knuckles on the centerline or center of fist on the center line

[sumyoungdummy]

I am interested to find out what the members on this forum think. Please tell me your opinions and give an explanation. I have read many books and one said that the knuckles should line up on the centerline and not the center of the fist, but when I looked at an illustration,the knuckles didn't line up directly on the centerline. It appeared to me that the center of the fist lined up on the center line (self centerline). What do you think is correct? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[TjD]

is the proper structure of the fist :) placement like that doesnt matter if you have nothing to back it up

peace
trav

Receive what comes, Escort what leaves, and if there is an opening, rush in

[sunkuen]

I prefer to put my knuckles on the other guy's chinline! ;)

[sumyoungdummy]

"Placement like that doesn't matter unless you have something to back it up" doesn't answer the question. Neither does punching on the chin. It appears that a problem with wing chun is that instructors are not giving students the proper explanations on the proper alignments of various techniques. Or maybe that students don't ask. I'm interested in what's structuraly safe when using techniques. This is what seperates this system from others. Doesn't stamina, balance, footwork, angle structure and theories matter? If it doesn't then I don't know what you're learning or what's being taught.

Everything matters! Wing Chun students have questions. I and I'm sure that others want to know why wing chun is different from other systems. Why do we do the things we do? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[dzu]

Sometimes you don't have the luxury of ideal placement. You just have to hit from where your hands are. I aim with my knuckles and lead with the elbow and try to get my structure in line by the time the movement ends.

Dzu

[sunkuen]

closest weapon,closest target! The shortest path to the target may not lie on Your centerline.

[sumyoungdummy]

Sunkuen and Dzu what you guys say makes sense. A better question would be when a beginner is learning the 1st form would you tell him to line up the knuckles at the end of the punch on the self centerline or the middle of the fist? The first and second punch in the beginning of the form I'm talking about. I read in a book that the knuckles should line up on a vertical line that separates the body in half and that line should be used as a reference point on which your knuckles line up. What do you think about that? During your first form or during your chain punches do your knuckles line up on the centerline or does the middle of your fist line up on the centerlin. I'm not talking about when you punch a guy I'm talking about when you practice the punches in the 1st form or when you practice the chain punches in the air. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[ghoyd]

In Sil Lim Tao, the center of the fist should be on center.

Also to answer your question another way:

Look at chain punching,,,, one fist should replace the other (on the target). This does not happen if you go on the knuckles. Also if you punch with the knuckles on center when chain punching, you would be making an x pattern. This should not be the case (well except when retracting,,, but that's another post). They generally follow the same line.

Gary Hoyd
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[Martin Foot]

This one’s for free,
Extend both arms in front of you with both fists clenched with the little fingers parallel to the ground; rotate the top of both fists outwards by 45 degrees. You should have both knuckles of little finger touching & you should see the line of the knuckles of the phalanges making a V shape in front of you, (this adjustment allows the knuckles of the phalanges to clear what ever your hitting so your less likely to break a finger when you hit your opponent with power, it also rotates the radius & ulna so aligning the elbow with the floor, grounding your punch & increasing your power) now draw either fist back to the opposite elbow, commence chain punching, guiding the knuckle of the little finger over the opposite little finger knuckle. You will find that if you keep the knuckle of the little finger on the centre line in this way you will not be punching across your centre line.
Play with this concept & improve on it, & then let me know how you get on.

Respect
Martin.
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Knuckles on the centerline is less then ideal.

[Jeff Liboiron]

I always keep my fist on the centre line, unless my opponent is not at my centre, i don't think it matters much, but you should check with your sifu and see what he thinks.

[whippinghand]

"Look at chain punching,,,, one fist should replace the other (on the target)."

Assuming that chain punching is a good idea in the first place.