Fake XingYi.

[Apostol]

I've seen some XingYi that looks pretty horrid.

I saw one sifu's site, his forms looked entirely external, with the strike going after the step and everything.


I mean isn't that incorrect? Or is it just another family?

[Felipe Bido]

Post the site and we'll see

[Apostol]

http://www.mew-hing.com/demonstration.html

Note, if you go to this school please don't be offended, I just find it questionable. It could just be an entirely different family. I study the Hebei Hsing Yi system.

...actually, after reviewing these videos I'm not sure they're the ones. I'll keep looking.

[Joseph_alb]

I like his Pao Quan. The man's gotta be tougher than a coffin nail to expose his balls like that.


...actually, after reviewing these videos I'm not sure they're the ones. I'll keep looking.

What did you think if his xingyi?

[Felipe Bido]

Why does he say "Pi KWAN", and San Ti 'SHE'?..that's the way it's written in the books, but pinyin doesn't sound as it's written.

I think he posts here.

[Dale Dugas]

The man in question is one Ian Prescott.

He "teaches" Hsing-yi and Wing Chun and other things in Pennslyvania.

I have showed his little vids to other people who have a better background in Hsing yi and they laughed when they saw him perform.

One friend commented that he must have learned from videos and books as he has no concept of how to generate true power via whole body power.

I agree with the earlier comment of his exposing his groin...maybe he likes that??? LOL...

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

[LeoV]

Sorry, not impressed. I wouldn't call it "fake Hsing-I", just Hsing-I not done well, imo.

Didn't see much power being generated by the body.

Felipe - I'm surprised you could even hear the names! All the chinese music was drowning out what he was saying. :)

[Felipe Bido]

Originally posted by LeoV
Felipe - I'm surprised you could even hear the names! All the chinese music was drowning out what he was saying. :)

Maybe that was his intention all along...;)

Hehehe...kidding

-Actually, Buddy noted the Pi KWAN thing the first time these videos were posted.

Well, he says:

San Tishi: San Ti SHE
Pi Quan: Pi Kwan
Zuan Quan: Suan Kwan
Beng Quan: Pung Kwan
Heng Quan: Hung Kwan

Obviously, he has read the terms but he hasn't actually heard them.

As far as his Xingyi goes...sorry, I don't see any Xingyi Shenfa (Body method) there.

[CD Lee]

In his Pao, his shoulders stay square to the target. Not sure why anyone would do that on purpose. I guess his only power is coming from the step.

However did everbody see the warning just before the videos in the web page?



These clips are used to give you a general idea of what to
expect in training. I advise everyone to NOT use these clips to learn
from, as one or two points have been changed in them to prevent
proper ging flow when practicing. This is done to protect the
system and the school.


Hmmm....maybe.

Apostol. I would not call this guy 'horrible'. I have seen worse.
So Apostol - post some good Xingyi you have seen, If you have seen any.

[LeoV]

Well then I agree the secrets of Hsing-I will be kept hidden... :D

[Felipe Bido]

Hehehe---:D

[Buddy]

Ian and I PMed and he's a nice guy. He wanted to learn more about Xingyi. I think I'd probably remove the vid, were it me.

[Apostol]

Heh, interesting. I'll do a video of me doing the fists as soon as I get my camera working.

[CD Lee]

You really gonna post yourself doing the fists? Not a bad idea. I'll bet you'll get plenty of good feedback. One thing a quick video can do, is show some obvious flaws or variances in technique that you can't see or someone else may have overlooked.

We had a guy in our class that when we got to looking, he had a little 'hitch' in his shoulder where he lifted it off his structure slightly during one movement. Very slight, but he was completely unaware he was doing it.

And of course, in my case, there are so many things to fix, it will take a long time to fix. A video would only scare newcomers away from this art if they saw me. :D

[Apostol]

Haha...beware, my pounding fist is terrible.

[Apostol]

Hey guys, I found more clips!

http://www.whitecraneinstitute.com/artsofcombat/xingyi.htm

I just googled for xingyi out of the blue, and I found this. I've never seen it before. Needless to say, it doesn't look very good, at least the Pi Chuan I've seen so far.

**Ok, well some of the clips don't look half bad. The drilling fist is similar to how we do it, but it still looks external.

[Apostol]

Heh, this is more of a joke than a demonstration, but here:

http://home.comcast.net/~apostol/fists.avi

1. Splitting
2. Drilling
3. Smashing (crushing)
4. Pounding

They all pretty much suck. Splitting is my best one.

[Joseph_alb]

Video help ALLOT, even for personal viewing. My gfriend shot a clip of me doing Piquan once, and instantly i saw details in my movement i wasnt aware of.

[Apostol]

I think one of these days I'll dedicate a day to a certain movement so I can get it down.

[Felipe Bido]

Originally posted by Apostol
I think one of these days I'll dedicate a day to a certain movement so I can get it down.


Make it a week or more

[Apostol]

Originally posted by Felipe Bido
Make it a week or more

Yeah, the other movements are a lot harder than splitting, so they'll be harder to learn.

So, what'd you guys think of my video? Heh...

[cerebus]

Looks like you're getting the movements down. Do you do much San Ti standing (in as low, but correct, a San Ti as possible) to develop root & solid body connection? That's one of the better things you can do.

Also, try practicing each fist step-by-step, without the following step, holding each position for 30 to 60 seconds. That will help to build your structure. Keep up the training! :D

[Hau Tien]

Originally posted by Apostol
Hey guys, I found more clips!

http://www.whitecraneinstitute.com/artsofcombat/xingyi.htm

I just googled for xingyi out of the blue, and I found this. I've never seen it before. Needless to say, it doesn't look very good, at least the Pi Chuan I've seen so far.

**Ok, well some of the clips don't look half bad. The drilling fist is similar to how we do it, but it still looks external.

*snicker* I kinda like "Bong Chuan", myself ;)

[Hau Tien]

Originally posted by Apostol
So, what'd you guys think of my video? Heh...

I'm by no means an expert, so I can't comment on your technique. Have you worked on actually striking anything (heavy bag, punch shield held by partner, etc) with the movements? I think this would help you a lot in learning how to perform the movements in a manner that will generate greater power.

Also, I noticed (most notably) in your crushing fist (but in the others as well) a lack of power in the movement caused mainly by the lack of movement in your waist/hips. I think if you loosened up that area it would help a lot. The hips and waist connect the upper and lower body and correct usage will help you bring the power from the movement of your feet up to your hands. (if that made any sense ;) )

It takes a lot of courage to put a clip of yourself online for all to see. I applaud your bravery! Good job!

[Apostol]

Yes, I've used the heavy bag and trees outside and various things. The thing that has helped the most is the standing stake training fajing drills we do in class. They help you get the correct structure.

But yeah...my fists aren't that good. I've seen a lot of Pi Chuan clips online and they never slide the foot back like we do. Why is this? Is that what they do in Shanxi? The application to that movement is grabbing someones arm and jerking them towards you using your hips.

[CD Lee]

Apostol - For some reason, your avi file downloads, but I have no video? I tried it several times. I am using Microsoft Media Player to play it, but I am getting nothing.

So, I don't see any areas you need to improve at this point. hehe

Any help here?

[Hau Tien]

Originally posted by Apostol
But yeah...my fists aren't that good. I've seen a lot of Pi Chuan clips online and they never slide the foot back like we do. Why is this? Is that what they do in Shanxi? The application to that movement is grabbing someones arm and jerking them towards you using your hips.

I think it has to do with the "branch" of xingyi that you learn. We also do the drawing back movement, as you describe, where I train.

[Hau Tien]

Originally posted by CD Lee
Apostol - For some reason, your avi file downloads, but I have no video? I tried it several times. I am using Microsoft Media Player to play it, but I am getting nothing.

So, I don't see any areas you need to improve at this point. hehe

Any help here?

It's a codec problem. You need the DivX 5.0 codec installed to see it.

Go to www.divx.com to download the free codec. You should see the video then, too.

[Felipe Bido]

Also, the wave you do with your Zuan before the Zuan Punch, is something I haven't seen around too much. But all the times I've seen it, it looks like a Heng Quan with palm fist down, to hit the temple, before doing the Zuan.

FWIW

[Hau Tien]

Originally posted by Felipe Bido
Also, the wave you do with your Zuan before the Zuan Punch, is something I haven't seen around too much. But all the times I've seen it, it looks like a Heng Quan with palm fist down, to hit the temple, before doing the Zuan.

FWIW

I hadn't seen that before, either... but then, I've not seen much of xingyi outside of what I've been taught in person.

[Apostol]

Yeah, that's how we do that in drilling fist. The application is hooking someones arm and opening their guard.

[CD Lee]

Hau Tien - Thanks! That fixed it no problem.

Apostol - Brave soul you are. Hey a few thoughts here. First, thanks for showing us your fists.

A little feedback on your footwork. You may do this intentionally, but be 'aware' that your feet after the recovery step finish in an exact straight line, even almost crossing. Your back foot recovers behind or even slightly inside your front foot. This leaves you very unstable with any side pressure. You may want to integrate a little more space in your stance between the legs.

On wood more than the others, I don't really see a lot of turning of the waist to move your arms into the strike. You do better on this with Pi, but just be aware of your body when doing wood.

On the whip and Pao, it seems that your elbows are are maybe a little far outside or rather, lifted up. It think you could sink them down some.

[Apostol]

Yeah my Beng has improved since the video, I'll do a new video soon.

[DoGcHoW108]

If anything, i think you might be going a bit too fast (unless you're just doing it for demo's sake). I've been doing XY for months but i'm still doing most of the stuff slowly just to pay attention to detail.

[looking_up]

First of all, big ups for putting your video up. Don't take what I have to say next as a diss, but please don't talk **** about Serge Augier, it makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about. And after seeing your clip...

[The Willow Sword]

he was too rigid and not flowing enough,,,he over extended himself,,,was going through just the motions with out any real intent in the moves. i certainly would not go to his kwoon for instruction. hehe he also, if you noticed any,,that he had to think a moment before he could quickly explain "beng chuan" hahaha. shows how much he really knows dont you think?

[DoGcHoW108]

Not necessarily...i think its actually a very complicated form- and that's just one aspect of it.

[Buddy]

He He BB

[Wai_ki_Shu]

this guy critiques others??? sad, very sad.

[GeneChing]

In the wake of Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu, more similar challenges are happening and Kung Fu is not doing well. I've culled a few above from that Xu thread for a new thread: MMA Challenges to Kung Fu (http://http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71327-MMA-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu) and posted this to Fake XingYi (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?32056-Fake-XingYi)


Kung fu ‘master’ gouges Chinese kick-boxer’s eye in cheap shot after embarrassing beat down (https://www.scmp.com/sport/mixed-martial-arts/article/3013548/kung-fu-master-gouges-chinese-kick-boxers-eye-cheap-shot)
Glory Kick-boxing fighter Zhang Wensheng goes to shake Wu Liang’s hand after knocking him down three times in a matter of seconds
But social media users call Xingyi practitioner a ‘disgrace’ and a ‘coward’ for his sucker punch after the fight had ended
Nicolas Atkin
Published: 2:00pm, 7 Jun, 2019

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2019/06/07/4be19af4-88e3-11e9-a9bc-e8ed9093c066_image_hires_141904.jpg?itok=Ueb__7ZB&v=1559888350
The kung fu ‘master’ gouges Zhang Wensheng’s eye when they go to shake hands. Photos: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

We’ve seen some of the traditional martial artists making excuses for their embarrassing defeats by Chinese MMA fighters. But a kung fu “master” has taken being a sore loser to new heights.
Xingyi practitioner Wu Liang challenged MMA fighter Zhang Wensheng (46-6, 10 knockouts), who fights for Glory Kick-boxing – to a match-up at a gym in Shenzhen last month, footage of which has gone viral on Chinese social media.
As you might have expected, Zhang knocked Wu down within seconds of the fight starting, landing a few punches before dropping him with a head kick. Wu came back for more and got dropped again with a right hand, then an uppercut sent him flying off his feet a third time.
Wu sportingly went to shake Zhang’s hand, but in a move like something out of WWE, he sucker “punches” his opponent with an eye poke.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riwPiowBlH0

Another fighter, who acted as the referee for the fight, goes to push Wu out of the way – more for his own protection, as Zhang was pretty angry, as you might expect.
In the end, Zhang decided not to bother further embarrassing Wu, and walked away.

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/06/07/814679f6-88e5-11e9-a9bc-e8ed9093c066_1320x770_141904.jpg
Zhang Wensheng drops Wu Liang with an uppercut.

Zhang later posted pictures on social media showing the effects of the cowardly move, with his left eyelid swollen and a cut on the bridge of his nose.
And fans on social media were left outraged by Wu’s actions.
“Apparently ‘Chi’ is just short for ‘cheap shot’,” commented one user on YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns, which posted the video.

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/06/07/6bc41cf0-88e5-11e9-a9bc-e8ed9093c066_972x_141904.jpg
Wu Liang poses in his traditional martial arts clothing.

“What a disgrace,” wrote another user. “He can’t land a single punch during the fight because he doesn’t know how. So he sucker-punches the guy during the handshake. What a low-life coward.”
“These traditional martial arts guys have zero honour or logic (especially now they are being exposed),” another user said. “Eye poke after the fight is over? I’ve always been disgusted with the arrogance of TMA, even when I was practising it.
“Anyone who calls themselves a ‘master’ is just stroking their ego.”

[DoGcHoW108]

this has been long overdue ; martial arts far too often develops in a reality vacuum , more than anything with regards to the claims people sometimes make about the subject matter

[GeneChing]

Some dudes just never learn. :o


Kung fu ‘master’ gets comeuppance from taekwondo fighter after sucker eye-poking Chinese kick-boxer (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/kung-fu/article/3032333/kung-fu-master-gets-comeuppance-taekwondo-fighter-after)
Xingyi practitioner Wu Liang is smashed with kicks in one-sided bout
He notoriously raked Zhang Wensheng’s eyes when going to shake hands after being obliterated by the Glory kick-boxer
Nick Atkin
Published: 3:04pm, 10 Oct, 2019

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2019/10/10/e358c888-eb23-11e9-9e8e-4022fb9638c4_image_hires_181848.jpg?itok=8x6UjHLC&v=1570702733
A taekwondo practitioner kicks kung fu master Wu Liang. Photo: YouTube/Fight Commentary Breakdowns

Remember the kung fu “master” who sucker eye-poked a Chinese kick-boxer a little while ago? Well, he’s back, and he received a delicious dose of comeuppance.
Xingyi practitioner Wu Liang was soundly beaten by Glory fighter Zhang Wensheng after challenging him at his gym earlier this year, getting planted on his backside a few times before the referee mercifully stepped in.
When they went to shake hands, Wu raked Zhang’s eyes and was luckily protected from receiving further punishment with others stepping in to stop the MMA fighter punching him.
He probably should have stopped there, but it turns out Wu had another fight, this time against a taekwondo fighter at an event in June (which also featured a fake “pressure point master” getting a clearly staged win against a supposed Sanda fighter).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWpstjSMxaU

In a one-sided affair, Wu shows he has no idea how to check kicks, eating a few to his legs before the taekwondo fighter goes up high.
It doesn’t last long, with Wu crumpling down to the canvas in the corner. The referee checks to see if he is fit to continue, but quickly waives it off.
Hilariously, Wu had even tried a few eye-pokes on his opponent.
“TKD [taekwondo] guy was lucky that chi-blasts are banned in that fight,” one commenter replied on the video, which was posted by YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns.
“Kung fu guy did special death touch. TKD guy will die in 40 years after paying lots of taxes,” said another.

THREADS
MMA Challenges to Kung Fu (http://http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?71327-MMA-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
Fake XingYi (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?32056-Fake-XingYi)
Tae Kwon Do (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?42906-Tae-Kwon-Do)