Idiots Making Fun Of Hsing Yi

[Apostol]

These idiots are going to die. The kid laughing like a tool in the backround is the idiot that wants to fight me. That punk making fun of me is this one fool who keeps harassing me.

But other than that, I'm posting this for the whole martial arts world to laugh @. What tools, they lose.

http://home.comcast.net/~apostol/fools2.wmv

Remember to save target as.

EDIT: Video updated to new and more disgraceful version. Also new server.

Oh yeah, the second kid that shows up is the one who wants to fight me.

[Apostol]

Yeah, I got a new server so it should be much faster.

I'm not sure if I should forgive these kids, I mean, I feel really insulted. Especially by my friend, who has a track history of being disrespecful to me.

I'm never going to fight that kid with his terrible mindset and attitude. A disrespectful, terrible kid. If I ever had a kid like that I think I'd send him to military school.

[Volcano Admim]

havnet seen the vid yet
but i tell you
people makin fun of cma is not that uncommon

[3rdrateIMAkilla]

Ahahahahahhaa! ROFLMAO. Good job on turning the tables, and showing the real idiots. VIDEO TAPE the fight! Beat his ass bad, or just choke him out. I would kill those guys so bad. We on this forum must train to be true xingyi experts, to beat both those guys.

[Apostol]

Yeah, they're retarded. They have like 10 months of TKD McDojo experience and they think they can kick my ass...ahahahah..

I want them to feel the pain...

[3rdrateIMAkilla]

If you didn't fight them, it wouldn't matter. But it would be interesting to hear about, or see.

[Apostol]

I'm never going to fight those losers. They're not my friends, and I'm sure as hell not going over to their houses to fight them, at my inconvenience.

[Toby]

Originally posted by 3rdrateIMAkilla
We on this forum must train to be true xingyi experts, to beat both those guys. Yeah, that's gunna be my inspiration from now on. :rolleyes: I dunno who to feel more sorry for, the 14yr olds on that vid or you who is too scared to fight them.

On an unrelated note, good to see Volcano back in business. I thought he died?

[3rdrateIMAkilla]

You're saying I'm scared to fight those idiots? I was kinda joking, I said I'd kill those pussies. But you never know thpugh, you could get hit from behind, and everyone knows grappling only beats one person.;)

[Toby]

I don't care whether you're scared or not. I'm familiar with your post history though, Backbreaker, so I do have some preconceived ideas about you. But in this case I meant Apostol. He said he'd never fight them - it'd be too inconvenient :rolleyes:.

Anyway, this is just kids playing around. Relax, Apostol. Who cares what they say or think? This is just a case of a bit of verbal bullying. When I was at school I had some friends who I'd fight with. They'd taunt me to get a reaction. I'd chase them and if I caught them, beat the **** out of them. My advantage was size. Their advantage was speed. We both used our strengths to our advantage. If you're fast, run in, tag them and get out. If you're strong, then just beat the snot out of them. But you are just kids so when I say "beat them", I mean just fight for fun. Don't take it so seriously. If they're rubbishing you, the best response would probably be to rubbish back. Find some funny material of TKD guys getting owned by CMA's or MMA's and tease them about that, etc. Laugh at the TKD point sparring at the upcoming Olympics. Use your brain, it's your best weapon.

Both you juveniles said you'd kill them. I wish I was as cool as you, wanting to kill a couple of 14yr olds because they're giving Apostol a bit of **** :rolleyes:.

[Apostol]

As an updated note, I found a "trusting" referee, and I'm going to fight Mike on thursday, if possible.

[3rdrateIMAkilla]

CHECK THIS GUY OUT! (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12655)

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by 3rdrateIMAkilla
You're saying I'm scared to fight those idiots? I was kinda joking, I said I'd kill those pussies. But you never know thpugh, you could get hit from behind, and everyone knows grappling only beats one person.;)

Nah, considering the amount of personalities you have, a grappler who defeats you would defeat about 5 or 6.

And just let it go man. You already said they are McDojo guys. Use your brain. If you fight them and beat them, they'll just make some excuse. Only the greatest and stupidest never change.

[3rdrateIMAkilla]

ROFLMAO. These guys are hilarious. :D :D :D

[Ford Prefect]

haha! Those guys had to been stoned.

So they made fun of Xing Yi? I guess you took the moral high road and was a man about it by whining about it on the internet. :rolleyes:

[NoSecrets]

If there in the Chicagoland area I would be glad to participate in this challange.

[Water Dragon]

lol @ this thread

[Apostol]

Originally posted by NoSecrets
If there in the Chicagoland area I would be glad to participate in this challange.

LOL, we are in the chicagoland area. But I won't tell you where, because God knows you could come and just beat everyone up and then leave, and I'd be in a lot of trouble, heh.

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by Water Dragon
lol @ this thread

Seconded.

[3rdrateIMAkilla]

Originally posted by Apostol
As an updated note, I found a "trusting" referee, and I'm going to fight Mike on thursday, if possible.

Nice. That's today, tell us how it went, if you can't get it taped. I'd suggest a winner gets the video type deal.

[Apostol]

****...after about 2 minutes I got KO'ed by a hook punch. When I attempted some centerline chain punching, he dodged it and he hooked punched me. I was too much on the offensive.

I did get him down when I grabbed his leg at one point, but I forgot to lock him in, and he grabbed me and got me in a hold until the referee pulled us off of eachother. But I did get one weak roundhouse kick in. He hit me with a sidekick to my leg and upper chest and a roundhouse to lower ribs.

The video is on a tape and he doesn't have the adapter to it so I can't transfer the video to my computer and post it here.

[NoSecrets]

Demand a rematch and I'll go in your place.

[Volcano Admim]

you havent trained grappling for 7 years

[Apostol]

Yes I have, maybe because I'm 15.

Now that I realize it, it wasn't a fair fight. He wasn't really wearing gloves, he was wearing just a wrap. So basically, it was almost bare knuckle, and I was wearing padded gloves (like the grappling gloves they wear in pride).

I still got owned though. But I'll be back for a rematch. ;-)

[Toby]

Props for fighting and not lying about the result. But I'd be kind of concerned about your skills. You've got 7yrs of ground work? Plus some striking? And he's got 10mths of TKD and took you out with a hook?

[Apostol]

Originally posted by Toby
Props for fighting and not lying about the result. But I'd be kind of concerned about your skills. You've got 7yrs of ground work? Plus some striking? And he's got 10mths of TKD and took you out with a hook?

LOL, I told you he didn't suck. I did take him to the ground after I caught his kick, but I fell in a bad position and I wasn't thinking clearly.

I SHOULD have gone for the double leg. But I was too concerned that he would clip me in the face on the way down. I could have faked a jab and then taken him down, but like I said, it's impossible to think.


I could have kept going after the hook punch since it only shook me up (quite a bit, but I recovered very shortly after), but my contact lense was half in my eye and half out (and my eye was a bit bloody, but most people keep going after that, heh)!

Also, I should have kicked more. My kicking skills aren't half bad (except for the roundhouse), and I should have used them against him.

[CD Lee]

I told you to practice, and tell him to get lost. Screw his speed and other s****. Take his center, own him. Do it agian, and this time forget Xingyi. I mean it. Just **tackle** him as soon as the thing starts. See what happens. No kidding. Try that and get back to us. Hey, it can't be worse than what already happened...

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by Apostol
Yes I have, maybe because I'm 15.

Now that I realize it, it wasn't a fair fight. He wasn't really wearing gloves, he was wearing just a wrap. So basically, it was almost bare knuckle, and I was wearing padded gloves (like the grappling gloves they wear in pride).

I still got owned though. But I'll be back for a rematch. ;-)

Wraps don't mean crap. It's proven that bare knuckle matches last longer than padded gloves. The reason? Force. If you continue to punch someone long enough with bare knuckles, your hands will break (along with his face). The smaller bones in the hands can't take the force.

With gloves, that problem is eliminated and you are capable of punching longer, and harder, without worry of bones breaking. Look at the older UFCs, before they had gloves, the matches didn't end as much in knock outs. Once gloves were introduced, matches ended in knockouts more.

So YOU were at the advantage wearing gloves. Odds are he just hit you in the right spot/area to fall. Some people have that "glass" part on the head, and if you hit that area, they are gone.

[CD Lee]

Alright. I just watched the vid. ROFLMAO!

You guys that is flat out funny. Those are just KIDS jacking around, being stupid, having some fun. Heck, they had me laughing with them. You can't take that crap seriously, they are just busting your b@lls. BTW, if your Xingyi looks like that, you better quit! :D :D :D

I HATE to be a geek and analyze them, but you JUST GOTTA note how the kid in the red shirt tyring to immitate what he has seen, is just moving his arms, and never his body with the arms. I guess all new students did that once right? Hehe...

[Apostol]

Originally posted by CD Lee

BTW, if your Xingyi looks like that, you better quit! :D :D :D


Lol, not by far.


...and dude, bare knuckle hurts FAR more than padded gloves. He WAS wearing a wrist wrap type of thing, but it had no padding whatsoever, it was just like a cloth glove.

...and I, was wearing gloves with a lot of padding. You know the official MMA gloves? Those are what I had.

[CD Lee]

So come on Apostol...give up some more details about what you did since you came clean with the deal. Were you able to use anythying that you have learned in class during your match? Even if you managed one principle, that would be good. Two minutes before the KO? A LOT of time, so what was going on? Talk about your distance control, his, etc. Do I have to send Teddy Atlas over there to watch the next one so I know technically what happened? :D Just kidding.

[Apostol]

Yeah, I was dumb. I also wasn't taking it very seriously, as I was experimenting. I was trying my best not to kick (which was dumb).

I hardly used hsing yi. I did use the splitting fist lower block (when you have your hands at your waist) to block some roundhouse kicks.


...I'm going to have a rematch as soon as I learn all the elemental fists and at least one animal form.

[PaiLumDreamer]

Lol, good luck! This thread was an interesting read. Im surprised you posted that you lost :P lotsa people wouldnt have done that.

[bamboo_ leaf]

(I'm going to have a rematch as soon as I learn all the elemental fists and at least one animal form.)


he didn't lose, he learned something in a very honest way ;)

[omarthefish]

Apostol,

If you really want to do this again in the future aiming to learn all the elements and at least one animal form is NOT the quickest way to fighting well.

You started with pi quan. Right?

What you should be doing is an hour of pi quan a day. You can do extremely well using just pi quan. If you do it enough you will start to see 2 things.

1. How with only slight modification it can be used to defend against all sorts of attacks.

2. How you can make a simple pi quan really incredible difficult to block.

Eventually you want to get all 5 fists but you'll get the hang of it much quicker and develop better gong fu if you just really focus on the first one for a while. It's a really flexable "technique".

[htowndragon]

i train gong bao tian bagua, and although i do know some forms, my primary training is the single palm change which i practice religiously. my point being, pick one element and train the **** out of it, then u will win. trust me, one good element is so much better than 5 half assed elements and a dead animal.

ever heard about "ban bu beng chuan" guo yun shen?

[Apostol]

http://evergreentkd.tk/

Here are their opinions. Different stories.

[PaiLumDreamer]

That link doesnt work for me.

[QuaiJohnCain]

Apostol- Check your PM's

[Apostol]

www.freewebs.com/teamevergreen

Try that.


John Cain, thank you for your support, I replied.

[PaiLumDreamer]

It doesnt seem like you guys hate each other, though. They didnt really put you down in their version. They even talked about what both you guys did good/bad. Are you people friends? Or...do you actually hate each other?

[Apostol]

Wow, now they are:

alex: you know what i'm talking about
kim: u will never own mike
kim: if u at 20
kim: could go back in time
kim: and be 20
kim: u still couldnt
alex: wow
alex: that's a bold statement

alex: all you do is yap all day
kim: id put $ on it too
alex: about bull****
alex: that's a mistake


The dumbest thing I've ever heard in my freaking LIFE.

[cerebus]

Well, you've hardly given them any reason to think otherwise. Trying to uphold your art's rep is great and all that, but until you're good enough at the art, all you'll do is show these guys that it DOESN'T work afterall. This is more about your bruised ego than anything. Fight the guy if you want, but leave Hsing-I out of it until you actually KNOW enough of it to say so (and please forgive me, but you really DON'T know anything yet).

After one or two years of concentration on the 5 elemental fists (which is all the technique you really need), san ti, and sparring with Hsing-I on a regular basis, THEN you should be ready to try it again, probably not any sooner.

[PHILBERT]

cerebus is right. Taking a month of a martial art, then going out and claiming it as the art for a fight is stupid. It's like me taking a month of Judo, going into a BJJ school and saying "I use to do Judo" and see how fast you get tapped. When I first started Wing Tsun, I wanted to compete at the the first Taiji Legacy, but I knew that with my limited (4 months) experience, I'd get torn apart. 2 and a half years later I still haven't competed in it, nor am I ready to. Take time to learn some of your art, other than a stance, a few steps, a kick or 2 and a punch or 2 and run out and fight a guy who spars every time he goes to class.

[Apostol]

I didn't use any hsing yi.

[cerebus]

Maybe not, but in the eyes of the person you fought, you were "representing" Hsing-I. Now Hsing-I is a great art and it CAN be used to defeat a trained martial artist but I'd say at least a year of solid elements is necessary first.

[PHILBERT]

cerebus is the correct. Even if you didn't use the Hsing-I, they think you did. If I went out and said "I do Wing Chun" and sparred a Karate guy, win or lose, he'll think I did Wing Chun. If I claim MT or BJJ, win or loose, he'll boast about beating an MMA guy.

[Apostol]

I told them myself I couldn't use any hsing yi. However, now they're bragging that they beat someone who does Ju-Jitsu. Except I told them I'd primarily strike.

[Apostol]

HAHAHAHAHA.

Ok, Bruce Kim just said that Mike could own me in a judo rules competition. This is just ridiculous. Then he tells me to train one of my friends to fight him, or something along those lines.

Tools.

[XVampireX]

Apostol, i suggest you dont underestimate your opponents, really... You failed first time, take it as a lesson and not as a threat or anything else.

Im new here, but im NOT so new in martial arts, and from what i've seen in your movies, you should work out some of your hits, cause it was like, completely non martial art like :-/

Take 1 year, train SERIOUSLY! and then go get them baastards who humiliated the best art of all - Xing Yi!

Ok? Good bye :)

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by PHILBERT
I wanted to compete at the the first Taiji Legacy, but I knew that with my limited (4 months) experience, I'd get torn apart. 2 and a half years later I still haven't competed in it, nor am I ready to. Take time to learn some of your art, other than a stance, a few steps, a kick or 2 and a punch or 2 and run out and fight a guy who spars every time he goes to class. They have divisions, you know....Beginner (0-2 years) Intermediate (2-4 years) and Advanced (4+ years). You wouldn't be coming out of the gate against anyone with that much more experience.

[PHILBERT]

Yeah, I know that MK, but I was also wanting to go out and fight someone with experience, not 6 months of Hung Gar and don't have the slightest idea what to do.

[keemster3]

The fight between Mike and Alex is now on video you can view it on the homepage of this site.

www.freewebs.com/teamevergreen

[CD Lee]

Ok Alex not bad. It takes a man to let others film him like that in a fight. Ok, so lets get it started...some easy fixes Xingyi brother.

1. At the very beginning, before blows or kicks start landing, you were crossing your right leg behind your left. You eventually stopped this, but that leaves you with a very weak stance if Mike was paying attention. As soon as you cross, he SHOULD have rushed you. No problem, he didn't do it, but now he'll read this and be watching you next time... :D

2. Get your hands up guy! Don't offer them out, but get them up. Here's why. Number one reason, is if your hands are already up, you dont' require more TIME to get them up to block or strike. If they are down, he can see them as you start to move them, once again, giving him more TIME.

3. When you grabbed his leg initially at the start, good job! Now for the Xingyi part. Hindsight is 20/20, but you had his leg, you could have done a ban bou/bamboo step straight into his center at that point while rising with your arms (opening of Pi). He would have been airborne. But, I doubt you have this step down yet, or the root/sinking to make it work well. No problem. But even a plain old step into his body with a slight push, would have taken him down very hard. Try it with a training partner...easy move once you have the leg.

4. Mike seems agile enough. The time to attack him is when he is kicking or attacking. The reason he got you, was because you initiated the movement, and he had a gap to work with. Your last sequence just before the knockout was your best stuff. If you had done that same series of forward attacks at the start when Mike was kicking, I think you would have fared much better.

5. You wanna crush this guy? Agree to removing the body pads, and practice beng quan for six months. Not good for Mike. Ouch.

After you deliver a beng, follow with Pi, or enter with Pi, split down on him, and deliver beng, etc, etc. Either way, you'll like the results.

Good job. I am not so brave to put my fights on the internet. You know you will become famous as you improve right? An internet hero.

[keemster3]

"You eventually stopped this, but that leaves you with a very weak stance if Mike was paying attention. As soon as you cross, he SHOULD have rushed you. No problem, he didn't do it, but now he'll read this and be watching you next time..."

The reason he didn't rush many of those times is because they were both just experimenting and testing things out. Mike had many opportunities to rush like when he knocked the wind out of him etc. But this match wasn't an angry brawl. But you gave very good feedback. The choice to wear pads was offered by Mike and Alex accepted but there won't be a rematch since Alex and I got in trouble for hosting the fight/being in it.

[Apostol]

Nice post, anyway some things:

1. Yeah, I know I'm not supposed to cross my legs, but I did it on accident, I suppose.

2. I usually had my hands up when I got close to him. I should have been more alive, I was not taking it that seriously, and I was a bit tired.

3. Nope, haven't learned this yet.

4. Yeah, that chain punching I started doing worked (he went back about 10 feet) except he broke my guard and got a hook in.

But, whatever.

[CD Lee]

Hey Keemster, what do you mean you got in trouble? This might be as interesting as the match...I have a 15 yr. old... :D

And no, I wouldn't let them host a match where my insurance could take a homeowners hit, or a civil suit could reach my backpockets. Which is exactly what would have happened if say Alex fell wrong and hit his head on the curb.

Oh, here is something terrible that happened to a guy I worked with recently, just to think about safety. This guy was out playing basketball with his teenage kids, and he fell and hit his head on the pavement. Bad right? The hit was bad evidently, and he went into a coma. One week later, I hate to say he died and his funeral was today. I just realized, you guys were almost out to the street. Maybe not such a good idea.

[keemster3]

You have a good point, but when it comes near concrete we always stop when sparring outside. But anything can happen.

[Palmer]

Apostle,

Omar the Fish(I believe was his name) had very good advice about standing in the Sant-ti. How much time do you practice the standing postures? I do not know your exerience or type of training in Hsing-i but I would recommend starting to stand in the San-ti posture everyday and taking a couple of the element hands and going to a field and walking each for at least 30 minutes. You have to make them a part of you so they will come out regardless of whether you think about it or not. Hsing-i has a very unique mindset/philosophy and it does not work as well playing the 'other' art's game (exchanging hands in front of each other you do this I react this way type of situation) as dictating its own course of action. Do you have a Hsing-i instructor? ( I only ask this because there are many that do not and try to interpret it on there own.) Seriously I wouldnt plan on a rematch for awhile focus on your personal development first thats whats most important.

[CD Lee]

Palmer you have good advice here.

I gotta say, what I thought Xingyi was, and was it really is, were VERY different at first. And this is exactly why a good teacher is needed.

If your alignments are off, then nothing really works right. No power will be there. The standing takes a while. It just takes time to build strength in the stances until you can really start to relax, and work on feeling things. If the standing san ti is not 100% comfortable and stable, then how is one to take a step and end it in a good position?

Once the stance is strong, stable, balanced, and aligned, then the movements Buddy described a while back in his great threads begin to show one how to MOVE in an internal fashion, and a powerful fashion I might add. The arms can be added or...as in my case, the stepping was added first, before the arms. And when this is beginning to work, the INTENTION will be added. This will add a dimension that is awesome, but once again, requires retraining the mind and body.

It took months to learn how to step correctly. Sounds pretty corny huh? I was frustrated with this, but in my case, I had trust in the instructors and I am pretty stubborn as well. Until I could actually do what they did, then I would try it, and then pass judgement. When they stepped, it looked so darned simple, I mean simple, but then when I did it, why did my body not move they way theirs did? More work...

What I am saying is after a year, only then did I realize how much power and foundation you can have with ONE single step of your body. One heck of a foundation to put the elements on top of. After a year, we started Pi Chuan. Slow yes, effective, YES.

It is not all this slow, but at FIRST it can be. What good are a pair of track spikes to a 6 month old infant? Not to call anyone an infant per se, but internals have a longer foundation and learning curve to work through. Not that they are even better or anything, but if one wants to do them the way they are designed, then you gotta go through the work.

Rant over.

[bigdoing]

well, many members have all ready given you the golden rule to being sucsessfull in using your chosen art in a sparring enviroment....lots of practice, over and over again drilling the fundamentals......in just common sense.

It took me 3years of practicing every day to even feel confident to spar....and that was because 2 of my kung fu brothers joined our school after practicing for years in a previous style and brought that attitude to the floor.

if you do spar again against this tkd buddy of yours here are some donts...

..dont.....

....stay at the distance you where. You are letting him have his game plan how he want to run it....kicking.....and then kicking you again...and again.

fire off combinations, not just one two punch....my sifu says........yut yee sam say ng lok chat bat..go go go go go....

dont spend so much time backing out once your in.

I dont study hsing i but from the material ive read and looked over its a very combat effective art.........I can see from some of the fist techniques in these things that you hit in succesion and plow through your opponent, ( i like the torque action on some of the graps ive seen...

sun lu tang said secret is pratice.


any way just my two cents..
peace.

[blkbelt65]

how in the world is this dum-A$$ post still going on???

[PHILBERT]

My thoughts exactly.