The "Biu Sao Hop".......applications?

[JiuKaiMan]

What do you Wing Chunners think about the "Biu Sao Hop"??
I know it is considered a good move for closing distance and entering in on an opponent....but it seems very, very dangerous.
I don't trust any move that completely removes me from contact with the ground and takes away my center. It seems like a competent grappler would make mince-meat of anyone attempting this move.

As a counter to a front or side kick it seems pretty effective, though.

Give me some opinions.

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[TjD]

i see it like this
(im no sifu though)

your going to have to step sometime to get to hit your opponent :) if you going to hit someone while your moving, it only makes sense in terms of force that if your whole body is moving, its gonna do a lot more damage than if just your fist/arm is... so you step in with the hop and SLAM them with the full force of your whole body, along with your punch

it does a lot more damage :)

peace
trav

Receive what comes, Escort what leaves, and if there is an opening, rush in

[JiuKaiMan]

Does no one want to talk technique on this forum?

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[Sihing73]

Hello,
Perhaps some people are unfamiliar with this technique and simply do not wish to make the wrong observation based on assumptions.

Perhaps, you might want to try giving a description of the "technique" you want to discuss as well as how and when you would use it. Then, based on your description more people may be able to add to the discussion.

Just a thought,

Dave

Remember, there are many different lineages represented on this board. I may call something a Tok Sau and someone else might call it a Tor Say or Pie Pee :) rather then simply use the name or term you are familiar with use a description to allow the rest of us to better understand where you are coming from.

BTW: Sau usually referes to a hand movement and from what you are alluding to I take it this is a stepping movement. If so Bo or Ma might be more accurate. For example if you say HUEN SAU I would understand that to me some type of circling movement with the wrist. If you said HUEN BO I would take that to be some type of circle step. For a stepping movement are you sure it is not Bic Bo or some such. I don't know just asking so I can understand better :) When I think of Biu Sau or Biu Tze Sau I don't think of stepping per se.

[anerlich]

I presume the original poster is discussing the Entry Technique used by William Cheung, and possibly other lineages. An explosive forward step is taken, with the front knee raised to protect the lower and mid gates, and the bil sao extended to protect the upper gate.

To clear up some misconceptions, this movement is not an upward "hop", but rather an explosive forward step with the front knee raised to check a potential or actual leg attack. The trajectory should be identical to any gap-bridging lunge step. Your head should ideally not rise and fall at all during the execution, as otherwise the move would be far too slow and telegraphed. You do not leave the ground much if at all longer than if you were doing a fast lunge step to close distance. Nor do you try to leap huge distances, better to step in while out of range and then do the entry step from a closer position.

You do not "give up your centre" during this move. At all times you are facing your opponent directly.

This type of move is not unique to Cheung's Wing Chun. Arguably it shares a lot with MT's arm and leg block. I've seen scores of kickboxers adopt an almost identical position while moving in on a mid section roundhouse thrown by the opponent. Many of you may have done it without even realising it.

Like any large move you don't throw it straight off the bat, but set it up.

[Roy D. Anthony]

In the Ip MAn system we have a hop technique in the wooden dummy, but not in the Biu Jee Form as in William Cheung's Wing Chun. Hope this helps.( The Hop Technique is not the same as in the William Cheung System's Wing Chun Dummy).

[wongfeilung809]

i believe it was all ready tried in combat in the 80's and didnt work, at least thats what i heard...never seen, i need to to find that tape.. simpleangles

[Roy D. Anthony]

Our System contains training of entry jump step of up to 8 feet. feet not much off the ground. Other areas of the Wing Chun include high steps called Crane stepping.

[Roy D. Anthony]

As for effectiveness, although many have seen techniques from WIng Chun not work, doesn't necessarily mean they do not work. Often times techniques are misused, inappropriately timed, awkwardly sensed resulting in poor use.
Don't blame the system, Blame the one using it.

[anerlich]

There is no entry technique used in the William Cheung version of Bil Jee, at least not the one taught publicly. It is used in the Wooden Dummy form.

And as I explained above, IT'S NOT A HOP.

You CAN use it to enter from long range. That doesn't mean you always should.

[Roy D. Anthony]

The Hop Step is used in our system, exactly like the one of the laws of Physics, as Wing Chun is truly based on physics.

"For Every Action there is an Equal and Opposing reaction."