ot- chronicles of rid****

[Shaolinlueb]

vin diesel looks like he plays the same character in that other movie pitch black. are the two connected at all?

[Vash]

Yeah, it's a semisequel to Pitch Black. Vin was talking about it on the Daily Show back when "xxx" came out.

[dwid]

It's the prequel to Pitch Black. It's the story of what happened to Diesel's character prior (I believe immediately prior) to Pitch Black.

[Vash]

It looks pretty good.

Pitch Black was good, too.

[Judge Pen]

Pitch Black was awesome because it was moody and understated. I'll hold out judgment on the chronicles to see if they do it right or throuw together some non-sense summer action movie.

[MasterKiller]

From the trailer, it looks like a non-sense summer action movie. I liked Pitch Black, though.

[red5angel]

It's not a prequel, it's after the Pitch Black movie. It also sounds like there is supposed to be atleast one more film if not two more in the series. Vin Diesel mentioned that it was a story supposed to be told in three films, but didn't mention if that included Pitch Black or starts with Chronicles.

Overall I'm fairly excited for it. Pitch Black was cheesy, "B" quality but it was fun as hell and Rid**** was a great character.

[Shaolinlueb]

awesome. yeah right after i posted this i looked on imdb. :doh:

:D

pitch black was awesome. i thought it was a great action movie. i want to see this movie too. it looks sweet. when i heard cedromunda i thought it was about warhammer at first. :o

[Vash]

Originally posted by Shaolinlueb
when i heard cedromunda i thought it was about warhammer at first. :o

Who's Warhammer?

[dwid]

It's not a prequel, it's after the Pitch Black movie.

Sorry for the bad info. I read an article about the videogame based on the film, and they said the movie was a prequel.

Anyway, I think Pitch Black was probably Diesel's best performance to date. There was at least a little depth to his character as opposed to the cardboard cutout tough guys he's been playing since then. Hopefully he'll turn in another decent performance in Ridd!ck.

I'll go see it regardless. I can't resist big budget sci fi movies, no matter how lame they often end up being. Hell, I'm going to see I, Robot, and I'm pretty sure it's going to be lame.

[red5angel]

I think it was being touted as a prequel at first but the interview I read with him mentions he makes a stop at some snow planet to pick up the only other survivor of the first movie.

My prediction is this movie will be delightfully cheesy. Any movie that has planet called "Cremetoria" is going to be awesome!

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by dwid

Hell, I'm going to see I, Robot, and I'm pretty sure it's going to be lame.

You may be right, but I like Will Smith and the source material's author has turned out some really good stories that became classic Sci-Fi so it might be good.

[red5angel]

just don't go expecting it to be the freakin book on the big screen. nothing ****es me off more then walking out of a movie and hearing some **** complaining that it was nothing like the book, well DUH!

[MasterKiller]

[writer rant]

Nothing I hate more than some coked-up Hollywood producer and director conspiring to make the source material "more accessible" so the vast majority of stupid Americans won't feel dumb while watching the movie version.

[/writer rant]

[dwid]

I haven't actually read I, Robot, and I don't plan on reading it in the near future (maybe after seeing the movie I'll be inspired to read it). However, I've been told the story is more or less a puzzle of logic, which doesn't translate well into an action film format. So, I'm not really expecting the movie to follow anything beyond the bare bones of the story. I have an open mind about it. I liked A.I., even though it certainly would have been a different film if Kubrick had lived to make it.

Regarding the whole dumbing down stories issue, I think Bladerunner is a classic example of a translation to film that stayed true to the spirit of the story while eliminating whole elements of the story to make it more accessible. It's a shame more directors don't approach the source material with the respect that Ridley Scott did with that film.

[MasterKiller]

Even worse is Mel-Gibson-Syndrome, when an actor feels "his repsonsibility" to make the movie better by writing his own scenes into the movie (ala Payback), or getting a director fired because he cut too many of your scenes and forcing the studio to allow you to edit your own cut of the film (ala Edward Norton).

If you are paid to act, then act. Leave the writing to the people who get paid to do it.

[dwid]

Well, Mel Gibson just likes to be tortured in his movies. Probably some kind of masochism from his traditionalist Catholic upbringing. I guess in the original Payback script, only like a third of the movie was Gibson being tortured, so it clearly wasn't enough.

I suppose Ed Norton is probably just a d!ck. Good actor though.

I will go as far as to say I don't have a problem with actors changing some of the lines of a character to better fit their vision of the character. Acting is, after all, an art form, so it's more than just rote memorization and regurgitation of lines. Since most hollywood scripts go through several studio writers to punch them up, etc... between when they leave the original screenwriters hands and when the movie is actually made, I just consider a good actor to be one more participant in that process.

[red5angel]

dwid - I actually thought BladeRunner was a "smarter" version of the story. The book sort of lays everything out for you. Everytime I watch BR I get something new out of it. It's my favorite movie ever.


MK - I agree but for the most part you can't expect hollywood, which is designed to make money first, entertain second, to not dumb down something. Along those lines look at PG-13, I hate that rating and feel it's ruined the movie industry for adults. I like action films, I like a little T and A and maybe some gore form time to time. I cringe when I think of what PG-13 has done for some movies that could have been that much better. Just think of Conan the Barbarian if PG13 were around at that time!

[dwid]

dwid - I actually thought BladeRunner was a "smarter" version of the story. The book sort of lays everything out for you. Everytime I watch BR I get something new out of it. It's my favorite movie ever.

It is a smart story. The director's cut is smarter than the theatrical cut, though. The voice overs in the original cut were annoying.

I like that Ridley Scott confined himself to just one main aspect of the story. For example, the book is loaded with stuff about Mercerism, the religion that actually comes up in a lot of PKD's work, and that would have just been too much to fit into the movie and really doesn't serve the central storyline. All in all, I agree with you that there's a lot to pick up from multiple viewings. I love Rutger Hauer's death speech, so dramatic it's almost worthy of Shakespeare.

[red5angel]

I'm pretty sure I'm the only guy on the face of this planet who liked the original. The voice overs gave it a noirish feel, something Scott was looking for anyway. Those narrations are classic detective stuff.

I'm scared they're going to take Jeters work and turn it into a movie. I'm insulted by his crappy follow up books. Like Zahn with Star Wars, it's almost like Jeter didn't bother to watch the movie, but sort of skimmed over it then wrote a "sequel". Here scott took the underlying commentaries on humanity, intelligence and life, and turned it into a fine dam movie, and Jeters follows through with mindless action.

[Chang Style Novice]

Actually Jeter was a close friend of PKD. He's definitely his own writer, though, not an imitator.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by red5angel
I'm pretty sure I'm the only guy on the face of this planet who liked the original. The voice overs gave it a noirish feel, something Scott was looking for anyway. Those narrations are classic detective stuff..

I liked the original, but I loved the director's cut. The original had the feel of a sci-fi Chinatown and really harkened back to that genre, but the D.C. was such much more cereberal and let the images convey the emotions. Plus the ambigiousness ending coupled with the deleated dream sequence changed the story from the original.

[Chang Style Novice]

Back to Riddck, the best thing I can say about 'Pitch Black' is that it was not worse than prison rape. Probably. I've never experienced prison rape, so I don't want to stick my neck too far out here.

[Vash]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
I've never experienced prison rape.

This from the dude with a Catbus as an avatar.

[Chang Style Novice]

Catbus would totally prison rape Akuma.

[Vash]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Catbus would totally prison rape Akuma.

Nah, it'd be a mutual thing.

[Kristoffer]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
[writer rant]

Nothing I hate more than some coked-up Hollywood producer and director conspiring to make the source material "more accessible" so the vast majority of stupid Americans won't feel dumb while watching the movie version.

[/writer rant]


Beautifully put. I agree 100 %
Someone mentioned I.Robot earlier. I think the original story might be hard to transfer into the big screen. BUT. I remembered the book to be quite violent and since Will "wicky-wow-wow" Smith is innit I can't imagine it to be ANNYTHING like the source. I smell a Disney adventure on this one. Sadly..

[dwid]

I'm scared they're going to take Jeters work and turn it into a movie.

I'm confused. Who is this Jeter fellow and what movie are they making based on his work?

[Shaolinlueb]

Originally posted by Vash


Who's Warhammer?


www.gamesworkshop.com


edit

http://store.us.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.us?do=Odd&odd=NewLayout&_do=DoRace&game=8

thats necormunda.

[Serpent]

Jeter wrote a couple of godawful sequels to BladeRunner. Truly sacriligeous to the greatest movie of all time.

"If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!"

Brilliant!

[dwid]

Jeter wrote a couple of godawful sequels to BladeRunner. Truly sacriligeous to the greatest movie of all time.

And they're making a movie based on these sequels?

[red5angel]

as Serpent said he wrote some crappy a$$ follow ups, not to DADOES, but to the movie itself. He took all the soul out of it and turned into crap, not too mention the guy can't write worth a d@mned.
As for movies, I heard a rumor a few years ago and I'm crossing my fingers it doesn't happen.

[Chang Style Novice]

I haven't read his Blade Runner sequels, but his original fiction really ain't bad at all. As I remember - it has been a while.

[red5angel]

The only thing I ever read of his was the sequel to Blade Runner. I didn't get around to trying to choke down the third book cause the first one was so bad.