joedoe]

OK, I will assume you just can't be bothered to enlighten me on what you know on the subject. That is fine. :) However, please don't assume that because I am asking you about what you know on the subject that it means I know nothing on the subject.

FWIW my father is an acupuncturist - I typed up every paper he had to write to gain his qualifications and spent a lot of time reading his textbooks. While I do not claim to be knowledgeable about TCM, I do know something of it.

Further, I shared a house with a naturopath for 3 years and spent much time learning about the human body and the effects of herbs and chemicals from him. Again, while I do not claim any expertise I have some knowledge of the field.

I also read quite extensively and try to keep abreast of the latest medical research (my interest is usually focused on asthma as I suffer quite badly from it, however matters of general wellbeing interest me). From what I know of the research into red wine, the main benefits of red wine consumption come from the antioxidants contained within red wine.

If you want to talk about the detox qualities of various foods, many food can have a detox effect of various different organs - for example mung beans.

As for the claim of most centenarians having drunk red wine regularly, completely not provable. Unless you can show the study you drew that from and the methodology they used in the study then that statement is pure conjecture.

Well, since I don't drink red wine very often I'd better go back to jerking off :D

[blooming lotus]

it's not just the antioxidant qualties that sells me...it's extremely good for breaking protein when you're taining seriously and doing bulk....there is nothing else that does the same job as effectively......

you like to stay abreast of crrent medical research??? what a co-incidence..I'm more often than not just a few paces ahead....I'm sure some funny dude'll say something impressive...but wtf eva

crux: no pressure , but good for best health

[joedoe]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
it's not just the antioxidant qualties that sells me...it's extremely good for breaking protein when you're taining seriously and doing bulk....there is nothing else that does the same job as effectively......

you like to stay abreast of crrent medical research??? what a co-incidence..I'm more often than not just a few paces ahead....I'm sure some funny dude'll say something impressive...but wtf eva

crux: no pressure , but good for best health

OK, I'll take your word for it. :)

So you are a few paces ahead of most in keeping abreast of medical research, or you are a few paces ahead of medical research itself? ;)

[Toby]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
you like to stay abreast of crrent medical research??? what a co-incidence..I'm more often than not just a few paces ahead....I'm sure some funny dude'll say something impressive...but wtf eva

OMFG! Not a funny dude, and nothing impressive to say. You say it all, BL.

[blooming lotus]

are you asking sincerely???

for many yrs when I pick up a med paper declaring "new" findings they're conclusions I came up with way back...I'm sure I'm not alone though, if you practice some problem solving and think abuot it long enough you'llnormally find your ownanswers too.

almost decided to study medicine last yr or med research or something...... but I juust wanna practice gongfu

[Serpent]

I really think some of you should club together and get bl a psychiatrist. I would, but I don't like her.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
are you asking sincerely???

for many yrs when I pick up a med paper declaring "new" findings they're conclusions I came up with way back...I'm sure I'm not alone though, if you practice some problem solving and think abuot it long enough you'llnormally find your ownanswers too.

almost decided to study medicine last yr or med research or something...... but I juust wanna practice gongfu

I have always tried to ask nicely :)

Interesting. Maybe you should go into med research and do the world a favour. If you do, please do some research into asthma for me because it is killing me.

[mickey]

Hello joedoe,

Have you checked yourself for possible allergies?

mickey

[joedoe]

Originally posted by mickey
Hello joedoe,

Have you checked yourself for possible allergies?

mickey

I have done the rounds of the medical specialists. Started off with a respiratory specialist (to assess my asthma more fully), then went to an ear/nose/throat specialist (to see if my sinus problems are aggravating my asthma), then to an immunologist (to check for allergies and possibly desensitisation therapy), and now the immunologist doubts the diagnosis (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) of the first respiratory specialist and is sending me to another respiratory specialist for a second opinion. So, after tomorrow I will find out just how screwed I am. :)

I am stuck in a bit of a catch-22 because there is a suspicion that my sinuses are making my asthma worse and require surgery, however my lung function is currently so poor that no surgeon would operate on me :(

Anyway, back on topic :)

[blooming lotus]

maybe your asthma is environmental, I know my brother had severe asthma as a child, we moved somewhere warmer and he picked up some swimming, little athletics etc, lost his asthma and kicked but* on the track

Serpent....I think literally, I could be your psyciatrist....but I don't like you either...lol....just kidding, don't care enough to feel either way .....


thx for the offer anyway :eek:

[Serpent]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
Serpent....I think literally, I could be your psyciatrist
Oh man, that's just too funny!

[joedoe]

Thanks for all the asthma advice peeps. I am seeing a specialist today, so hopefully I will gain some more enlightenment on my condition.

[blooming lotus]

you should try it from this chair

[Serpent]

Surprised you can fit in a chair with your ego.

[blooming lotus]

or with my couselling degree, physcology studies or my nlp files.....then again...no...maybe it's my IQ filling the gap :rolleyes:

[Serpent]

:o

[joedoe]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
or with my couselling degree, physcology studies or my nlp files.....then again...no...maybe it's my IQ filling the gap :rolleyes:

What is couselling and physcology? :D

Well, the doc said I wasn't going to die from my asthma any time soon and is trying to alter my medication to try and address the problem. Other than that it is just another battery of tests to be done.