worst atkins story you've heard

[rubthebuddha]

i'll start. roommate told me tonight as i downed my protein shake tonight that his co-worker, who is rather large to begin with, had a protein shake for lunch every day -- and mixes it with half-&-half instead of water or milk.

[Serpent]

What's half-&-half?

[Toby]

I've heard that when I start (ketogenic diet, not Atkins), I won't be allowed to eat potato chips or chocolate :eek:.

Oh yeah, what Serpent said.

[blooming lotus]

it's just the sugar that's nopt such a great idea...fat ( providing you work your handles...is no biggie ;) )

anyway...also have been doing keto plan for long long time...here in China a protein shake is a foreign concept, so searching for different sources available locally...spoke to my schools pe teacher......turtle...he reckons we should eat freakin turtle .......


apparently more than 10 x protein of eggs??? can't f*ck with that logic but forgive me 'cause I plan to do it and enjoy the respective health....

go figure....oh and while we're talking exotic meats...donkey will make you live long time!!! MM hmm...tastes like corned beef...

crazy long living make-do-with-what's available folks...


Buhdd...try your shakes with goats milk and cows' milk....restore your viscous and speed upu yuor metabolism...little strong flavoured and takes a bit of getting used to but worth the effort ;)

[Spark]

I think he means half and half CREAM! THAT'S SICK!

[MasterKiller]

Crazy Atkins story? How about Dr. Atkins was a 240-lb fat @ss when he fell off that ladder and killed himself.

[yangchengfu04]

First of all, Dr Atkins didn't fall off a ladder. He slipped on some ice in front of his building. The man is a legend, he was in his 70's and played tennis 4 days a week while running a billion-dollar company. As far as him being 240lbs, that is not really true. He bloated up in the hospital before he died and that's what the media used to describe his weight. It was due to the accident and the drugs they had him on (before his death). The man's everyday weight was 195lbs and that was verifyed by anyone who really bothered to check. Atkins was the man!! I live by his way of eating and never felt better; been doing it for a few years now.

[Spark]

Jared, is that you?

[IronFist]

Originally posted by Spark
I think he means half and half CREAM! THAT'S SICK!

Agreed.

[rubthebuddha]

half-&-half is half milk, half cream.

bl -- the purpose of my protein supplementation is to supplement protein. i get enough of other foods throughout the day.

except pocky. one can never get enough pocky.

[Toby]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
...turtle...he reckons we should eat freakin turtle ...


apparently more than 10 x protein of eggs??? can't f*ck with that logic but forgive me 'cause I plan to do it and enjoy the respective health...

While I can't find a figure, I'll say at a guess that he's full of ****. So yeah, I will **** with that logic. Eggs contain around 11-12% protein IIRC. So turtle contains 110% protein? Most high quality lean meats are around the 25% mark, including muscular animals like kangaroo and emu (and probably other stuff like venison and crocodile). I'd say turtle would be in the same range. If he'd said 2 x protein of eggs, or even 3 x protein of eggs I would've been more inclined to believe him.

BTW U.S. guys, kangaroo is considered pet food over here instead of gourmet meat. As a result, price == very cheap compared with beef, lamb, pork. Good quality meat, very lean and quite tasty ;).

Oh yeah, Rub, for us non-U.S. guys, what's pocky?

[rubthebuddha]

pocky (http://www.alde.com/anime/pocky1.html)

[IronFist]

Toby, maybe that guy meant that they have 10 times the amount of protein. Like an egg has 9g of protein, so maybe a turtle has 90g. Wow, turtles aren't that big, are they? Maybe he meant those huge swimming turtles.

[Toby]

Iron, that's meaningless. You've gotta talk in %. E.g. I could eat 200ml of egg white (which I do each morning - yuk!) and get 20-something grams of protein. OTOH I could eat a teaspoon of turtle and get 1g of protein. So unless he said "400g of turtle has more than 10x the protein of 1 egg", it's gonna be crap. IMHO it's just another vague BL statistic pulled from her ass (Hi, BL! :D).

The topic of eating turtles is a whole other thing. Turtles are just one of those things I wouldn't ever eat unless they were farmed for it. Especially sea turtle. I also wouldn't take any TCM that involved e.g. tiger *****, bear paw, etc, etc. OTOH I will eat venison, kangaroo, emu, crocodile, etc. But not endangered stuff.


Mmm, pocky.

[blooming lotus]

now you're feeling me because until 1-2 mths ago i was a serious vego!!...but if you're out in the midle of nowhere and have no western pc choices available...are you gonna take the health or are you you going oto hang on to your precious pre-coceived standards ofacceptability...do you want the health or dont you???

the figures on turlte may be a little off, but truly...olympic athletes here lived and ( i'm assuming ) still do on turtle as a huge and reliable source of protein...

also at present doing 1st thing am egg whites....try throwing 4-ish in some milk and shaking the sh*t out of it...makes it just a little easier to down ;)

buhdd..if you're only in the bars for protein, there are much more efficient sources...often, the sugar, fat and complex carb just isn't worth the few grams of protein you get...try some lightly batterd fish..even fried is ok...or milk and egg whites as above...several boiled egg-whites with no more than one yellow....a shake is optimum, but watch your carbs..in weight-loss is one of the most important factors...even to the point whre you can get away with minimal excercise...get seroious already...give yourself one month on such a programme ( say..it's just 4 wks...just 4 wks)...and by the end you'll've either lost sopmuch weight hat you're happy to continue comfortabley, or will be feeling so deprived that you go directly for a big-mac..triple beef , + fries, a shake and an apple pie...if you do this...please treat yourself to a laxitive...I am not embarresed to admit, that they are are a regular part of my diet...once you understand them and howto make best best use of them, high doses...as in 9, 11, 13 & 17 several times a day for several times a wekk...are part of grweat health...don't forget your fluids though, and unxderstand what activates them...Ie sugars...equal, jelly, fats..etc... soon you will have pooping down to a fine art ;)

it doesn't sound attractive but everyone does it and it a direct measure ofhealth...feel free not to comment,buut check it out 'cauase you'll never look back....I like ford senna or liu cha and skinny tea???

be preapered to put in committment...if you can deal withthe cramps of cleansing ...the rest takes care of it self and pretty soon you'll shed lb sand rip easily .......fluids andsalts...potassium andprotein,,,fats and sugars, hot and cold....

anyone do this for 2 wks...and tell me you don't feel seriously effective....

;) bl

[Vash]

complex carbs = good stuff.

[blooming lotus]

yes complex carbs are essential for every thing from a healthy to nervous sytem and brain function to building mass...

in western society it is so easy to consume waaaay more than you need and never realise your porblem..in weight loss or cutting bf...go low carb, watch your sugars and eat raw or fresh where possible....

also lipid balancing or blood-fat vigilance is crucial for an immune system running at it's best...

if doing laxatives or serious firber supplement , pls explore black coffee first thing in the morning and alternate hot/cold fluids durig the day...you will soon bo extremely intimate with parts of your body you didn't know you had....> result -: best health...the more of our body you know, the better you learn to manage it

[blooming lotus]

ps..committment here is totally neccsssary...your intitia cleanse can go beyopnd discomfort into pain.... I believe that breathing techs are developed at these times forcing you to utilise your lower diagram..hence serious iron skill profieniecy.....sounds crazy but check it out for your self and breath your pain/discomfort out through your lower diaphram......good way to practice detatchment from physical pain (??up your pain threshold anyone ??? ) ...and it will hurt.....but fear not..bl walked this path before and lived to give rave reviews ......:D :D ;)

[Toby]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
now you're feeling me because until 1-2 mths ago i was a serious vego!!
You don't post like a "vego" (vegetarian or vegan?) :confused:. Otherwise you would be just "soy, soy, soy".

Originally posted by blooming lotus
...but if you're out in the midle of nowhere and have no western pc choices available...are you gonna take the health or are you you going oto hang on to your precious pre-coceived standards ofacceptability...do you want the health or dont you???
Doesn't matter where the **** I am, I won't eat or otherwise consume bear, tiger, etc. Turtle? If I had no other choice, like on a desert island scenario or they were farmed for it. Those little guys are just too susceptible to human abuse. Plus they live so long - why should I cut their life short for my stomach and muscular development? I read the other day that some tortoise in England died after estimated 150ish yrs IIRC. Little guy was like a mascot for some lord's family and was passed down the generations. Then again, my experience in Oz is with sea turtles. Maybe freshwater turtles aren't as endangered. Donkey? Sure. They're feral here in places.

Originally posted by blooming lotus
the figures on turlte may be a little off, but truly...olympic athletes here lived and ( i'm assuming ) still do on turtle as a huge and reliable source of protein...Wtf? BL agreeing she may be wrong and not responding to me with abuse? Arrgh - my world's falling apart! I'm in the bizarro universe! :D

Anyway, Chinese Olympic athletes do a lot of things. That doesn't mean they're right. Case in point - those "female" Chinese swimmers a few years ago (at the World's? or Olympics?).


Originally posted by blooming lotus
also at present doing 1st thing am egg whites....try throwing 4-ish in some milk and shaking the sh*t out of it...makes it just a little easier to downHere in western pc land I just go to my local Coles supermarket. They sell frozen cartons of 1L of egg whites. I buy out their stock and keep it in the freezer. Pretty messy ****. Nowhere near as nice as separating an egg myself, but I hate throwing away yolks every day. The egg whites are hard to look at. Thick yellow consistency and the little white bits from an egg (umbilical cord?) gather together so sometimes a large white lump the size of a poached egg comes out of the carton with a loud plop. Thank god for the Bamix!

[blooming lotus]

I guess my committment to my health is justification enough....

I prefer not to eat any meat whatsoeva but if it'sa choice between eating something I'm not familiar with and getting sick dying or worse.....having to become latent :eek: :eek: ...I'll just take the food...and I won't even make a fuss because to me that's just a little precious.....take the food , do your workout and quit complaining...

I guess westerners takealot of modern conveniences for granted..probably a big part of the reason for so many people experiencing culture shock when they come here. I think someone said in another thread that monks are no ordinary people ( even though they will beg to differ)...same goes for many chinese people and others in devloping nations.....the constitution of these folks is extraordinary...something you just don't see like that in the west......and diet isn't even half of it

enjoy your meal ;)

[Toby]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
I guess my committment to my health is justification enough....

...I'll just take the food...and I won't even make a fuss because to me that's just a little precious.....take the food , do your workout and quit complaining...
Interesting point. I for one won't compromise my morals, regardless of the circumstances (well, almost - the movie Alive comes to mind). You may have (well, do have ;)) different morals to me so for you eating turtle is fine. But what about tiger *****, which I understand is a highly valued ingredient in some Asian countries? Would you eat tiger ***** soup if it were offered to you? At the risk of offending my hosts, I would never, never eat that. I would use the refusal as an opportunity to try to educate my hosts to why I think it's unacceptable practice.

In the meantime I'll continue to whinge and complain.

[cerebus]

Dude, I wouldn't eat ANY kinda pen!s soup, endangered or not! Bleah!

[Toby]

Lol! I thought that when I was typing it. But it's hard to think of a more majestic animal in so much trouble from humans that is valued so highly as a "TCM substance". IIRC it supposedly enhances virility. Why don't they just use viagra? :D Anyway, maybe another thing I wouldn't eat is shark fin soup due to the "fishing" practices. More "palatable" example? Sharks are often caught and finned and the fish thrown back in. Mostly still alive. :mad:

[Ka]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
I think someone said in another thread that monks are no ordinary people ( even though they will beg to differ)...same goes for many chinese people and others in devloping nations.....the constitution of these folks is extraordinary...something you just don't see like that in the west......and diet isn't even half of it
Us vs Them
Here we go again,desparate to paint difference,someone always better then others yeah?
Lucky humans all breathe the same air.

[blooming lotus]

you know....you pay somebody a compliment without it having a negative connotation to whoever the comment wasn't directed at :rolleyes:

as for pe*is soup...now you're just being your regular grown self....no I wouldn't...but if my life depended on it...maybe I would....I often do baga fasts and can go along time without food, but I'm not stupid and I am familiar with my limits....sorry dude...but generally 'm just too busy for juivenile trolling, so excuse me...



now back to reality........

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
it's just the sugar that's nopt such a great idea...fat ( providing you work your handles...is no biggie ;) )

that's a mistake that some people who do atkins make. They assume that since they are not eating carbs, they are cool. Some of them don't look at overall calorie intake, and still gain weight.

here in China a protein shake is a foreign concept, so searching for different sources available locally...spoke to my schools pe teacher......turtle...he reckons we should eat freakin turtle .......

apparently more than 10 x protein of eggs??? can't f*ck with that logic but forgive me 'cause I plan to do it and enjoy the respective health....

how about just eating fish?

[SevenStar]

"Eating turtle eggs is very common in Costa Rica and Central America
Countries. People believe that are afrodisiac. We did a chemistry
annalisis from the olive ridley eggs. we found that turtle egg is a half
of a hen egg in all their properties: proteins, carbohidrates, water
content, ash, fats, colesterol etc. The only difference was the turtle
egg have more protein content in the shell.."


here's something else I found. scroll down until you see turtle.

http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/greatlakesfish/ctable.html

[IronFist]

You guys are eating Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Donatello, and Raphael :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[Former castleva]

Endangered turtles "for" vicious superstition;
http://www.traffic.org/news/turtles.html

[Toby]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
as for pe*is soup...now you're just being your regular grown self....no I wouldn't...but if my life depended on it...maybe I would....I often do baga fasts and can go along time without food, but I'm not stupid and I am familiar with my limits....sorry dude...but generally 'm just too busy for juivenile trolling, so excuse me...

Stfu BL. I was trying to start up a legitimate discussion. I am able to discuss *****es without childish giggling. I hoped you would be able to too. Anyway, if you can't, then FC's example was a good illustration of why I wouldn't eat freshwater turtles/tortoises either. I know about saltwater ones and freshies in Oz. I suspected as much about freshies in SE Asia but held my tongue. Thanks FC.

[blooming lotus]

I sound like a savage...but I'm a vego..I swear it!! but If turtle is all there is...and it's the best sorce of nutrition that my body needs for the time( limits taken into acount)..according to my belief system, to not take it is silly..It stops me from acheiving all the good I can in the future because of precious thought..so I thank the turtle for his sacrifice ( very very quietly) and eat without complaint..and instead to honour his life am extremly appreciative and enjoy every bite...

Ps.dontalleo is the best tmnt!!! :D :D :cool:

[Toby]

As usual, you really send out mixed messages. You can't be a vegetarian and eat meat because of current circumstances. So, at the moment, no, you're not a vegetarian.

Also, is "achieving all the good you can" worth more than the survival of a particular turtle species? I realise that sounds all high and mighty from a meat eater, but my argument is I disagree with knowingly eating endangered animals.

Your comments make me :(.

[blooming lotus]

okay...i'll accept that...

but a. yes was a vegetarian until health called for some attention...

and B...no, life not worth more than an etire species but, really...have very small appetite and take only what I need with as little harm to any part of environment as poss....if I wasn't a buddhist I could nearly be hippy
:D ( providing coud keep my products ;) )

[Toby]

Originally posted by blooming lotus
... but, really...have very small appetite and take only what I need with as little harm to any part of environment as poss ...
All it takes is 1 billion Chinese with very small appetites ...

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now. I shouldn't try to impose my morals onto anyone else. It's not like I'm perfect myself ...