Baat Jam Do

[brody]

Does anyone know where I can purchase a pair of Baat Jam Do's that are similar in size and shape as the Leung Ting version?

http://www.superiormartialarts.com/images8/80281.jpg

One of my training partners has a pair of the Leung Ting knives, but I'm not totally sold on the thin blades because they bend easily. However, the length of the blades; 11" (overall length 16.5") is a perfect fit for me.

[stuartm]

Taosport used to do them in the UK, you could try them. Have you emailed the LT gang directly?

Stu

[lawrenceofidaho]

Not sure if there's something out there fitting your description of an ideal sword, but here's a few links I came across when shopping for a new pair this past winter that might be helpful;

http://www.wle.com/store/w_double.html

http://www.martialartsupply.com/

http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Browse.asp?Search=butterfly

http://www.martialartssupermarket.com/index.cfm?action=showProd&subid=388

-and don't forget to keep an eye out on e-bay.......

Best of luck.
-Lawrence

[Vajramusti]

Check out the Wing Lam Enterprises website - Bay area- they ship efficiently- they have several different grades of bjd-s.

joy chaudhuri

[YongChun]

Another way is to go to a metal shop with a traced pattern and make it out of 1/4 inch steel such that each knife is about 1.5 pounds. If the knife is used as a conditioning device as it often is, then you don't need high quality steel or the process the Japanese go through to make their swords (thousands of layers from folding). Also you don't need to sharpen the edges. Then you need one more piece to form the guard and then use some wood and tape for the handles. It might be very cheap to make this way as opposed to spending $200 for a good set. Of course it's nice to own a very good set too. With a heavier set of knives you have to be careful not to injure your wrists.

[Ernie]

Send me any recommendations gentleman I have been postponing my ‘’ official ‘’ training for a few years now; you know how I feel about forms. But I figured I would step and get it over with =)
Might as well get it from my teacher while he is still around and young enough to go toe to toe on the training =)

So I have to pick up some training blades, any advice will be welcomed, I honestly never really gave the knives much thought so pass on your knowledge please =)

I don’t need anything special, I’m not a collector of wing Chun stuff; just need some thing solid and affordable.

[Fu-Pow]

You mean

Baau Jaang Do?

Wrap Elbow Knives

[timchun]

You should definately look into getting your own made. The class I'm in got together and got the blades laser cut out of stainless and then got stainless rod bent and welded for the guards. It turned out to be a very cheap way to get knives that were made to the specifications we wanted, also you know when they're made they'll stand up to the rigours of training and fighting. I know it was mentioned previously but I thought another post may persuade you to look inot it ;)

[AmanuJRY]

Originally posted by Ernie
I don’t need anything special, I’m not a collector of wing Chun stuff; just need some thing solid and affordable.

Ernie,

The ones Lawrence bought are pretty good and fairly priced. (he loans me the s***ty ones cause I drop them. :D )

[Ernie]

cool send me a link :D

[AmanuJRY]

Originally posted by Ernie
cool send me a link :D


Try the ones in Lawrence's post above.;)

[brody]

I went to one of the links that lawrence suggested and found these knives.

http://www.martialartssupermarket.com/index.cfm?action=moreinfo&itemid=5881

Does anyone own this pair? The distance from the top of the blade and the hook seems kinda small. I wonder if a thumb would fit in there so you can twirl the knife?

[YongChun]

The knives inthe picture don't look like they would make flipping the knife comfortable. Some Wing Chun lineages flip the knives and others are dead set against it. Hung style and Choy Lee Fut style flip the knives.

[1renox]

Originally posted by brody
I went to one of the links that lawrence suggested and found these knives.

http://www.martialartssupermarket.com/index.cfm?action=moreinfo&itemid=5881

Does anyone own this pair? The distance from the top of the blade and the hook seems kinda small. I wonder if a thumb would fit in there so you can twirl the knife?

I bought a pair of those 2 years ago. Your are right about the hook--too small. However, they are very light blades ( if that's what a person prefers) and the steel is good for a mass produced blade. It will slice a persons thumb really good if they aren't careful--err maybe shouldn't have said that.

[Phil Redmond]

Originally posted by Fu-Pow
You mean

Baau Jaang Do?

Wrap Elbow Knives

Baat (8) Jaam (Chop) Do (knive/s)

[brody]

Vajramusti,

I noticed on your website http://www.tempewingchun.com/content.html a picture of a pair of Baat Jam Do's that are similar in size and shape to that of Leung Ting's version. Is that any information you can give me on that specific pair?

[Vajramusti]

They are ok for demos, forms and working out- but I wouldnt go to war with them. If memory serves I got them via Wing Lam Enterprises. They have different grades.

I have other bjd-s too-- broader koo sang made ones, flimsy PRC ones, good wooden ones(Little Raven Studios), the late Brendan Lai's imported "combat steel " one and others.

I use them for wing chun forms - and it helps the hands, body coordination and also makes other weapons and sticks fly.

But in case of war I would be a kukhri man myself .

My sigung Ho Kam Ming has a great practice pair that is a very strong do and can take stress without breaking- but it was privately forged in Macao.

Years ago when I began, I made the mistake of buying double knives that were more appropriate for hung gar motions rather than some of the more subtle wing chun motions. Those bad knives were sold in knife shops and in Hong Kong as well. I had to grind and change the handles.

Many southern styles have double knives- but the "bot jam do"
naming is uniquely Ip Man-though folks use the term without knowing that marker. There is a well known picture of Ip man
doing gaan do with the bjd-s.

[Fu-Pow]

Originally posted by Phil Redmond
Baat (8) Jaam (Chop) Do (knive/s)

Sorry my bad.....

Butterfly knives are also know as Baau Jaang Do ie "Wrap the Elbows Knife"

[YongChun]

http://www.wayofthedragon.cmasdirect.com/albumImageView/view/ShaolinWeapons.pml?photoId=7658