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IronFist
05-26-2004, 07:01 AM
Look at this email I just got:


Please read this email now, because there’s a
time-sensitive offer below.

Comrade,

My friend and publisher John Du Cane, has created a
special promotion for my new book, "The N.a.k.e.d
Warrior" that is out of this world. When you buy
“The N.a.k.e.d Warrior” today at Amazon.com, you're
going to need super-strength just to carry away the
over $2000 of other fr.ee bonus gifts that our
friends have put together for you.

Read John’s letter below, and then I recommend you
grab at least one copy of my book while the bonus
gifts are available. Trust me, you’ll be glad you
did.

Already own the book? When you see the $2000 plus of
bonuses you get below (including a brand new ebook
from me) you won't hesitate to get a second copy--or
more--how many friends or relatives don't you know
whose strength would go through the roof if you gave
them a copy of "The N.a.k.e.d Warrior"? They will
thank you for life!

Power to you!
Pavel


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This is urgent, important and an absolutely amazing opportunity.
Please take a minute from your busy schedule and read this letter. . .

I promise you will not regret it.

And, here's why . . .

During the next 24 hours you can get some of the world's greatest
strength-conditioning materials AND receive health & success secrets valued
at over $2,053 as fr.ee bonus gifts, but only for today!

After two months of long hours, late nights and weekends preparing, my
colleagues and I have created the biggest and most mind-blowing fr.ee bonus
gift offer you'll ever get your hands on.

Why are we doing this?

Quite simply, to draw your attention to something that is really important -
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And.we also have a deep desire to help Pavel create a best seller today with
his latest masterpiece "The Naked Warrior - Master The Secrets of the
Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only"

What is "The Naked Warrior"? It's a program that is filled with proven
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in as little as one week, using simple bodyweight exercises (but you'll get
to see a massive list of additional benefits when you read more of this
email below)!

Just how vital and important could Pavel's The Naked Warrior be for your
health and strength?

None other than John McKean, the six-time All-Round Weightlifting World
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And Arthur Dreschler, author of the prestigious Weightlifting Encyclopedia,
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level."

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Step 2. Once you receive your Amazon.com confirmation, please follow this
link to enter your Amazon.com order number and you'll be directed to the
bonus page:


Before I get way ahead of myself, here's what you'll get for fr.ee with the
purchase of Pavel's incredible course "The Naked Warrior - Master The
Secrets of the Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only" (just for
today):

Bonus Gift #1
The Naked Warrior Guide to Hanging Leg Raises-For Functionally Tougher,
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(Value $19.95)

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(Value $97)

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(Value $29)

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(Value $19)



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IronFist
05-26-2004, 07:03 AM
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Now is the time to go for it! Make your decision right now because after
midnight tonight this deal is off.

You're about to get more value than anyone could ever pack into a deal plus
a whole lot more with "The Naked Warrior - Master The Secrets of the
Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only".

How can you get all of these items right now?

Easy! By following the next two steps:

Step 1. Order a copy of Pavel's "The Naked Warrior - Master The Secrets of
the Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only". Go to Amazon.com


Step 2. Once you receive your Amazon.com confirmation, please follow this
link to enter your Amazon.com order number and you'll be directed to the
bonus page:


Or, keep reading and you'll see the endless ways you'll gain by investing in
"The Naked Warrior - Master The Secrets of the Super-Strong Using Bodyweight
Exercises Only".

First, let me ask you a couple of questions:

How many people do you know (and maybe you are one of them) that started
some kind of a fitness program and didn't carry on after a devoted attempt?

Why do you suppose that happens?

Is it the program?

Is it too difficult to understand?

Is it complicated beyond any laymen's comprehension?

Is it too expensive to buy the equipment or join the gym?

Well, all that is over. Pavel has made it dirt simple to follow his course.
As a matter of fact, he calls it "The Graduate Course" because your body
will be graduated to a level of super conditioned.

Here's just a snapshot of the many benefits that are yours for the
taking:

Gain more brute strength in days than you did in years

Learn how to get a world-class power lifter's quality workout - using your
body only

Discover the magic of the world's most effective strength routine

Get a harder, firmer and functionally-fitter body

Be unbelievably resilient-and conquer any challenge

Get a dynamite strength workout at a moment's notice - wherever you are.

Get a fantastic workout without a gym and without weights.

Discover how to have laser-like focus and achieve amazing new feats of
personal strength.

Pavel is world renowned and if he did offer his services as a personal
one-on-one Coach (but he doesn't), he'd likely charge an hourly rate of
$1,000, but you can get the best of Pavel with "The Naked Warrior - Master
The Secrets of the Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only"
for a very low investment of $39.95

Plus, remember for today only you get the $2,053 worth of fr.ee bonus gifts
we mentioned above.

If you're seriously ready to reward your happy body with the ultimate
conditioning make-over, follow these 2 easy steps:

Step 1. Order a copy of Pavel's "The Naked Warrior - Master The Secrets of
the Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only". Go to Amazon.com

Step 2. Once you receive your Amazon.com confirmation, please follow this
link to enter your Amazon.com order number and you'll be directed to the
bonus page.

I'm going to go out on a limb and ask you to trust me on this. There is no
value you can place on the importance of being in great physical condition.
You are flat out worth it!

Maybe all you needed was some basic knowledge and a willingness to follow
through. We've made it really easy for you to do that - today and you'll be
rewarded with an immense amount of supportive and valuable products and
resources.

When you follow through on this unique opportunity and you get your copy of
Pavel's program, you'll soon know why this one works and other programs fail
miserably.

And, you don't need sophisticated equipment or a fashionable wardrobe.
You can follow this right in the comfort of your own home.

Tony Blauer, one of the top defensive tactics and a close-quarter combat
instructor in the law enforcement and military community coined the
expression The Naked Warrior. Why? Because he felt that he should be able
to take care of himself with or without equipment.

That's precisely what you get with "The Naked Warrior - Master The Secrets
of the Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only".

Refuse to cave in to circumstances. Make one of the wisest decisions you'll
ever make right now - and get "The Naked Warrior - Master The Secrets of the
Super-Strong Using Bodyweight Exercises Only" and all of the gifts.

The final fact is:
.no matter who you are, whether you are young or old, weak or strong, rich
or poor, Pavel will show you, by demonstration, how to create a super strong
body, completely and easily, without inconvenience or loss of time.

The time is now - not next week or maybe in a month, or some other time.
It's right now. Grab a hold of this opportunity. It's rare, it's unique,
it's jammed full of great value and you'll be rewarded immediately.

If you have the desire, we have the way.

Warmly,

John Du Cane
Dragon Door Publications

P.S. There are likely plenty of people who are trying to waste your time
with things you don't really want or need. I'm not one of those people.
This is a real offer, carefully created for you. There is no such thing as
a coincidence. You're reading this today for a reason.



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IronFist
05-26-2004, 07:04 AM
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P.P.S. Just think! You're going to save yourself years of trying to find the
best conditioning program and, not to mention, eliminating the pain and
hassle of trying to figure out who has the best strategies to help you. Now,
you can get everything all done for you, practically handed to you on a
silver platter wrapped up with $2,053 worth of fr.ee bonus gifts. You simply
place your order...and you're on your way to the greatest strength
conditioning system on the planet within one minute -- flat!


AOL and other users without live links, copy and paste these addresses
http://snipurl.com/6ajh Naked Warrior on Amazon.com
http://www.dragondoor.com/warriorbonus.html Amazon Bonus Receipt Page

Are they giving away all that free stuff just to bump his book up to a higher sales ranking? There has to be some reason. Maybe they get a bonus if they sell x copies or something.

Ford Prefect
05-26-2004, 07:10 AM
No idea how the "best seller system works". Maybe they are looking at it just for advertisement purposes in being able to say Pavel is a "best seller" author and the book is a "best seller". If you get it, forward me the smoothies for athletes. ;) I have the book though. It kind of sucks.

IronFist
05-26-2004, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Ford Prefect
No idea how the "best seller system works". Maybe they are looking at it just for advertisement purposes in being able to say Pavel is a "best seller" author and the book is a "best seller". If you get it, forward me the smoothies for athletes. ;) I have the book though. It kind of sucks.

You have the naked warrior book? Yeah. I can already do one armed pushups and pistols, so I figure I don't need it.

Ford Prefect
05-26-2004, 11:37 AM
That's basically all it shows. Pretty lame. He's getting worse and worse.

Ka
05-26-2004, 04:52 PM
Marketing at its best.:rolleyes:.Doesn't sound like anything new.
Just get the information off people already doing it (for free)

IronFist
05-26-2004, 09:13 PM
Look at this (http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/278462/) post by John DuCane himself.

I was right.

Wtf tho, "$2000 worth of freebies?" Can I just have the $2000 instead? Crap. You can say what you're giving away is worth whatever you want. I'm not saying it's worthless, I'm just saying that this is the same tactics that infomercials use: "this product would normally sell for $200, but you can pay only $19.99." The product would probably normally sell for $19.99, and you're paying $19.99. People just jack up the prices to make you think you're getting a good deal and be more likely to buy it. Cuz you wouldn't spend $19.99 on something normally, but if it's really worth $300 you might.

IronFist
05-26-2004, 09:16 PM
Oh, you can read my (http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/278471/) post there, too.

Ford Prefect
05-27-2004, 05:57 AM
Looks like good old PT Barnum proves his intelligence once again.

"There's a sucker born every minute."

Serpent
05-27-2004, 06:10 AM
"This way to the Egress--->"

IronFist
05-27-2004, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Serpent
"This way to the Egress--->"

Sorry, what's an Egress?

Vash
05-27-2004, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by IronFist


Sorry, what's an Egress?

lol

You wanna leave?

Serpent
05-27-2004, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by IronFist


Sorry, what's an Egress?
P T Barnum had trouble with people leaving his show as they would stay for ages to see all the "wonders" he had on display and it would get crowded. Not enough marks passing through paying their dollar (or whatever it was) to enter. So he came up with a plan. He put a little room behind a curtain, with a door at the back. Then he put a sign by the curtain saying "This way to the Egress". People would be all, "Ooh, another wonder! Let's go see the Egress!" and they would head through the curtain, see the door, go through the door and be outside. Show's over.

Egress is another word for Exit.

;)

FooFighter
05-27-2004, 07:55 AM
First I have to admit marketing business is pretty lame and it is built on much hype but hey that is like an American tradition. John DuCane is an American business man and thank god he has Pavel helping him become a rich man. Nothing wrong with selling or marketing and if I was in business, I would probably do my best as heck to sell anyway I can using any legal methods possible. But it is usually the intelligent consumers who mock at retared or outrageous claims and can logical discern truth from hype sometimes <wink>. In all honesty, people should not confuse the marketing hype with the product. In some cases, the product may be good but just over-hyped like the "Naked Warrior" book in my opinion.

I think I was the first to mention this book about three months ago here on this forum. Since then I personally have benefited from "Naked Warrior" greatly and I would highly recommend this book to anyone who is interested in learning the two effective power exercises. This book is 20 millions better than Matt Furey's combative fitness book "For REALZ" and both books are selling around the same price. When you compare the books, Pavel's book is hands down the better quality.

Before I studied Naked Warrior, I could perform pistols and single arm push ups. Likewise I thought I knew about dead lifting or benching before PTP. <wink> However, I did not do it properly and did not know it's advance variations. I also learned some on my own vital mistakes in my form and application. Currently I can say with much pride and joy I can properly perform pistols and single arm push ups and some of its variations.

Hearing wing chun stories of Sibak Duncan Leung, Yip Man, and Sibak Bruce Lee physical prowesses from my Sifu Alan Lee has motivated me to try my best to develop some of my own physical prowess. I want to be strong too... <wink> Ulitmately, my long term goal is do perform a barefoot pistol while holding a 100 DB for 5 reps and to do a vertical fist single arm explosive push ups with 80 Lb vest and there are other related goals. <wink> I want to be more powerful than most of the wing chun students in NYC area. I believe for me that focusing on these two movement will improve my wing chun techniques.

Ford Prefect
05-27-2004, 09:00 AM
There is a little icon for winking so you don't have to type <wink> all the time. ;)

Pavel may have started out respectable, but he's strayed very far from that.

FooFighter
05-27-2004, 09:14 AM
Ford:

I hate icons. I wish I could pic my own icon of myself winking. LOL. I too agree that Pavel is selling out. I guess dem years as a low paying communist has made him become a true capitalist pig like the rest of us. I guess we all want to rich in america. It is too bad there isnt a middle ground in making tons of money and holding to your old-school moral and intellectual principles. I am reminded of a quote, "I would rather be rich then attain nirvava," was said by an ex- client of mine when I taught her some yoga postures in 2001. I laughed because she was into all that hindu-yoga crap trend. I guess we all have to compromise some things in life? "Personally, I would like to be attain nirvana so I can be rich like the Dalai Lama and have movie actors/westerners worship me and pay me for meaningless cryptic sayings," was my answer to my ex-client's comment. She laughed and say that was a good answer as we performed reverse doggie. She had a cute butt for a white jewish girl.

Ford Prefect
05-27-2004, 09:42 AM
Do you ever have that dream where you see yourself in, sort of, Sun God robes, on a pyramid, with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

FooFighter
05-27-2004, 09:49 AM
Ford,

MMM... No. I dont really dont have anything sexual related
dreams anymore since my early teenage years. What does your dream example mean? Ford, I like women and thank God or whoever created them because my life would be dull without them. I am very sexual but I aint no mal pervert. <wink>

Serpent
05-27-2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by FooFighter
She laughed and say that was a good answer as we performed reverse doggie. She had a cute butt for a white jewish girl.
Wouldn't that be missionary? Or was she giving you one while you bent over?

fa_jing
05-27-2004, 07:27 PM
I don't get the adverts from Dragondoor, even though I have bought stuff before from them. There must be a glitch. Anyway, I have the link to the free stuff, if you want it, PM me. The guide to hanging leg raises is good. Some of the stuff is already available for free elsewhere. For instance Mike Mahler's guide to KB exercises is a compilation of his t-mag stuff. But it is pretty much stuff that would whet your appetite to go out and buy something.

FooFighter
05-27-2004, 07:28 PM
Serpent:

I dont understand your comments yet I do believe it was an insult? If I say something that caused you to be upset or hurt, then I am sorry. My past comments was not meant to cause insult to anyone.

My ex-client and I did the resverse dog together, which is part of the "Sun Salutation," and I turned my head to check out her form and noticed she had a nice bottom. There was no missionary and no one gave anything to anyone.

IronFist
05-27-2004, 11:02 PM
I thought "Egress" was a bird. That's an Egret.

Serpent
05-28-2004, 08:21 PM
FooFighter - You're joking, right? I know I was.

Ironfist - Yes. Yes it is.

FooFighter
05-29-2004, 07:23 AM
Serpent:

You were joking? Ok, I see. I hope you found it funny.