A Challenge

[Buddy]

Did I get your attention?
I pretty much dismiss this board as it tends to cater to children. Not meaning to be insulting but let's face it. A lot of the people who post here are teenage wannabes. That's fine. I was one myself many years ago. When I was young Kung Fu was on TV. THen a karate guy came to my small New England Town and did a demo and said he would have classes at the YMCA on Thursdays...Wait that's when Kung FU was on. So...... did I really want to do it or just watch it? So, I did it. And still do.
So here's my challenge. Let's make this small part of this board (as internal martial artists) worth reading and responding to. I am a very busy real estate investor, teacher and dad. I will try to do my part. You have seen in the past what a waste of time it is to have someone like backbreaker here simply because they might buy tapes. So you decide. I'm tired of the stupid sniping. What do you want from this board. The mods seem to be gutless (and yes Phil, I'm talking to you). BTW you have to unban Bai He
That's all,
Buddy

[cerebus]

Yeah, why was Bai He banned? He went apesh!t on trolls but I never saw him argue with anyone who had anything worthwhile to say. Unless you banned him 'cause you somehow associate him with the trolls (who NEEDED to get smacked down anyway). That seems a bit arbitrary.

[PHILBERT]

The banning of BAI HE and backbreaker was a decision not just by me. I warned BAI HE and backbreaker more times than I have fingers on my hand. We exchanged private messages back and forth and I told both of them to stop this crap and petty bickering. BAI HE agreed he would leave backbreaker alone and backbreaker the same to BAI HE.

Let's try and put it this way, in a bit of an extreme sense. If a man steals from my dad, I have no right to steal from that man. When one person trolls, flaming the troll will get you in just as much trouble. I observed the stuff that backbreaker and BAI HE said to one another. I told both of them that if one starts trouble, to send me a message. What did it for BAI HE was when he made a statement about backbreaker's mom and the Hell's Angels biker gang when backbreaker, in the thread, said nothing to him. backbrekaer then defended himself, and BAI HE quickly sent me an e-mail to say that backbreaker was starting crap. I read the thread, and saw that backbreaker had said nothing to BAI HE and BAI HE appeared on the thread flaming backbreaker. I then locked the thread until Gene could look at it.

I have no power over banning. My job is to let the adminitrators know who is causing trouble. Once they saw what was going on, they decided that BAI HE has had enough warnings. Then backbreaker, being the bright fellow he is (and I told him several times to stop flooding the message board), decided to start slamming you Buddy. So I locked the thread and sent a message to Gene. 15 minutes later I got a response and backbreaker was gone. I then reopened the thread.

The reason BAI HE was banned was because he decided to take it upon himself to insult backbreaker and insult his mother. backbreaker got banned because he decided to be rude to you. I respect you Buddy, and I understand what you are getting at. But the fact is, my job is to be sure people are not cursing one another out, making insults about there mothers, and what not.

I tried to be mature about it, I tried to find alternative methods. I spent an hour and a half sending messages back and forth when I gave my final warning to both of them. BAI HE had no reason to insult backbreaker, just like backbreaker had no reason to do it to you. That is why they are banned. I hated doing it, I really did. I felt it as the last possible choice, and went as far as to weed out threads that had the 2 of them bickering back and forth to try and keep a decent discussion. When BAI HE decided to insult backbreaker, then came whining to me, I realized it would never end. I can not be here 24/7 removing every unwanted post. If people want to talk about other people's moms, don't bring it to the public.

If BAI HE wants to return, tell him to e-mail Gene. His e-mail can be found in the About section of the site. Maybe Gene will let him come back.

[shawnsegler]

So, when you get rid of a perreniel trouble maker, you take the expedient way out to show you're impartial by jacking someone who called him on his bs?

Bai-He is a good guy who often contributes meaningful thought out statements to our community.

Backbreaker is an annoying maggot who on one occasion last year threatened to break my bones and smash my face for telling him he was annoying. He didn't man up then either.

Philbert, you are giving off the energy of an adolescent trailerpark mother who unable to deal with the fact that she has responsibility, hits anything that annoys her so she can get back to the important business of Oprah and a Benson and Hedges.

I encourage you to take it on yourself to look at the records of both involved "in depth" and maybe say you were a little wrong and that happens and let Bai-He back.

It's the right thing to do, man.

S

[PHILBERT]

You fail to realize, there are RULES to viewing these boards. You are not paying them to look here. You came here and post here for free. They make the rules and regulations. If they want to ban someone for no reason, they can, and there is nothing you can do to stop them. This is not a democracy on these boards, so you can't vote who stays and who goes.

By following the rules, you will increase the chances of staying. By breaking them, which BAI HE did, you will be banned. BAI HE wrote libel about backbreaker's mother. Wheather or not backbreaker was a troll was beside the point. I told BAI HE on more than one occasion to stop insulting backbreaker. I told backbreaker on more than one occasion to stop insulting anyone on here who disagrees with him. BAI HE agreed. backbreaker agreed. Neither lasted 2 months and both got banned. As I said, if BAI HE wants to return, e-mail Gene and apologize. Maybe Gene will allow him back.

[shawnsegler]

The point I'm trying to make is that you ignored these "rules" with backbreaker for a million years.

If you don't want to be seen as inconsistant, judgemental and petty give Bai-He the same chances you gave someone who is a thousand times worse.

Otherwise your method is skewed.

S

[cerebus]

WOW! No kidding! Shawn is SO right. What about when Crazymaddrunk (for example) was on here CONSTANTLY making comments about MY mother, father, grandparents, etc. and saying I was doing all sorts of horrible things with them? And I simply responded to him politely and calmly, again and again...and AGAIN! He was making similar comments about many others too, ALL OVER the forum, but it took forever before HE disappeared (I don't even know if he was banned or not, but I haven't seen him for awhile).

Then Bai He takes the initiative in a verbal attack ONCE and "POOF" he's gone! We all realize that this forum isn't a democracy but it would still be nice to see at least a LITTLE fairness and balance for a change.

[cerebus]

Well I just checked and SURE ENOUGH, even with all the garbage he spewed on a regular basis, Crazymaddrunk was never even banned. It's just like the real world, where murderers and child molesters get out of jail after a year (if they even go to jail in the first place) while a guy gets caught with a baggy of pot and they "make an example" of him by putting him away for 15 to 20. :(

Disappointing.

PS: And telling him to go to Gene and apologize when he wasn't even as bad as many others who were never even banned is an insult. It's like requiring him to get down on his knees while the real creeps stand around and smirk about it.

[PHILBERT]

As I said before, BAI HE did not just do it once. He did it several times too, then on top of that, he sent me a message saying backbreaker started it. When I looked at the thread, BAI HE was the one who started the trouble. As I said before, I can not be here 24/7. backbreaker had a tendency to edit his posts alot, and the only times I viewed him making any insults was when him and BAI HE got into it a few weeks ago (the first time BAI HE insulted him that I saw) and when I had him banned

Gene viewed those posts too before this happened, and agreed with me. I will also say what I told them. There is an amazing button that says "Report this post to moderator". If someone flames you, then send me a message. It will send a link to the very message you chose. I will then take the appropriate actions to that person.

In the end, BAI HE did NOT just flame backbreaker on once occasion. He did it on several, then tried to make it out to where backbreaker started it when BAI HE got banned. In fact, he clicked the "Report this post to moderator" and said something along the lines of (and this isn't an exact quote) "backbreaker is doing it again. I thought you said you would take care of it." When I reviewed it, I saw that the first post by backbreaker was an "lol! :D :) :D" or something like that, and about 3 posts down was BAI HE making comments about his mom. Did backbreaker edit it before I got to it? I don't know. He had a way of editing his posts alot, yet he would create new posts.

[cerebus]

Well, I HAVE seen several instances where BB would throw a bunch of insults to get someone (not always Bai He) to respond in kind and then he would go back & edit his previous post, thereby making it look like HE was being attacked. He did it to me once but I saw what he'd done and edited my own response appropriately, but most people won't go back and re-read the conversation they've been having and WOULDN'T have caught it.

This may not have been the case with EVERY post of Bai He's, but I suspect it was the case at least a couple of times.

[PHILBERT]

I'm gonna send this thread to Gene and let him do his $.02 on the subject. Not pushing for anyone to be banned or anything bad to happen, but let him see what he feels on the subject of the banning of BAI HE.

[cerebus]

Sounds fair enough.

[Brad]

Well, I HAVE seen several instances where BB would throw a bunch of insults to get someone (not always Bai He) to respond in kind and then he would go back & edit his previous post, thereby making it look like HE was being attacked.
Yeah, I noticed that too. He'd almost allways edit his posts after someone responded to them.

[GeneChing]

Let me outline the process of banning here to clear things up a bit; it's is very simple. Moderators are alerted of ban candidates in two ways - first off is first hand. They notice that a particular member is troublesome - typically its obscenity that pushes us over, but to be honest, our censor filters are far from perfect and if we deleted all the obscenity, we'd delete most of the forum. So we do the best we can. The next is from the 'report post' button that was mentioned above. This is pretty powerful. You have no idea how many people lurk on the forums and use these. Only the moderators know. Plus a lot of people PM us all the time.

Actually, there is a third method - my bosses sometimes lurk and since they pay the bills, they have ultimate veto power on anything.

Anyway, once a member has sufficent evidence against them - direct observation, reports from others, PMS etc. the moderator gives a clear warning. In a nutshell, it will say something like "behave or you will be banned". We draw a line in the sand. If the member then chooses to cross that, they will be banned. Period.

Now, banning is a very simple process. I just flip a switch on or off. Typically, troll react in one of three ways. One is they come back apologetic. In such cases, we listen to their case, and usually give a second chance. Two is they come back all mad like "why the hell was I banned?" Nevermind the earlier warning - the "line in the sand" - this is a clear case of someone who doesn't get it. With that kind of attitude, they stay banned. One of the recent banned members reacted this way. Three is that the completely ignore it - it really wasn't a big deal for them. They move on. The other recently banned member has reacted this way.

We appreciate your concerns as members of this forum, but realize this was not an arbitrary decision, but one that we have been working on for a while. Nor is it a permanent decision. Also realize that you may be spending energy to fight some one else's fight, some one who has moved on. Don't waste your self.

[cerebus]

And I know which member isn't terribly concerned, so I'll not argue that point any further.

However the other one simply signed on under a new name (Backbreaker also uses the name "serious harm" on other forums, seems he's using it here now too).

Oh well, it's only a matter of time before he's trolling again. Have fun when it happens. Peace. T.

[GeneChing]

Well, that's the other funny thing about banning is that there really is no way to ban someone on the internet. It's a token gesture. Anyone can always use a new account and start again. There is no way for us to control that. In fact, it really amuses me when banned members aren't intelligent enough to figure this out and argue violently to be reinstated. It also amuses me that people make such a big deal about banning.

So, we don't really ban the individual, we ban the user name. They can start up again with a new personality/forum name, and if they cross the line, we ban them again. Eventually, we hope they get tired because it is such a waste of energy, really. Stupid trolls are really obvious and get banned the second time pretty quickly because they are sooo obvious. Smart trolls creep back into the system and if they don't cross the line, well, that's fine. As long as nobody crosses the line, nobody gets banned.

There's got to be some control, even a token one, otherwise this will descend into just another internet porn site. :rolleyes: And that's not what CMA is about. Well, not usually. :p

[MasterKiller]

They can start up again with a new personality/forum name, and if they cross the line, we ban them again.
Instead of banning the Name, ban the IP address. I do it all the time on my board, and it works like a charm. Most people don't have access to more than one computer.

[GeneChing]

...but it doesn't really matter, it's easy enough to do it manually.
Most people don't have access to more than one computer. Actually, most do. There's internet cafes, libraries, schools, and you can always change your IP provider, or just get a new computer - you need to get a new computer every few years nowadays anyways, just to keep up. So IPs are very impermanent, like anything on the net. Just think, we'be all been on this forum for years, but with just one little click of a button, I could make the whole thing vanish. Not that I would do that, of course, but such is the nature of this media. It makes one treasure the moment more.

[8gates]

Bai-He is a good guy who often contributes meaningful thought out statements to our community.


That's one man's opinion...

[Buddy]

Two men, junior

[Chris_McKinley]

Bai He gives more content over at Empty Flower forum than 90% of the posters here are even capable of. The laughably inconsistent policy toward trolls is why KFM's forum is only a hollow shell of its former self. Nowadays, the trolls outnumber the posters here, and what's left is mostly absolute noobs who eventually move on when they realize that very little real information is exchanged here.

[GeneChing]

what's left is mostly absolute noobs who eventually move on well, what's left are the noobs and you - or are you about to move on too? :p

There is certainly an ebb and flow with any forum, but such is the nature of the beast. What you all must consider is that most of the dirty work of moderation is never seen by our members. In fact, that's the whole point.

As for the banning of Bai He, like I mentioned before, banning is just flicking a switch. We can un-ban him as easily as we banned him. We have un-banned many people previously for various reasons, mostly sincere apologies. Or if he wishes, it's certainly within his power to resort to an alternative method of returning to the forum, as mentioned above, if he so desires. Or he can move on. I personally hope he doesn't and that we can resolve this more amicably, but whatever the case, it's not for the general membership to decide. While we certainly appreciate the concern of everyone on this thread - even admire the notion of all of you going to bat for a banned member - please consider that with every banning, there are factors in play that the general membership has never seen. There is always a PM dialog between moderation and ban candidate which nobody sees - and typically, assuming the case wasn't so extreme - that is the determining factor.

We just want people to play nice. Is that so much to ask?

[RICK JAMES]

"what's left is you and the noobs? "

Before or after they buy some of the crap your sponsors
pay you to bludgeon them with? Will the poop you hawk make me a better MA?

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Be nicer to your public in the future Mr. Ching.:o

[RICK JAMES]

The rest of your post seemed pretty good.
You should have showed Mr. McKinley some respect IMO, he was nothing but courteous to you.

[8gates]

Buddy:

Two men, junior

junior? :p

ok.. buddy...

Be Happy Today.

[David Jamieson]

you guys can't seriously think that this forum is better than that forum etc etc?

lol, that's just ludicrous.

these are discussion forums and they are filled with all sorts of nonsense.

ef included as well as this or any other martial arts discussion forum has ample shares of noobs and stupidity littered throughout it's threads.

Man, some peeps are far to attached to this hyar digital realm me-thinks! lol

frankly I'd have no problem with having them or not having them. But because they're hear, I'll read em sometimes and post my own rants and info. IN the end, the only real value in kungfu practice is in ones study and practice and definitely not in what they post on a forum.

afterall, what is ef forum but a vehicle of DeVere's own desires? He promotes himself as a designer through that site and may have even sold his skill as a programmer in his ability to set up and maintain a board such as teh one that is at EF. (which by the way is free software that is dead easy to set up by anyone with the inclination to do so.

so to cramp on this board and gene because Gene uses it to sell his wares and make his living is hardly appropriate, and to hoist high the banners of honour over a few words of what is otherwise more drivel on the net from whoever posts it is in essence nothing more than juvenile.

just my opinion, but I'll see y'all on both these boards anyway. :D

You ef guys really need a tune up or something though. yeesh! You still haven't seemed to learn that your spin on things may not be the only way to do things and you may even not know that 99.999% of the folks out there could care less about your ponderings and posturings.

cheers

[intimidation]

If someone says I suck , or doubts me or whatever, fine. Some people just strike me as know it alls, and extremely arrogant and unreasonable, and can't recognize that people who disagree with them could possibly know anything. WHen people claim to be experts and say I clearly don't know what I'm talking about, I think is different from being skeptical, doubtful, or voicing an opinion of how cool something is. Saying you suck, does not mean anything that people try and make it out to. Somethings are just opinions, but when people say so and so is bullshido, or they're the best experts around, well some things need more proof than others, so what I say about who sucks is true, legitimate, and there's alot wimps in IMA. I just blame the wannabe experts, not the qi hugging hippies, whoever they are anyways. I'll disappear for while, but on the other hand, it just takes afew clicks and a couple minutes to check the forum

So IMO , saying someone sucks is not a big deal, every sports team gets booed when not at home, that's just simple. Don't expect me to listen to you like I know nothing though. But if you're saying someone is bullshido, or knows nothing about what they're talking about or teaching wrong, that at least requires some backup, if not a meeting in person, so I shoulda never been banned from anywhere. Sorry for being young and knowing a bit. People banning people from forums do it out of envy and fear of their reputation, because they want to appear smart instead of tough, but blame it on hippies:rolleyes:

The problem in IMA, IMO is the wannabe experts, not qi hugging hippies, is all

[cerebus]

Ya know backbreaker, the only one who ever said that anyone "sucked" was YOU saying that EF and everyone on it sucks and that everyone on EF thinks they're an expert (not true) and that no one on EF can really fight (not true). I just came on to point out that you were very incorrect in making those statements (about people you don't even know).

As for Kung Lek, I've seen YOU defend yourself and your beliefs more than a few times. Why should we not be allowed to do the same? At what point did ANYONE on EF EVER say that our points of view (which are many and often even at variance with one another, it's not like there's one official EF "point of view" on ANYTHING) are the only correct ones? So yeah, actually we have known all along that our ways of doing things are NOT the only way and I don't think I've ever seen anyone on the forum express the opinion that they give a rat's arse what "99.999% of the folks out there" think of our views.

Anyway, Kung Lek and backbreaker/serious harm/intimidation can certainly feel free to go off into the sunset practicing their Atlantean Chi Gung together, that's fine by me. But if people come onto a board I read and make false statements about people I know, then yes, I WILL step up to correct the misinformation they're trying to spead.

Cheers.

[intimidation]

Originally posted by cerebus
Ya know backbreaker, the only one who ever said that anyone "sucked" was YOU saying that EF and everyone on it sucks and that everyone on EF thinks they're an expert (not true)

I never said everyone, just the vocal minority and moderator, many are on this thread. That's ALL I said, I didn't say I was an expert because I have 15 years, or that what I say is an expert opiion and "proven fact"




and that no one on EF can really fight (not true). I just came on to point out that you were very incorrect in making those statements (about people you don't even know).

Fighting means MMA, or against someone larger to be cool




As for Kung Lek, I've seen YOU defend yourself and your beliefs more than a few times. Why should we not be allowed to do the same? At what point did ANYONE on EF EVER say that our points of view (which are many and often even at variance with one another, it's not like there's one official EF "point of view" on ANYTHING) are the only correct ones?

That's all I was ever told while there. Alot of talk about 20 years this, 15 years that, I'm just a kid so I don't know blah blah




So yeah, actually we have known all along that our ways of doing things are NOT the only way and I don't think I've ever seen anyone on the forum express the opinion that they give a rat's arse what "99.999% of the folks out there" think of our views.

But they cannot be disagreed with evidently, or you feel threatened. You just have a misunderstanding, I just give out my understandings and defend a few groups that people like to bash. You are the ones complaining and feeling threatened. I just said you suck and I have every right. CEREBUS, you are trying to claim correct, I am correct, but all I'm saying is EF sucks




Anyway, Kung Lek and backbreaker/serious harm/intimidation can certainly feel free to go off into the sunset practicing their Atlantean Chi Gung together, that's fine by me. But if people come onto a board I read and make false statements about people I know, then yes, I WILL step up to correct the misinformation they're trying to spead.


I said nothing false, I was banned along with another group, who by the way I have heard have been stepping up and doing some sparring with other styles. I had a challenge at the time fro IMA vs. MMA. All you have is you supposed 15 years. And if your friend who agrees with you has another 15, then you got 30!




Cheers. :rolleyes:


So you keep saying I was banned because I have SO much less experience in IMA than you guys, but I know it's because you are threatened that some of you would be overshadowed.

So i'm fine to just forget totally about EF and not talk about it, but anytime I say anything someone fells threatened. I just have my own ideas and things I'd like to see or hear about, and have nothing to lose is all.

[intimidation]

So the point is, that someone on this very thread claimed I'm ignorant of MA, all I claim is that you are lame

[intimidation]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cerebus
[B]Ya know backbreaker, the only one who ever said that anyone "sucked" was YOU


Because NO ONE on EF said Gin Soon Taiji sucks and is laughable. I foun it funny, because when those people brought out their internet video clips, it was no better, if even as good.:rolleyes:

[cerebus]

"So you keep saying I was banned because I have SO much less experience in IMA than you guys"

Really? When did I EVER say that (much less KEEP saying it)? Your major problem seems to be that you don't seem to know WHO is saying WHAT but you accuse people of saying things which they never said. I, for one, have said many times that my experience in the internal arts is much less than that of many (maybe most) of the other members on EF. I do, however, have more experience in some areas of combative experience than some of them.

No one's ever been kicked off from EF for being inexperienced. YOU were booted for being an AZZ (like you were here). Why don't you go around badmouthing the people who banned you here? It's the same thing.

Stop BEING an AZZ and people will stop treating you like one. Simple enough.

[intimidation]

This discussion is polarized. If you're on their side, you agree with what they say to me.

Yeah, it is the same thing, I was banned here by the same people.


The way it looks, and most likely is, is that people were banned from EF because some people who had videos coming out, didn't want their small spotlight at that small forum, stolen. But I'm not trying to drag this on, just saying how it looks and is.

[cerebus]

I know who it is you are accusing AND what you keep accusing them of. In that, as in most of the other accusations I've seen you make, you are wrong. Sorry if you refuse to step back and take a more objective view of the matter, but it's a fact.

If someone says something that I can see is incorrect whether here or on EF, and I can provide them with the correct information then I will. It's not a matter of agreeing with everyone on EF because I'm a member there. I've disagreed and argued very strongly against fellow EF members many times. But so far everything I've seen you say about them has been incorrect.

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by intimidation
This discussion is polarized. If you're on their side, you agree with what they say to me.

Yeah, it is the same thing, I was banned here by the same people.


The way it looks, and most likely is, is that people were banned from EF because some people who had videos coming out, didn't want their small spotlight at that small forum, stolen. But I'm not trying to drag this on, just saying how it looks and is.

No, you were banned BY ME because you sat there and spewed off garbage to other people. By garbage, I mean petty name calling, swearing at them, etc. Not garbage as in "I am right, you are wrong", which, you did that as well. You give no information about who you train with, and when someone questions it, you scream and yell and say "I've already told you who I have trained with!" and then proceed to call them names. As far as I can remember, I am not a member of Empty Flower. Maybe I am, and I just can't remember. I know I've been there (awesome site btw, love the 50s style cult classic Daredevil text style). I've downloaded videos on it, etc. So yeah, I probably am a member on there, but never posted. Alright, I just checked, apparently I have yet to registar there under my standard user name, so, in the end, you were banned by a guy not from Empty Flower.

You were banned twice, yet continue to return, which shows that you just don't seem to understand what banning means. You post multiple times in a row, and when you get in an argument about someone, you are quick to edit your posts and make it look like you are the victim and they are the bad guy.

Lots of members on this forum will tell you his or her instructor's name if you ask. Heck, some people will even tell you the address of the school they train at, and offer to let you come visit them. However, each profile you have created has been blank. Wait, I stand corrected. Your current profile has a birthday given. Other than that, they are blank. You hide in invisible mode on the forums, heck, I wouldn't put it past you that you never leave the forum, but rather stay invisible and just leave it up on the computer and check back periodically. The only reason you haven't been banned again is because you haven't slipped up on the Internal board. I could just as soon e-mail Gene and tell him to ban you again, and then you'd appear with another obvious name, and get banned from that.

I tried so much to try and get it through your head about the rules, remember when we sent those PMs back and forth for an hour that one day?














Remember?














Yeah?














I want my hour back.

[intimidation]

1. I won't swear anymore, or name call, unless provoked

2. My message is more important than my name

3. I have given out my instructors names many times, and posted sites where I train. It's not hard to figure out if you know the IMA community, and who the known instructors are

4. Find an example when I edited my post to look like a victim. The thing wrong with that ridiculous theory , that you seem to have bought into, is that I never reported a post to a moderator or ever asked for someone to be banned. Can't you retreive deleted posts?

5. I do in fact just click the forum at the bottom of the screen and leave.

6. Am I not now following the rules? It's because I myself haven't been insulted as much

&. Oh, I didn't mean for my birthday to be listed

[PHILBERT]

I can not retrieve deleted posts. Once I hit delete, they are gone like a Ninja after a kill.

BTW, regardless of wheather or not you edited your posts (and I see them edited alot), you still have insulted people. Remember my story towards the top? About how, if a man steals from my dad, I have no right to steal from him?

Yeah, go back and read it. While it is about BAI HE, it can be applied to you. If Jon Doe calls you an idiot, and you proceed to cuss him out, Jon Doe gets banned and you get banned. If Jon Doe cusses you out, and you don't cuss him out, Jon Doe gets banned.

And don't you dare say you have never said anything bad on here. I put a note up here, and you began to insult me directly, when my note never said a single insult to you. You sat there and swore up and down like a sailor towards me, insulting me.

[intimidation]

I don't want to nutride my years alive, thank you:D

Anyways, I think it won't be long until I actually don't have much to say anymore, kind of like bullshido, I just don't have much to post there often

[cerebus]

Then please, STFU and go away. Thank you. That is all.

[David Jamieson]

no need to get yer nuts in a knot there cerebus, I'm merely pointing out that your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's and the behaviour and rants on the boards at ef are no less beyond reproach than those that are found here.

both boards have their merit and demerit as far as i can see.

I find value in both of them. I have had head to head insult slinging fests with plenty of people...well mostly only one or two guys, but I think i wise cracked at BB about his Atlantean theory...just to point that out.

But to think ...Like I said before that one site is better than the other, or that apologies are OWED is a bit out of hand. Take things in stride and definitely with a grain of salt.

By the looks o the thread at EF I would say that it is you who owes Gene Ching an apology for your slanted remarks against him there when he hasn't said one iota against you and he certainly didn't start it.

Of course he has to manage this board, the same way you guys at ef managed yours when you banned backbreaker for making his cracks.

Kinda silly when held against the light of day. And besides all that, yer dang right I defend my p.o.v, But I also concede when shown to be incorrect. Just sift through anywhere I am really and you'll see i'm being honest about this.

After all, there is no foundation for universal or ultimate "truth" in any matter. All things are subjective and we simply have it put to us to choose what we are going to believe or disbelieve. And in time, even that may change. :p

anyway, telling someone to stfu is not really a good way to balance a dialogue and create a more positive relationship. Don't expect niceties if you are not willing to extend them yourself.

that is all.

cheers

[CaptinPickAxe]

Intimidation, I'm curious as to what your martial background is. I have absolutely no idea who you are or your past. Feel free to PM, but I'd really like an answer besides "I've already told you," or, "Run a search." I'd like an honest answer, please, seeing how this is an honest question.

[cerebus]

Well, first of all I never said anything derogatory about Gene, so you may wish to correct yourself on that remark (I did say that I felt the banning of Bai He was uncalled for).

As for telling "whatever his name is" to STFU, no, it's not the way to have a good dialogue. However the end of the proverbial rope was reached long ago. I tried speaking reasonably with him but that didn't work.

So he's been banned twice and keeps coming back and then says he's finished saying what he has to say anyway. Then why the heck doesn't he just quit?

Whatever. Please re-check the thread on EF & let me know what it was you think I said about Gene when you get a chance.

[intimidation]

Captain pick axe-




11 years with this guy (http://www.retreatsonline.net/kootenaytaichi/)



5 years on and off (http://www.pridegym.ca)



2 years 7 months a year 7 days a week (http://members.shaw.ca/wuti/tuttle.html)


http://members.shaw.ca/wuti/wuti.html


Kunlun school wild goose qigong for 7 years and a bit of Damo and qinway qigong. My qigong teacher is maybe getting a website but I can't find it yet.

[David Jamieson]

you're right cerebus, my bad, it was not you who made the disparaging remarks about Gene. It was another member at EF.

my apologies and a retraction of my former statement regarding same.

But as for the rest, I still hold the same view :p

[cerebus]

It's certainly your right to do so, as shall I.

[RICK JAMES]

"afterall, what is ef forum but a vehicle of DeVere's own desires? He promotes himself as a designer through that site and may have even sold his skill as a programmer in his ability to set up and maintain a board such as teh one that is at EF. (which by the way is free software that is dead easy to set up by anyone with the inclination to do so."

You sound jealous... can you design a better site? This board looks like a urine sample.

"You ef guys really need a tune up or something though. yeesh! You still haven't seemed to learn that your spin on things may not be the only way to do things and you may even not know that 99.999% of the folks out there could care less about your ponderings and posturings."

You assume a lot. You don't seem to mind when another board is randomly degraded on your forum. You don't seem to mind when other quality martial artists are ****ed on for no constructive reason...

Instead of your petty assumptions, why not just say "Sorry boys, it's all about the hit counter." Isn't that the truth.

"so to cramp on this board and gene because Gene uses it to sell his wares and make his living is hardly appropriate, and to hoist high the banners of honour"

Your words, not mine.

"of what is otherwise more drivel on the net from whoever posts it is in essence nothing more than juvenile."

Yeah, that's great. Just because you don't have any thoughts on these subject anyway, it's just easier to put your fingers in your ears and say BLAHBLAHBLAH I can't hear you...
Please throw another coat of generalistic shine on the this pile of shzeet.


AGAIN-
"You ef guys really need a tune up or something though. yeesh! You still haven't seemed to learn that your spin on things may not be the only way to do things and you may even not know that 99.999% of the folks out there could care less about your ponderings and posturings."

Yes, you let a rampant jerk-off troll bad mouth a bunch of fellow martial artists and now defend him? You're actually starting to sound like him. Maybe you don't speak or think too clearly, maybe
we cant hear what you're saying with Ralek's junk in your mouth?

Silence equals complicity and I guess you have just shown your true colors.

Why are you in this section anyhow? Phil need to bring in a ringer?

[RICK JAMES]

BTW-

The post running down Gene on EF was a joke. See the part where the poster says "Mock Outrage".

It was done to see if you showed up on the forum and started to fire back, then you'd see what it's like to be on the other
side of the fence when one reputable community is attacked and asks another for assistance (without ant personal profit).

You guys have really failed. Now you're going to take a few more
cheap shots at EF and Mr. Devere. Pretty classy of you.

And that, to quote Kung Lek, is "juvenile".

Use your heads in the future. Please.....

[David Jamieson]

:D

Rick, don't be a d.ick lol, i wasn't running down devere, i was pointing out an inconsistency in making the argument that Gene is bad because he makes a living through this site and other endeavours associated with this site.

I personally like daves design work and all the power to him for doing what he does.

also, i am not defending bb, i'm pointing out that it is useless to try and sell yourself as "right" by doing essentially to him what you are claiming he's doing to you. so get it straight dude, i ain't putting words in anyones mouth, i'm just calling it as i see it. and as i see it, it is you guys coming here and b.itching about a bunch of nonsense while the antics at ef are just as bad in regards to "putting down fellow martial artists". i mean jeez, look at some of the mockery of others that goes on there. LOL, it is like the pot calling the kettle black.

so just keep that lemon to yourself will ya and don't try putting words in my mouth.

yeesh

[cerebus]

Actually, the whole sh!tstorm happened when BB came on this forum saying "EF sucks. Everyone on Ef sucks, etc. etc." and I asked him why he would say that. He just kept coming back to: 'Well, whatever. It doesn't matter 'cause you guys suck!' I continued to be polite to him for quite awhile though others with less patience for BS jumped on him heavily.

So please don't try to make it sound like we just suddenly showed up & started in on the guy. If someone starts calling people names & telling them that they "suck", he's asking for trouble & he deserves all of it that he gets.

I never attack anyone (even verbally) unless either A) they're fulla crap and it needs to be pointed out or B) they start in on me first. BB met both criteria with flying colors.

[intimidation]

IMO bai hui and others were harrassing me way back when they thought I was straight blaster.

[Buddy]

Well Gosh,
Iwill. I think you're a nitwit kunglek. I don't think you know what you're taliking about. At the risk of incurring the wrath of the mods here and Hung gar Gene, I think this board can't hold a candle to EF. There is still a bunch of juvey bushwa on this site. It's ruled, as far as I can see, by kids. Noone gets away this sort of hoesr**** on EF. I am still challenging this board to grow up. It's all about the dollar here as RJ said. Phhewwah

[Buddy]

intipuss,
the fact that you are still here proves my above point. You are a sham and the lowest form of interent life. You are a troubled and insignificant little boy who's only life exists as that as an internet troll. Fat, skinny, weasely, pimpley, little ****. You would be a sad little case if you mattered. Your opinion is of no consequence. It is obvious to all that you are...feck. Begone.

[shawnsegler]

Just as an aside...does anyone find it amusing that BB can never say what his experience is, only post links and say-"I studied with this guy"?

Cause I do.

S

[cerebus]

Look out Buddy, Kung Lek might frown upon you for being harsh on his pal. :D

Yeah Shawn, that had crossed my mind. What's up with that? :confused:

[RICK JAMES]

Kung Lek -

Are you drunk? You don't sound so Canadian...

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by Buddy
Well Gosh,
Iwill. I think you're a nitwit kunglek. I don't think you know what you're taliking about. At the risk of incurring the wrath of the mods here and Hung gar Gene, I think this board can't hold a candle to EF. There is still a bunch of juvey bushwa on this site. It's ruled, as far as I can see, by kids. Noone gets away this sort of hoesr**** on EF. I am still challenging this board to grow up. It's all about the dollar here as RJ said. Phhewwah

Yes, and mature grown ups love to go around calling people names. :rolleyes:

[cerebus]

Love to? No. Succumb to the urge to do so when they run out of patience dealing with ignorant individuals? Yes. That will happen. Even with mature adults.

[PHILBERT]

As Gene said earlier in this thread, we can keep banning backbreaker, but until he chooses to give up and leave, he'll keep returning. So Buddy is just going to keep getting mad at him.

[Ian G.R.]

Intimidation
Go back to Bullshido (as serious harm), in fact. No, you're not even worthy of posting there (where the trolls run wild). If they knew you were posting this Atlantean Qi gong lort (danish for well ....; men det kan du vel aldrig finde ud af vel? Din lille skidespræller) They'd rip your head off.
Or, alternatively. STOP POSTING YOU MORON!!!!! I mean, do you actually think people will respect you, if you change your name and come back to "face the adversity"? Sorry to burst your bubble. No. No they won't.

Every time you post something, thousand and thousands of bullcrap-o-meters go off in the heads of people all over the world(some, dont even have one, but miraculously develop one just for you). You, however, seem to be capable of independant critical thought, and believe something along the lines of "0ooohhhh, it's on the internet, then it must be true. (in reference to all that magick hack stuff)

Now, we will collectively make you our *****, and play the great an ancient sport of Atlantean scat with you.

[/scathing flame]
*edited for more correct grammar and spelling, I hate typing when mad*

[David Jamieson]

a nitwit? well! that does it, now my feelings are hurt! :p

come on guys, I can't believe you don't see it.

Buddy, that whole post degrading the guy is in no way different from what you are saying he has done to you.

Anyway, I don't get it that you guys don't get it. It's just gonna spiral into a feces flinging fest a la Al Capone in his last days now.

I'll be at the canteena getting a pop.

pip pip!

[cerebus]

Heh, heh. Well Kung Lek, I see what you're saying but MY primary mistake was that I started off trying to be reasonable with the guy. In fact, other than the "STFU" comment earlier (which he's said to me on other threads WITHOUT me returning such pleasantries) I've not been harsh on him at all. Yes, I've been sarcastic and made fun of him but I would do that to anyone espousing such rigamarole as he does.

I'm sorry if it bothers you to see it, but he's the one who jumped up & brought the fire down on his own self (again, and again, etc) so I have a hard time feeling sorry for him. There have been several times when these little tiffs have died down and he gets left alone, but he just can't resist starting up again with his crapping on EF & those of us who are members, so then EF members start in on him again. Like I've said before, if he stops BEING an azz, he won't be treated like an azz.

I'm surprised YOU don't see that.

[Buddy]

Philbert,
You have been respectable to me so I won't be harsh. When this board is able to show some responsiblity then I will be less so. You allow, before I started my hounding of him, this miscreant to advise others. As I've said, and neither you or gene saw fit to address, this board is a self serving commercial enterprise without having the where with all to police its own beyond what you determine as offensive. This board is backed up by a magazine. You have an almost serious presence. And yet you decide that you are not responsible for what is written. I could go and just leave the teeming masses to believe the pablum here but as an adult (and don't preach to me boy) I will not. You need to decide if its ok with your policy to let these cretins influence the younger members whose only foray into the MA might your magazine and your board.

[intimidation]

I didn't know ANYONE was giving advice, just suggestions and discussion, that's the whole point, not paranoia, trolling, and pm's

[cerebus]

LOL! Gee, doesn't he just sound SO innocent? :p :p :p

[Chris_McKinley]

Gene,

RE: "well, what's left are the noobs and you - or are you about to move on too?". I used to be one of your most informative posters a few years back....take a look. It's not surprising you don't know who I am given that you don't travel in circles with folks who train combat for real. If you ever see me in person, I'll give you the limp handshake and dismissal you deserve. You're a complete joke in the martial arts world. Your rag has become essentially nothing more than a Chinatown tourist's trinket catalog, spiced up here and there with completely irrelevant tripe and phoney Shaolin monks nutriding. Beats training though, eh?

[GeneChing]

We banned intimidation *again* - if you review this thread, the baited is pretty obvious. We were going to let him run on this 3rd account, but he still didn't change. Maybe next account. Bai He is un-banned now, too.

As for my comment to Chris_McKinley, I'm sorry that you and Rick James took such offense to it. It wasn't meant to be insulting or disrespectful; it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, which is why I added the :p symbol. Now I realize I should have used the ;) symbol to better indicate that I wasn't being serious. It was more a comment on your quote Chris...
Nowadays, the trolls outnumber the posters here, and what's left is mostly absolute noobs who eventually move on when they realize that very little real information is exchanged here. There's an intrinsic logic flaw with posting that, since by the very act of posting it, you are here, and I'm assuming by your attidude and your successive posts, that you do not consider yourself as part of that crowd. So it became sort of self-incriminating, which is, I assume, not what you intended. FWIW, I've made plenty of similar errors, but it's a forum, it's sort of the nature of the beast. We're all bad writers here and if we're not, we're spending too much time here.

As for the disparaing comments about me personally, I appreciate your criticisms and your attention. Really, with the incredible diversity of CMA, it's an honor to be thought of at all. I AM a complete joke in the martial arts world and intend to remain so as long as I can keep the audience laughing. Seriously, laughter is the best medicine. If I could just develop the contagious laugh, that would be the best virus ever. I like to think of myself as sort of a cosmic joke, but really I'm just a bad pun. :p oops, I mean ;)

You know, something Dave Cater (of all people!!) taught me about forums. We were once discussing web forums a few years back and he said he went to one once and typed "Dave Cater is an *******" just for fun. He thought it was hilarious how many people agreed. To this day, I respect that.

As for Empty Flower being better, they probably are, but it's sort of silly to come over here and say so. Forums are voluntary communties - if you want to participate, participate. If not, go somewhere else. It's sort of like the noobs comment, you're not going to make things better in a community by saying "oh that other community is better". You're going to make the community better by contributing more to it. Now of course, I'd love it if the entire CMA world was here, but that's not going to happen. As long as your contributing somewhere, that's fine. Even trolling contributes in its own weird way, sort of like lessons in bad examples, but things do get out of hand now and again, so we do have to ban members. I do admire the style of the Empty Flower website - I think they do a fabulous job for the MA world. Also I would love to read up on these threads on me, just because it tickles my ego just like it did Cater's. If anyone can forward me the threads, I'd love it.

[looking_up]

Good sense of humor, Gene.

seriousharm/backbreaker/intimidation: Get help. You keep referring to "they" and "their" and you refer to EF as if it was a bogeyman coming to get you...not normal, yo.

[BPW]

Whoa, looks like I'm late to the party! Jer-RY!! Jer-RY!!

Welcome back, BAI_HE. ;)


As for you, Cracktaker, I don't think you're mature enough for the IMA. Go do about 3-5 years of Shaolin and get back to us.

[Unmatchable]

Originally posted by Chris_McKinley
Gene,

RE: "well, what's left are the noobs and you - or are you about to move on too?". I used to be one of your most informative posters a few years back....take a look. It's not surprising you don't know who I am given that you don't travel in circles with folks who train combat for real. If you ever see me in person, I'll give you the limp handshake and dismissal you deserve. You're a complete joke in the martial arts world. Your rag has become essentially nothing more than a Chinatown tourist's trinket catalog, spiced up here and there with completely irrelevant tripe and phoney Shaolin monks nutriding. Beats training though, eh?

Haven't you learned yet that only alive arts like bjj, muay thai, and judo train for combat and train realistically?

[shawnsegler]

Oh, other-troll....you so clazy.

[GeneChing]

Good sense of humor Yeah, you see why we have to have one. Take forums too seriously and you go nuts. That's a fool's errand.

So can anyone forward those EF threads bashing me? I would really enjoy them. :cool:

[Mika]

Gene, take a bow /bow/

Self-irony and other attributes of the like are a rare necessity. The one who possesses them, commands the Tao...;)

BTW, when ARE we going to have a /worship/ or a /bow/ icon here? I wants me one...:mad:

:D

//mika

[GeneChing]

a /worship/ or a /bow/ icon I'm not sure what you mean. But thanks for the props. Always leave 'em laughing. :D

[MasterKiller]

http://www.emptyflower.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=Off;action=display;num=1083437349

[GeneChing]

That was great! Thanks MK, I can totally feel the love. :D

I find it really amusing that they would spend a thread discussing what's happening on another forum. For all of those people who might have slammed me on that thread, I have THIS (http://store.martialartsmart.net/75-77.html) to say to you. :p

BTW, welcome back Bai He. :cool:

[BAI HE]

.........................
Thanks Gene,
I can't exactly rock the headband though, even at those unbeatable prices.

It's just too Bjorn Borg for me.

Take care,
Pete

[GeneChing]

I don't know what it is about headbands. I've always thought it was a Rambo thing. And ashamed I am to admit it, I went through a headband phase, but that was in high school. I did a lot of stupid things in high school. Didn't we all? Man, if I was in high school now, I'd probably be a forum troll. :p

Sorry you got caught in the crossfire Bai He. Glad to have you back with us.

[Buddy]

I was thinking Loverboy.

[cerebus]

Buddy, when you think of stuff like that...it scares me. :D :D

[GeneChing]

IT's all coming back now like a a bad flashback. Sweat Bands. Mullets. Leg Warmers. That's what we need at MartialArtsMart (http://www.martialartsmart.com) - karate leg warmers. :p

[Walter Joyce]

OK, leg warmers, but Jennifer Beale modeling them (Flashdance) not John Travolta (Staying Alive).
:D

[GeneChing]

Now that hurt. Beale definately. Travolta, that's just wrong. Score one major point for WJ.

[herb ox]

Originally posted by GeneChing
... Sweat Bands. Mullets. Leg Warmers...

What makes ye think mullets and sweatbands are out of style now? :p

Actually, I see a lot of 'mulletude' in the martial circles.

h.o.

[BAI HE]

Mulletude? Oh you mean the Kenpo guys...

COBRA KAIIIII!

[GroungJing]

Originally posted by BAI HE
Mulletude? Oh you mean the Kenpo guys...

COBRA KAIIIII!




BaI He welcome back dude!!!

[BAI HE]

tHANKS MAN!

[cerebus]

Caps lock man, caps lock! :p :p :p

[GeneChing]

...but instead of party hats, we all gotta wear headbands and sweatbands (http://store.martialartsmart.net/headbands.html). Now what will we use for noise makers? ;)

[BAI HE]

We can have Olivia Newton John and Pat Benatar (famous head band abusers) provide he entertainment!

It would be coolif they wore nothing but their head bands! Wait a minute... they're kind of old now..... then again so am I!

So glad the thong has replaced the headband.

[GeneChing]

That's what we need - got qi (http://store.martialartsmart.net/tshirgotqi99.html) thongs...

[cerebus]

EF has 'em! And DeVere has a gorgeous girlfriend to model them!:D Think about it Gene, the number of hits on your online catalog will go through the roof! Well, providing you use the right models, of course (don't even THINK of bein' funny & having the "Bad Acting, Good Kung Fu" guys model'em:eek: ).

[PHILBERT]

Margie can model them.

[cerebus]

So....is this gonna happen?:D

[Vash]

Really, why would we need thongs? Just let the models show up and pose as if they had on the thongs.

I'd buy 20 for that.

[cerebus]

Heh, heh. Of course Vash...Ninja Thongs! They're invisible, you can't see them :D !

[Vash]

Dang skippy.

Naked Female Ninjas are the best!

[GeneChing]

I'm all over got qi? ninja thongs...or at least I wish I was... :eek:

[GeneChing]

Tai chi master rises to challenge in martial arts arena (http://www.ecns.cn/m/2017/05-09/256674.shtml)
2017-05-09 16:20 chinadaily.com.cn Editor: Feng Shuang

http://www.ecns.cn/m/2017/05-09/U669P886T1D256674F12DT20170509162037.jpg
A file photo of tai chi master Chen Zhenglei. Photo provided to chinadaily.com.cn

Tai chi master Chen Zhenglei not only stands firm on moral ground in his response to the webpage challenge of a Japanese martial arts practitioner, but also leads the way of propriety for kung fu contestants.
Chen, the 11th generation carrier of Chen-style tai chi and also one of China's Top 10 contemporary Chinese martial artists, tops the list of four Chinese challenged by a karate club owner on his Japanese Twitter account on May 3.
The Japanese message accused Chinese martial arts as "quite fake" and practitioners in China as often "cheating". The account holder, MoonJangGyu, challenged Chen, tai chi masters Chen Xiaowang and Yan Fang, and Shaolin boxer Shi Yanjue and set a deadline for them to respond, before Wednesday. MoonJangGyu even claimed he was traveling to Shanghai for fights on Wednesday.
In his statement on Chinese social media Monday, Chen displayed the full courtesy characterized by Chinese martial arts tradition. He first stated his devotion to carrying on the tradition of both the Chen family and Chinese wushu and his belief in being kind to other people and maintaining self-dignity in handling daily affairs, teachings each Chinese martial arts practitioner must accept.
As for the Japanese challenge for a fight, as long as his identity is affirmed and behavior ratified by related authorities, "I will rise to the challenge to fight on the immediate occasion in accordance with the principles of meeting the law's requirements, fitting into rules, and promoting exchange and friendship," Chen said at the end of his statement.
Such a challenge is not a first for Chen, and certainly not a first for a Chinese wushu practitioner in modern history. Japanese martial arts masters have been active in challenging Chinese over the past century and in helping Chinese kung fu to grow.
However, time has evolved and today's world is no longer a jungle of the fittest. The rule of law has to be followed throughout the nations for humanity to prosper properly. The martial arts circles of both Asia and other parts of the world have been mature enough to hold series of contests, often broadcast live on TV, radio and social media, each of them following distinct rules that are hammered out through debates, discussions and eventual consensus.
Under these circumstances, any high-toned wording for a private duel gives rise to suspicion of not observing today's rule of law, or holding onto movie stereotypes of old thinking, or simply self-promotion.
However, Chen did not hesitate to admit that in recent years, there indeed appeared in China cases of faking martial arts to cheat, or obtaining undue grandeur with boasting, or making a fanfare from nothing for illicit profits. He was sharp in calling it necessary for martial arts circles to crack down on the fakes and correct inappropriate behavior to sustain the healthy development of Chinese wushu or kung fu of any other nation.
However, "both cracking down upon the faking and holding real contests should be under the guidance of the Chinese Wushu Association and related government departments to achieve legal and orderly proceedings," he pointed out. And his standing here is welcome as legal authorities and supervisors are safeguarding the rule of law in our societies.
In his respect for legal and martial arts authorities, Chen, 68, displayed his sense of being law-abiding; in rising to a martial arts challenge, Chen shows respect for the potential opponent and is carrying on the tradition of tai chi and Chinese kung fu.

Maybe Master Chen should go after Xu Xiaodong (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-That-MMA-vs-Taiji-Fight-Everyones-Talking-About)too.

[GeneChing]

Srsly? Zhu Chunping is really too dumb to have accepted this challenge.


Chinese kick-boxer knocks out tai chi master with one punch in latest blow to traditional martial arts (https://www.scmp.com/sport/china/article/2174830/chinese-kick-boxer-knocks-out-tai-chi-master-one-punch-latest-blow)
Zhu Chunping, 47, lasts only five seconds against Yao Hantian
The 22-year-old Yao has been training kick-boxing for just six months
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 24 November, 2018, 6:01pm
UPDATED : Saturday, 24 November, 2018, 6:16pm
Nicolas Atkin
https://twitter.com/nicoscmp

https://cdn4.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/980x551/public/images/methode/2018/11/24/7dfe214a-efca-11e8-b0fe-c62dccd2d711_1280x720_210446.jpg?itok=J0qUOP8d

Traditional martial arts has suffered another blow in the battle for supremacy with more modern forms of combat after footage emerged of a Chinese kick-boxer flattening a tai chi master with just one punch.

The 47-year-old expert Zhu Chunping, who has been practising tai chi for decades, hit the canvas five seconds into a bout with Yao Hantian, a 22-year-old amateur who has only been training kick-boxing for six months.

The cross-disciplinary fight took place earlier this month at an event put on by the Shanghai-based Shengshi Yinghao Club in Suzhou, eastern China. The card also featured seven kick-boxing matches and one MMA bout, with around 1,500 spectators watching.

Doctors rushed into the ring to check on Zhu, with Shengshi Yinghao Club director Li Yong admitting the organisers had not expected things to end so quickly.

“Upon examination, Master Zhu was fine. He recovered for one minute then walked down the ring by himself,” Li, who also coaches Yao, told MailOnline.

At 1.7 metres, Zhu is one inch shorter than Yao but three kilograms heavier at 75kg. Organisers said Zhu is also a master with traditional weapons such as swords and sticks.

Li said the fight was not arranged to determine the supremacy of one form over the other, but for mutual improvement.

He also defended tai chi after the outcome of the fight had prompted ridicule of Zhu and the traditional form, but admitted it was an outdated style compared to modern combat sports.

https://cdn1.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/images/methode/2018/11/24/122a095c-efca-11e8-b0fe-c62dccd2d711_1320x770_181632.jpg
Zhu Chunping is hit by Yao Hantian. Photo: Shengshi Yinghao Club

“Tai chi can improve one’s health and temperament and has a lot of philosophy of martial arts in it,” Li said.

“A lot of the kick-boxing techniques come from tai chi, such as shoulder roll and the way you use your strength while kicking. It is an important part of modern boxing.”

Chinese MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong sparked controversy last May when he pummelled self-proclaimed tai chi master Wei Lei in just 11 seconds. Such was the outrage of some, a Chinese tycoon offered a total of US$1.45 million to anyone who could defeat Xu and “defend the dignity” of martial artists.

Xu said he was assaulted in September 2017 by two strangers claiming they represented traditional martial arts. He said the attack went on for 15 minutes, and forced him to withdrew from public life for a few months.

But the 40-year-old resurfaced in April this year, beating kung fu master Ding Hao in under two minutes.

He broke his silence earlier this month, vowing he would keep on exposing “kung fu fakery” but claimed he had been barred “indefinitely” from organising tournaments for fighters at his Beijing gym.

Li appeared to share some of Xu’s sentiments, saying that modern masters do not know how best to convey the sophistication of traditional arts.

“All they do is boast that they could fight, which leads to the opposition between modern boxing and those ‘fake’ kung fu masters,” Li said.

“Chinese kung fu is great, but it has been used in the wrong place by people with their own agenda.”

Tai chi is said to have been invented in 17th century China, and is one of the most popular sports with Chinese state media claiming it is practised by more than 250 million people worldwide.

THREADS:
A Challenge (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?29936-A-Challenge)
That MMA vs Taiji Fight Everyones Talking About (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-That-MMA-vs-Taiji-Fight-Everyones-Talking-About)

[No_Know]

" Let's make this small part of this board (as internal martial artists) worth reading and responding to."

I'm trying to understand what moves I do...in my wheelhouse that makes the feeling of hot/warm water streaming on me- on command.-Ernie Moore Jr.

No_Know

[No_Know]

Read a thread about would it be O. K. or confusing to learn simultaneously different families/styles of Ba Gua. Right now I'm deciding to look at old clips of masters or just reputable people in the five families of Taijiquan and look for the similarities to see what T'ai Chi Ch'uan is about. And to look at the variation to see the Time-honored thoughts of application-something like that.-Ernie Moore Jr.

No_Know

[GeneChing]

I gotta agree with Xu on this one. 3 years? srsly? Lu Hang is coat-tailing. It's ironic when one viral ***** picks up baggage, like lamprey to a shark.

Anyone have access to Xu's 17 “fake” tai chi masters list?



Xu Xiaodong calls tai chi master a ‘cheat’ for backing out of ‘10 million yuan’ fight (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/kung-fu/article/3016155/xu-xiaodong-calls-tai-chi-master-cheat-backing-out-10)
Master Lu Hang still wants to teach the Chinese MMA fighter a lesson – after he completes three years of training, which he plans to live-stream every day
Xu blasts the ‘shameful’ Yang-style taijiquan master for ‘using my popularity’ to make a name for himself on social media
Nicolas Atkin
Published: 4:30pm, 26 Jun, 2019

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One of Xu Xiaodong’s Weibo posts about tai chi master Lu Hang.

Xu Xiaodong has called tai chi master Lu Hang a “cheat” for backing out of a fight after offering the Chinese MMA fighter 10 million yuan (US$1.45 million) if he beat him.
Sichuanese Yang-style master Lu, who claims to be the No 1 martial arts fighter in China, said he still wants to teach Xu Xiaodong a lesson – but only after he has completed three years of intense training, which he plans to showcase on a daily live-stream.
“I think Lu is a cheat,” Xu told the Post. “He wants to become an influencer using my popularity.”
Their original beef came about after Xu posted to Chinese social media a list of 17 “fake” tai chi masters he had compiled, with Lu ranked at No 7.
Xu also shared a recording on his Weibo timeline of a phone call between the two, where Lu challenges him to a fight and says he would give “Mad Dog” 10 million yuan if he lost.
The 41-year-old Xu had told the Post last week that he and Lu were still discussing details for a fight date, but Lu appeared to back down in a lengthy statement posted on Toutiao, another Chinese social media platform.
Xu Xiaodong wants to countersue tai chi ‘grandmaster’ in Australian court by pursuing citizenship
Lu wrote that after he finishes three years of training, he plans on challenging all different kinds of martial arts masters from around the world, including Xu.
Xu wrote on his Weibo timeline that Lu should be fired or resign from his role in the Chinese Yang-style taijiquan general assembly after his comments.
“We are not competing for the length of wordings,” Xu added, poking fun at Lu’s Toutiao post. “Sorry, I can’t finish reading this, my eyes feel pain. Please tell me Lu Hang whether you want to fight or not, and when.”

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Xu Xiaodong had to wear face paint and use an alias for his most recent fight, where he broke wing chun master Lu Gang’s nose. Photo: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

Users on Toutiao seemed to share Xu’s sentiment. “Write so much? Do you still have time to practice?” one commented on Lu’s post. “After reading it, I felt that tai chi gave my mind a stupid practice,” another said.
In another Weibo post earlier this month, Xu said Lu had invited him as a guest to his training room to take photos.
“Two days later, suddenly there was news on the internet saying I came to challenge Yang-style taiji master Lu Hang but lost, and after the fight we took photos together,” Xu said. “Using this kind of dirty little tricks, taijiquan is so shameful.”

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Xu Xiaodong wears a Spartan helmet to hide his appearance during a social media live-stream. Photo: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

Xu told the Post that if he fights Lu he will need to wear face paint and adopt an alias again, as he did for his last bout against wing chun master Lu Gang.
The 41-year-old was billed with the demeaning nickname “Winter Melon” for that fight in Karamay last month, with organisers saying the bout could not be live-streamed unless Xu concealed his identity.
Xu also wore a Spartan helmet in one of his latest social media live streams, where he said he wanted to leave China and seek Australian citizenship. He said his social media accounts get taken down more frequently if his face is visible in his videos.

Inkstone’s Qin Chen contributed to this article.
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Fight feud: tai chi master is a ‘cheat’

THREADS
Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-Xu-Xiaodong-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
A Challenge (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?29936-A-Challenge)

[No_Know]

I put together three vids (only have three of me and T'ai Ch Ch'uan) to address what I think Ward-Off should look. I saw wrongness in the application then that wrongness in the form and commented how it should go. But Ward Off should not go straight forward and up like a Okinawan upper arm block ward Off should be sideways deflection with a hand following but not touching. The lead arm should be rounded and turning torso carries the setish rounded arm.-Ernie Moore Jr.

If teacher is trying to make a point or emphasize something...I presume students want something and the technique is altered to give that, besides some might think modern application for modern time--change application by altering form for this today people. I'm a terrible lizard. So I'll do Taijiquan as I think ideally it should be as far as technique, but Squirrel thinks the techniques should link outside of form but form can have some of these links. Form is needed to learn apply/connect without pattern except what fits the situation or would seem practical.-Ernie Moore Jr.

Example of No_Know's level of understanding of Ward off accidentally meshed with Pat the Wild Horse's Mane T'ai Chi Ch'uan as well as thoughts about ward off. Ernie Moore Jr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a549gZ-gBgI&t=41s

No_Know

[GeneChing]

Chinese MMA fighter knocks out two kung fu ‘masters’ in one night, in 72 seconds each (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/kung-fu/article/3034680/chinese-mma-fighter-knocks-out-two-traditional-martial)
‘A Hu’ went viral for knocking out wing chun ‘master’ Ding Hao in spectacular style last weekend
New video unearthed from Chinese social media reveals he also obliterated a tai chi practitioner on same night
Nick Atkin
Published: 1:56pm, 26 Oct, 2019

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Song De Cai lies on the canvas. Photos: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

Remember “A Hu”, the Chinese MMA fighter who knocked out the fake wing chun “master” last weekend? Well it turns out he actually fought two frauds in one night, and remarkably, beat them both in 72 seconds.
A Hu went viral after obliterating Xu Xiaodong’s old rival Ding Hao in a kick-boxing match, dropping him with a vicious head kick.
But another video unearthed from Chinese social media reveals he pulled double duty and also took on a tai chi practitioner called Song De Cai the same day.
You can probably guess how that fight went too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd7MVj58l7g

Weighing in at 80 kilograms, the 44-year-old Song had the weight and height (1.77 metres) advantage compared to the 24-year-old A Hu (1.75m, 66kg).

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A Hu punches Song De Cai.

Right off the bat, Song tries (and fails) with a Bruce Lee-style jump kick, falling flat on his backside. A Hu then throws some leg kicks and roundhouse kicks before battering Song with punches.
Song can only push A Hu away and run, but eventually gets cornered. A Hu hits him with a right hook, an uppercut and then a left hook to the body, and Song crumples to the floor.
The referee counts Song as he tries to get to his feet, then calls it off.

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The referee steps between Song De Cai and A Hu
“That liver shot looked brutal, for a tai chi guy that clearly doesn’t do full contact sparring there is no way he could take that punch,” said one commenter on the video, which was posted by YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns.
“Seriously that guy does not look like he's in shape to fight. Do they even medically clear them to fight? This can lead to serious injuries or even death,” said another.
“It looks like anyone can just show up with a pair of shorts and gloves and make a challenge,” was another comment.

Why do Tai Chi guys insist on getting humiliated like this in the ring?

THREADS
Ding Hao (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71328-Wing-Chun-Master-Ding-Hao)
MMA Challenges to Kung Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71327-MMA-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
A Challenge (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?29936-A-Challenge)

[GeneChing]

68-year-old tai chi “master” knocked down 3 times in 30-second match against MMA fighter (http://shanghaiist.com/2020/05/19/68-year-old-tai-chi-master-knocked-down-3-times-in-30-second-match-against-mma-fighter/?fbclid=IwAR0e2sBRQ1QmJAJWN9V136A1v-K94R-vT244f4frwEeb9ejji9JKuN1nVhA)
Despite appearances, he is still claiming victory
by Alex Linder May 19, 2020 in News

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An elderly tai chi “master” has become the latest of his cohort to not last long in the ring against a more modern martial artist.
The fight staged on Sunday in the Shandong city of Zibo pitted a 50-year-old MMA and kickboxing hobbyist named Wang Qingmin against 68-year-old Ma Baoguo (马保国).
Ma claims to be a master of Hunyuan Tai Chi. He also claims to have a ball of energy in his hand and to have defeated a British MMA “champion” a few years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5PUFJ5Tq44&feature=emb_logo

His fight against Wang, however, didn’t quite go so well. He was knocked to the ground three times in 30 seconds after being repeatedly punched in the face.
Fortunately, Ma was okay after the match and suffered no significant injuries. It’s unclear if the fight promoter will face any trouble for organizing a match where a senior citizen was KO-ed.
Despite appearances, Ma has gone on to claim victory, claiming that he stopped the match before breaking his opponent’s nose.
Here’s how his face looked while making that argument:

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The trend in China of unmasking self-proclaimed kung fu masters by knocking them out was started by MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong who infamously beat one such tai chi “master” to the floor in 10 seconds in 2017.
Xu went on to issue a challenge afterward to any traditional Chinese martial arts masters who believed that they could take him down in a no-holds-barred fight. He even bragged that he was willing to take on two or three “masters” at the same time to prove to the world that they are nothing but frauds.
Ma Baoguo was one of those to accept Xu’s challenge. However, their match was stopped by police in Shanghai just minutes before it was set to take place back in 2017.
Ma has always been outspoken about his own abilities. He has bragged that he would be able to beat Chinese MMA champion Zhang Weili without hurting her or even breaking a sweat.
He has also claimed to have beaten British MMA fighter Peter Irving in a match.
As proof, Ma has showcased footage of the two sparring. Irving says that he was paid to be an actor in the video, which he understood as some sort of vanity project for Ma.

THREADS
MMA Challenges to Kung Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71327-MMA-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
A Challenge (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?29936-A-Challenge)

[GeneChing]

Ma Baoguo’s opponent ‘scared’ before KO’ing tai chi master in 30 seconds – and had to pay to fight (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3085441/referee-asked-tai-chi-master-ma-baoguo-show)
Wang Qingmin tells local media he used Chinese kung fu style to knock out 69-year-old tai chi master in first interview since viral fight
Amateur boxer has received no prize money and paid US$92 to fight Ma, who reportedly earned US$28,000 for 30-second bout

Jonathan White
Published: 10:48am, 27 May, 2020
Updated: 11:29am, 27 May, 2020

However, Wang said he beat Ma with a traditional Chinese kung fu style. He was registered as an MMA fighter but used the Chinese style of Xing Yi Quan, rather than Western martial arts as media reported.

Referee asked tai chi master Ma Baoguo to show mercy before embarrassing 30-second KO
Pre-fight footage emerges on Chinese social media showing referee expected tai chi master to deliver a one-sided beat down
Referee appeals to 69-year-old to show mercy to his opponent – ‘when I say stop, you can’t continue to hit him’


Jonathan White
Published: 4:02pm, 21 May, 2020
Updated: 6:25pm, 21 May, 2020


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A still from the video of tai chi master Ma Baoguo (right) talking to the referee ahead of his embarrassing 30-second knockout. Photo: Hupu

The knockout of 69-year-old tai chi master Ma Baoguo by a former martial arts coach 20 years his junior in Shandong has been watched around the world, with fans in China and overseas ridiculing the older man for taking on the challenge.
Ma was knocked down twice before being knocked out within 30 seconds and taken to hospital, where he recovered and has since left.
However, footage from before the fight that shows a conversation between Ma and the fight referee shared on Chinese social media seems to indicate that they were expecting the fight to be one-sided the other way.
The referee apparently appeals to Ma to show mercy to his opponent, telling him three times: “I have just one requirement, when I say stop you have to stop, you can’t continue to hit him.”

Ma for his part warned the referee ahead of the fight, “I am afraid of my [tai chi] routine hurting you” to which the referee replied, “I am not afraid”.

As it was, they were right about it being a one-sided fight.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GdqJ_wj2nE&feature=emb_logo

Ma had built a reputation for outlandish statements, calling UFC strawweight champion Zhang Weili “stupid” and claiming that he could beat her in a fight.



THREADS
MMA Challenges to Kung Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71327-MMA-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
A Challenge (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?29936-A-Challenge)
Zhang Weili (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71462-Zhang-Weili)

[No_Know]

The non MMA guys seem to shuffle their feet with little to no time to root feet. In TCC I might think that if one does not root the feet one cannot punch, one cannot deflect. If they are not using TCC principles then TCC is not been defeated as it has not been used.-Ernie Moore Jr.

I No_Know

[GeneChing]

This guy really needs his own indie thread but I'll do that some other time maybe...


Disgraced Chinese tai chi master Ma Baoguo ‘walks away from kung fu’ after fresh online ridicule (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/kung-fu/article/3110307/disgraced-chinese-tai-chi-master-ma-baoguo-walks-away)
Ma Baoguo, who went viral in May after being knocked down three times in 30 seconds, announces he has ‘returned to peaceful life’
Tai chi master again trending on Chinese social media in spoof videos, with humiliated German football team also mocked
Jonathan White
Published: 11:38am, 18 Nov, 2020

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Disgraced Chinese tai chi master Ma Baoguo has apparently walked away from martial arts after a resurgence in online ridicule over the weekend.
The 69-year-old became an overnight celebrity in May when he was knocked down three times in 30 seconds in a fight with 50-year-old amateur boxer Wang Qingmin in Zibo, Shandong.
Ma’s official Weibo account posted on Sunday for the first time since May, writing that “Ma has returned to a peaceful life, away from the martial arts circle of right and wrong. I hope everyone can understand it”.
This came in response to a renewed interest in the martial artist as netizens created spoof videos, coinciding with the six-month anniversary of his viral loss to Wang.

Ma’s account addressed the rise in videos, which had also seen him trend as a search topic on Weibo once more.

“Recently, a lot of various clips about Ma Lao have appeared on the internet. The information on the internet is very messy, so everyone must be able to distinguish clearly.

“This is our only window platform to the outside world. All information is subject to this release. Thank you.”
That was the first post on the account since a similar denial in mid-May following the dramatic knockout by Wang within 30 seconds.

Chinese netizens have been creating videos inserting Ma into well-known action films or doctoring images to place him in films such as The Godfather , where he replaced Marlon Brando.

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Ma Baoguo at the start of the fight with Wang Qingmin. Photo: YouTube
The ridicule has come from all corners. Even Ke Jie, the 23-year-old Go world champion, released a video on Chinese-platform Bilibili spoofing Ma.
Another video, posted by PP Sports, showed Germany football coach Joachim Loew, whose side were thrashed 6-0 by Spain in the Uefa Nations League on Tuesday. It had been edited so Loew explained why his face was swollen, much like the posts Ma made after his defeat to Wang.
It has been pointed out that videos spoofing Ma on Bilibili have been viewed more than 100 million times.

Such videos often focus on sayings from Ma’s own videos, including “rat tail juice”, “sneak attack” and “young people do not speak martial arts”.
Many users have set up fake accounts pretending to be Ma, which he denounced on his official account back in May.
“There are now many people on the internet pretending to be Mr Ma Baoguo to post false news,” the official account posted back then.
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Ma Baoguo is tended to by medical staff after getting knocked out. Photo” YouTube
“We have not accepted any interviews with anyone. All the news is based on the official Weibo account of “Hunyuan Xingyi Taijiquan Ma Baoguo” that has been certified with V. Yes, the picture below shows some fake accounts, please tell the netizens clearly.”
Elsewhere, another edited photo saw Xi’an’s Changan University move to deny that they had employed Ma to teach martial arts to students.
Someone had doctored images of the “announcement” and shared them on social media – the giveaway being the real university has a blue “verified” logo rather than the red “V” in the pictures – as reported by Chengdu’s Red Star News.

“We don’t know who sent this picture and there is no way to verify it,” a staff member was quoted as saying. They also refused to confirm whether Ma Baoguo was an alumnus of the university.
Earlier this year, the China Wushu Association issued a proposal to clear up the definition of martial arts.
This came in a response to Ma and other self-proclaimed “masters” going viral online after humiliating defeats.


Jonathan White

Jonathan White joined the Post in 2017 after a decade reporting on sport from China. He originally moved to Beijing to coach football in 2007 and later spent two years in Shanghai.

[GeneChing]

Ma Baoguo gets his own indie thread (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71926-Ma-Baoguo) now, separate from the A Challenge thread (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?29936-A-Challenge). I'll be amused if we ever hear from him again.


Ridiculed ‘tai chi master Old Man Ma’ retires (https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020/11/19/ridiculed-tai-chi-master-old-man-ma-retires)
NATION
Thursday, 19 Nov 2020

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Compiled by ALLISON LAI and C. ARUNO

SELF-PROCLAIMED tai chi master Ma Baoguo (pic), who courted online ridicule after he was knocked out by a mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter in 30 seconds earlier this year, announced that he will be retiring from the sports, reported Sin Chew Daily.

“There have been lots of edited videos of Old Man Ma online. The messages being spread are chaotic and everyone needs to discern truth from fiction.

“Old Man Ma wants to return to a quieter life and stay away from gossip in the martial arts circle, ” the 69-year-old wrote on Weibo on Sunday.

However, his post was met with scorn by Chinese netizens.

“How can you retire, Teacher Ma, when you are our daily source of humorous content?” one quipped.

Ma became notorious online after boasting that Chinese traditional martial arts were superior to MMA and that he could even beat UFC strawweight champion Zhang Weili.

He was soon challenged by several MMA fighters and his first match against amateur hobbyist Wang Qingmin ended in a 30-second knockout.

This time, the 41-year-old posted a photo of himself on Instagram dressed in an outlandish jacket, spotting a beanie and oversized glasses in what was viewed as an attempt to make a comeback to the entertainment scene.

“I came to a familiar place, met familiar people, and everything was no longer strange to me, ” he wrote.

However, his posts only garnered ridicule from Internet users.

“Don’t come here. We will resist you, ” one wrote.

Lo has maintained a relatively low profile after a scandal erupted in April when he was accused of cheating on former girlfriend and Internet celebrity Grace Chow with multiple women.

The scandal was reported to have caused him to lose nearly TW$600mil (RM86mil) in axed celebrity endorsement deals.

The above articles are compiled from the vernacular newspapers (Bahasa Malaysia, Chinese and Tamil dailies). As such, stories are grouped according to the respective language/medium.

[GeneChing]

Video: Watch MMA fighter finish tai chi ‘master’ with a jab (https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/12/1/21755039/video-xu-xiaodong-watch-mma-fighter-finish-tai-chi-master-with-a-jab-mma-vs-tai-chi-mma-news)
Xu Xiaodong is back!
By Tim Bissell@timobiss Dec 1, 2020, 1:00pm EST

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Fight Commentary Breakdowns/YouTube
Xu Xiaodong is back at it again.

‘It’—in case you are unfamiliar with the Beijing based MMA instructor, who goes by ‘Mad Dog’—is whooping traditional martial arts masters who are accused of being charlatans and fakers.

After a break from these bizarre style vs. style fights Xu got back in the cage (which this time was set up in a forest clearing in Guangzhou, Guangdong Province) recently to face Chen Yong, a self-proclaimed sixth-generation Tai Chi master.

Footage of the fight was uploaded to Fight Commentary Breakdowns (which features many Xu clips and other style vs. style fights).


As you can see this was barely a contest. Within seconds of the fight, Xu threw a front kick at Chen, then a right leg kick, left jab combination. Off the jab Chen reeled back to the fence like he was on a wire. He then waved his arms to signal he was finished.

According to Jerry Liu of Fight Commentary Breakdowns Chen had called for this fight with Xu to be postponed twice, so he could get in extra training. Maybe he was training how to get out of a fight without getting seriously hurt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPVCfyS7zA&feature=emb_logo

Unlike Chen, many traditional martial artists have taken a beating when fighting Xu (or other MMA fighters inspired by Mad Dog’s crusade).

This whole thing started in 2017. That’s when Xu began arguing with traditional martial artists on Chinese social media platform Weibo. Xu’s contention was that MMA was supreme for both self-defense and combat sports and that traditional styles had little-to-no use in actual combat settings. Xu also argued that so-called masters who claimed they could wield supernatural-like powers through qi channeling and pressure point manipulation were con-artists exaggerating their skills to sell school admissions and videos.

This argument boiled over when Xu and tai chi practitioner Wei Lei agreed to fight behind closed doors at a gym in Chengdu. The fight ended in 10 seconds, with Xu knocking Wei out cold.

Footage of this fight went viral. And Xu soaked up all the attention. He issued an open challenge to any traditional martial artist and offered a cash prize to any who could beat him. A number of individuals responded to the callout and a local juice tycoon even offered to add to the bounty for anyone who could beat Xu.

All this attention ruffled the feathers of the powerful Chinese Wushu Association and the Chinese government.

Over the past few years, while Xu has racked up a handful of viral KOs of tai chi and wing chun players, he has also faced pressure from the traditional martial arts community and the government.

Xu’s social media accounts have been closed down and wiped by the State on multiple occasions. He was also sued for defamation by a tai chi master (whose lawsuit was bankrolled by the Chinese Wushu Association). That lawsuit resulted in Xu having to apologize to the plaintiff for seven-straight days. Xu also had to pay a fine and have his social credit rating slashed.

Xu’s social credit rating was reduced to a level where he could no longer rent or own property or travel on high speed public transit.

Despite these obstacles Xu remains keen on exposing what he calls ‘fake martial artists’. During these past few years Xu has also showed he’s not afraid of speaking out against the government.

He has gone on record to defend both protestors in Hong Kong (who were battling mainland China’s power grab on the territory) and whistle blowers who revealed the chaotic handling of the COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan.

Such activities have resulted in visits from Chinese police and officials.

threads
Xu-Xiaodong-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-Xu-Xiaodong-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
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Chen can't even make of decent excuses. Each one of these is weak. He just makes himself look worse.


Xu Xiaodong: tai chi master blames sunlight, cage floor and no time for 10-second defeat (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3112776/xu-xiaodong-tai-chi-master-blames-sunlight)
Chen Yong posts video on social media to explain loss, says tai chi cannot generate force on soft ground
‘When Xu Xiaodong hit me I was just finding my groove and then I was blinded by the sun,’ loser says of 10-second defeat
Jonathan White
Published: 5:56pm, 6 Dec, 2020

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Tai chi master Chen Yong records a video for social media to explain the reasons he lost his fight to Xu Xiaodong. Photo: YouTube
Fresh off his defeat by Xu Xiaodong last weekend, beaten tai chi master Chen Yong made a video explaining the reasons he lost in a video that was dramatically longer than the 10-second fight.
The pair finally fought their long-awaited bout in the mountains of Guangdong province last weekend, two years after Chen first challenged Xu.
This was Xu’s return to the cage after an extended break because of China’s fight against the Covid-19 pandemic.
When they did finally fight it lasted all of 10 seconds with Xu twice kicking and jabbing the self-proclaimed tai chi master, who then threw in the towel.
Chen later posted on social media as to why he had not beaten “Mad Dog” in their fight, with the video surfacing on YouTube in its original Mandarin last week.
The tai chi master began by blaming a lack of preparation for the fight, saying he had no time to prepare for the bout that he twice postponed.
“When I arrived it was rushed. Why? Because it started two hours early,” Chen said as he appears to read prompts from a phone. “I had no time to warm up.”
Chen also blamed a lack of familiarity with where the fight was held, saying he had not been at the site in a year.
“The moment I stepped into the cage I realised the ground was so soft. I have been practising for a year on hard surfaces, soft surfaces inhibit tai chi.
“The power and force that comes from tai chi can’t be found on soft surfaces.
Chen then pointed the blame at the referee.


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“The ref put me facing the sun and he put Xu Xiaodong’s back against the sun,” Chen said. “I had the sun in my eyes but I wasn’t completely aware of that at first.”
The sun “became very apparent” when the match started, he said. “When Xu Xiaodong hit me I was just finding my groove and then I was blinded by the sun.”
Chen said he “lost by a fluke” as he reiterated his claim that the cage floor was too soft.

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