Shaolin D'oh?

[MonkeySlap Too]

Well, the Mullins board is back up, but they are blaming pornography or some such as the reason it is restricted to members only... very odd, and dishonest I think, as the only posts I saw weren't innapropriate for children, but did cast doubt on SD.

Closed boards are no big deal, but lets be honest, hmmm?

Comments?


See below:

READ THIS BEFORE REGISTERING ON THE MESSAGE BOARD!


Several months ago, we were forced to take the message board down due to some inappropriate and rather obscene things being posted on a public board that children have access to. Part of the problem was moderators not noticing it, but it should have also been the responsibility of the posters to know better than to post it.

After a recent discussion with Senior Master Mullins, it was decided that the message board would be brought back, but with some extra rules.

1 - You MUST be a student in the Mullins branch of the system to get an account. No exceptions. I have altered the phpbb software so that you HAVE to supply your teacher's name and your REAL NAME before it will allow you to register. It then sends this information to me, so that we can verify you are who you say you are before your account is activated. Your real name is kept confidential, it is not displayed in your profile or anywhere else on the message board.

2 - KEEP IT CLEAN. No overtly sexual posts, innuendos, remarks, etc. Cursing won't be tolerated either.


All of the typical message board rules still apply; They will be posted at a later date. Note that violation in these rules will result in an immediate ban, no questions asked.

All of that being said, enjoy the message board and keep punching and kicking!

Sifu Rob Hall, Moderator and site admin

[rubthebuddha]

and the significance of this is ...?

[Fred Sanford]

They need to keep their cult members sheltered from the outside world.

[Brad]

Well, the Mullins board is back up, but they are blaming pornography or some such as the reason it is restricted to members only... very odd, and dishonest I think, as the only posts I saw weren't innapropriate for children, but did cast doubt on SD.

Depends on how you look at it. Seeing your teacher who you worship talked down about constantly can be pretty upsetting to a child, and reading about your teacher being a fraud, can lead to some pretty obcene posts ;)

Seriously, it would've been better off just saying that non-SD people were causing trouble and making it more difficult for the SD people to enjoy their art. Tells the truth, while being vaugue enough for their purposes.

:p

[Serpent]

Originally posted by rubthebuddha
and the significance of this is ...?
That aspirants coming here for a tip on what's good to study will see how SD operates.

[trilobite]

Actually, from what I understand, and just because I'm not a friggin' idiot, the reason that our board is blocked off to students outside of Master Mullins jurisdiction has more to do with petty arguments amongst fellow students than anything posters on this board or any other could have done.

For fun, check the official Shaolin-Do site. Notice that certain people have been removed from the Masters page and that the locations have been edited.

In all reality it's nothing for anyone to be worried about.

[rubthebuddha]

i'm still waiting for someone to tell me why this is significant. it's mullins' forum -- he can do what he wants with it. kfm has only a few detractors and i have a joyous enough time keeping ralek from posting porn and keeping meat shake from posting his own poetry, among other things -- i can't imagine what kind of bull**** those guys have to put up with, shaolin do or not. regardless, news of the goings-on in the shaolin do world have no real significance to anyone not affected by it, hence my initial question.

[BM2]

He could have opened it up to the rest of the clubs. But he should do what he thinks is best for his clubs even though I disagree.
Seems MST got a different response from the one I did. I tried on the first day it was back to get on. Gee, now he knows who I am :p
Yes there was things that shouldn't have been posted. Those ladies who posted the guys pics...I mean who wants to see that :confused: And from a buisness view it was not the way to go. Although I do admit looking once or twice at the ladies pics :o
It was still good to read from people seeing things from another view point. They even changed my mind about some things.
As long as they kept the children and the adults acting like children out , it was all fun.

[Judge Pen]

I post on the Mullins forum more than anyone although I have no control over it's membership. The porno issue was a problem as was the arguments from the other branches of SD. The ones that posted from here really weren't all that bad (with a few exceptions). Master Mullins got fed up with all the rumors and gossip that was started on the board, and all of the issues regarding appropriate content and took the whole thing down to the chagrin of several members like me. At a bare minimum the forum was good for the Mullins schools because of the community building it led to. I got to know members from the other Mullins schools that I didn't know. Several other people felt the same way because they talked Master Mullins into allowing the board up for that purpose.

It has no big significance. Those who say "It's to close us off" should look around. Master Mullins has never told me or anyone not to read or post on other forums. They have no issue with me visiting other CMA schools and taking seminars etc from other teachers. I do this with my teacher's full knowledge and permission. So the cult thing just doesn't cut it. Why would they let one of their highest ranking students do all of this if they were afraid I would leave. Fact is I would have left already but for the quality of instruction I get from the Mullins. I can't speak for all of SD, but I'm happy where I am and I keep an open mind about everything I'm taught and told.

We have other forums to discuss these things. I liked the forum being open, but I understand why it's not and I'm at least glad that it's back up in one form or another.

[MasterKiller]

I posted over there a little bit, just to put a bur in themeecer's britches, but most of the negative talk came from CSC people, if my memory serves me correctly. It seems no one from either side could agree on anything...even their own lineage.

[sean_stonehart]

:rolleyes: :D :eek:

[Radhnoti]

My research tells me that SD is a Chinese-based style (even if you believe GrandMaster Sin made it up...he's Chinese and the internal portions like Tai Chi are undeniably Chinese based) that was altered in Indonesia and then altered again in the states. I call it kuntao now instead of kung-fu when I'm explaining what it is, but I'm just a nobody from nowhere with little rank in the system.

The politics are approaching unbearable at my school. I'm not even training that much anymore (have a new baby that takes a lot of time), and I'm hearing how crazy it's getting.

I heard the turnout at the Lexington tournament was pretty sparce this year...

[Judge Pen]

I heard that too Rad, and I'm sure you've breezed the SDA site and seen the changes that they've made. E-mail me so we can catch up.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by Radhnoti
My research tells me that SD is a Chinese-based style (even if you believe GrandMaster Sin made it up...he's Chinese and the internal portions like Tai Chi are undeniably Chinese based) that was altered in Indonesia and then altered again in the states. How does Sin being a part-Chinese person transplanted to Indonesian make his training in Indonesia a Chinese style? I mean, he has nothing to do with the way the style was developed. It was taught to him AFTER it reached Indonesia and was passed down to another generation (Furry Guy --> Ie and his collegues).

[Judge Pen]

GM Sin The' is full Chinese, but born in Indonesia. I thought Rad was being facetious and saying if he made-up the entire art, then it would still be "Chinese."

MK, did you check the "At the feet" DVD regarding the sand burn teacher?

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by Judge Pen
MK, did you check the "At the feet" DVD regarding the sand burn teacher? I don't have it. I watched some of the clips online once. I'll have to find the link again.

[Judge Pen]

Oh, I thought you had a copy as a novelty. when you find the clip then post the link. I'm curious as to what he said.

[MasterKiller]

I'm not dishing out $40 for a novelty. I've got DeathStars and X-Wings to buy, you know. :p

[MonkeySlap Too]

JP - is your teacher missing from the list?

[Judge Pen]

Yep. Only members of the "Shaolin-Do Association" are recognized by the official website.

[Meat Shake]

We should overthrow the SDA and force its ranking members to commit sebuku. (sp?)

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
We should overthrow the SDA and force its ranking members to commit sebuku. (sp?) Are you current on your dues? :p

[SevenStar]

senpuku.


with a frisbee.

[lxtruong]

Originally posted by Judge Pen
There's a cause I could get behind. :D

tsk tsk, you know the president of the SDA is Grandmaster Sin. That's not all that funny of a joke.

[MasterKiller]

lxtruong just loves Sin The's golden cockroach

[IronKim]

Whats is this SD junk?

Sin The what a joker. Grandmaster would eat him up for lunch in bite size.!

Movie muscle flexer little bizatch!

Why don't Grandmaster come to your school and slap that bizatch up???

Save you all some money to learn from the real thing!

:rolleyes:

[lxtruong]

hey, it's one thing for an outsider to make the joke. It's another thing for a student to make that type of joke about his teacher. Even you would agree with me on that one. I don't care that you made it, it seems unseemly for someone in shaolin-do to make that joke though.

[Judge Pen]

Lxtroung, you're right. I spoke hastily. I just hate the rift between the SDA and the non-affiliated schools. I've never said anything bad about Grandmaster The and defend him on this board. The way different schools do things does cause some friction though.

I've deleted that post.

[MonkeySlap Too]

Hey JP - whats the beef between SDA and other Sin The' schools? Does ST still associate with non-SD schools? Please give me a negativity-free answer (you usually do).

I'm just curious, because I always get tapped by my teachers for insights into organizational behavior ... which is funny if you knew me.

[MasterKiller]

It's the brothers.

Sin says Ie was not related to them. Sin's little brother says Ie was their grandaddy. Also, neither group can agree on the year Ie died (some say Sin put it back 10 years to make it look like he had more time to study with the guy).

At any rate, the brothers do not talk anymore, but no one in SD will talk about why...

[Judge Pen]

The SDA is an seperate organization. All the SD and CSC schools are still affiliated with GM Sin The. He goes to these schools to visit, test, and teach. The SDA is operated by Master Leonard, his most senior student, but it's a voluntary organization. Unfortunately, there's a bit of politics and "sibiling rivalry" between different schools, but GM The' doesn't get involved or play favorites.

I know GM The gets a bad rap here, but let me give you my first impression of the man. I grew up in an extremely rural town in Virginia. It is small enough to make Hazard Kentucky look like Metropolis. I was first taught in a very small school. It was one night a week in a local elementary school gym. Not the money market McDojo people accuse SD of being. It was a good ways out of the way for Sin The to visit our school, but every three months he did and gave us our tests. My fee was always reasonable as were the testing fees. He didn't have to come down and test us, but he did. He wasn't making a lot of money on my teacher's school. Just the test fees for the 15 students or so. Say waht you want about the man and the history lineage arguments, but it imprssed me that he would pay attention to this little school as much or more than the mega schools in the more metropolitan areas.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by MasterKiller
It's the brothers.

Sin says Ie was not related to them. Sin's little brother says Ie was their grandaddy. Also, neither group can agree on the year Ie died (some say Sin put it back 10 years to make it look like he had more time to study with the guy).

At any rate, the brothers do not talk anymore, but no one in SD will talk about why...

Actually, GM Sin doesn't say, one way or the other.

[Meat Shake]

"hey, it's one thing for an outsider to make the joke. It's another thing for a student to make that type of joke about his teacher. Even you would agree with me on that one. I don't care that you made it, it seems unseemly for someone in shaolin-do to make that joke though."

I was once in shaolin-do and Ill say it. Sin The is so full of **** his eyes are brown. Dudes about to overflow. Hey, I know! Lets all get a bunch of people that know absolutely nothing or next to nothing about any given subject, and teach them entirely wrong, and not only that, but we shall teach them that they know everything and everyone else knows nothing! Nothin screams "FUN!" to me like a horde of disillusioned students.

I dont have distaste for the entire organization, just the die hard "SD is the end all be all, and the r34l d34l l337 kung fu." ... Which is a good majority of the organization. I commend Master Mullin in taking the steps he has to traditionalize the art in a more chinese way, and I shame Master Sin for the lies hes told and the inherent dangers he has put students in from said lies.

[Judge Pen]

Master Mullins isn't opposed to anything of Master Sin The. The material is the same, we work hard at it. We've changed uniforms is all. I'm proud of the way Master Mullins teaches me, but his teacher was GM The and Master Leonard so his knowledge came from somewhere.

[rubthebuddha]

****ing retards. three pages and nothing of merit. SD has been addressed so many times, yet no one has bothered to say anything new about it. if you honestly want info on SD, ask someone who knows for the information. if you want to revel in SD-hating tripe, play with the search function.