Melting Babies

[MonkeySlap Too]

Actually RTB, I take offense being called a ****ing retard, when it is a fairly civil, entertaining discussion. I mean, melting babies? That was funny.

Please remove that long pole out of your behind, and try moderating more moderately.

[rubthebuddha]

then give me at least one legitimate reason for that SD thread, and i'll give you your pole back.

the discussion about SD rarely is civil, and this one was already on its way downhill. people seem to think the topic of SD is just some joyous open door for ridicule. any discussion about its merits are way past beating the dead horse. add that to the fact that several members PMed me and asked that it be nixed, and i'll happily oblige them.

you, however, aren't a ****ing retard. i'll retract that one right now, with apologies.

[rubthebuddha]

i just realized -- kfm has a thread called "melting babies" and gda is nowhere in site.

[MonkeySlap Too]

I'm not so sure it was degenerating - any more than the topic will naturally due to it's source...

TWS offered his opinions on the evolution of his opinion.

MK produced an amusing bit from a vid-clip from Sin The', which JP cleared up.

I was just interested in the cult-like desire to have a private board... Although I am not oppossed to private boards. It struck me as odd, as JP's school seems to be the least cult-like of the bunch.

I really didn't see anything that bad, other than perhaps someone's logic being questioned. It's not like SD is Oom Yung doe. Besides, JP makes it fun. And Willow is always good for a board-sparring match.

But the number one reason the topic shouldn't be avoided? Entertainment, buddy, entertainment. It's the groups with the wild claims that make the board fun.

By your standard of nothing new, you could block half the threads I see on here today, if not all.

[rubthebuddha]

probably a lot more than half, but i had a different standard as well -- people were making a legit request to have the thread nixed. reagardless of why a thread denigrates, the fact remains that few SD threads have remained free of poopstains.

as far as the reason for nixing access, JP's account that the forum had problems with porn and other crap posting sounds reasonable enough. couple that with the fact that mullins wanted to avoid altogether the joys of dealing with non-organization folk simply there to be troublesome and that pretty much clinches it. forbidding students from reading elsewhere as well wasn't part of it, so the cultish nature, at least in this specific case, never seems to surface. it seems to me like an honest desire to keep the bull**** out. otherwise, the forum can easily regress into something unsavory like the vtaa.hk forum.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

just got back from baltimore tonight.

first thread i checked.

[themeecer]

Originally posted by rubthebuddha
as far as the reason for nixing access, JP's account that the forum had problems with porn and other crap posting sounds reasonable enough. couple that with the fact that mullins wanted to avoid altogether the joys of dealing with non-organization folk simply there to be troublesome and that pretty much clinches it.
Perfect explanation.

I too am not allowed on that board since I am not a student under Master Mullins.

As to the affiliation with the SDA. The rule that was explained to me was that to have your picture listed on the SDA site and detailed info on your school in the locations area is as follows: the main teacher/sifu/master must be a SDA member and they must have 5 students as SDA members. This is a uniform way to organize our schools. If a SD school prefers not to be affiliated with the SDA, then that is their prerogative. Some schools have went rouge: http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/mindbodyspirit/History.html Thankfully so. :rolleyes: While others have a different philosophy in training aspects and general cosmetic topics.

IMO the purpose of the SDA is to bring uniformity to our art. It has taken strives at 'fixing' some of the variations that have popped up in our forms after filtering through a handful of teachers. Other schools have done this, so it is not a new concept.

[MonkeySlap Too]

Hmmm, doesn't look any worse than the SD I've seen...

Watched the Sin The' 'mantis' video. I rest my case.

[themeecer]

Originally posted by MonkeySlap Too
Hmmm, doesn't look any worse than the SD I've seen...

Watched the Sin The' 'mantis' video. I rest my case.
Whatever. :rolleyes:

[cerebus]

The Sin The mantis vid is what demonstrated pretty conclusively that SD is not a traditional Chinese MA.

Every time someone posts an SD vid clip and it gets railed against, SD people say "Well, yeah, THAT school sucked, but OUR school does it right."

Then I saw Sin The in action and it's pretty obvious why his students' forms are done the way they are. The student is a reflection of the teacher.

[MasterKiller]

Funny how RTB gets all defensive about SD once Sonnon moves into his school. Rolling in those camo fatigues must be making him dizzy.

[themeecer]

Originally posted by cerebus
Then I saw Sin The in action and it's pretty obvious why his students' forms are done the way they are. The student is a reflection of the teacher.

You saw GM Sin The in action? Then you must have seen a different preying mantis video than I have. All of his instructional videos I have he just walks through the forms. Some have been critical of this, but you know what ... it is his perogative to do so. If he wanted to make a video for demonstration and showing off that would be a different story. I spent the weekend around him and watched the man go through pa qua broadsword with a humongous (non-wu shu steel) pa qua broadsword over 16 times with each section. I was wore out only doing it half as many times and with a much lighter sword, and I aslo didn't just have surgery on my shoulder. So the man has skills, whether you choose to believe it or not.

But once again you are bringing up old arguments. Seems some of you have nothing better to do than to put down other arts. It is getting tiresome for both sides.

And by durn .. you all have drug me into another one of these. I was only trying to comment on the Mullin's website and the SDA. Bah!!

[cerebus]

Well.... he's in shape, that much I won't argue against. In the mantis vid I saw, he wasn't "walking" through the form. He was using speed & power but his hand techniques were performed using just his arms, no mantis body movement or footwork was displayed. The kicks he used looked like Karate or Tae Kwon Do kicks, not like anything I've seen in traditional mantis.

Yeah you can wish that, because these points have been mentioned before, they will somehow disappear, but that's just not going to happen.

*Shakes head wondering at the refusal of some people to realize the truth*

[Serpent]

Originally posted by themeecer
Some schools have went rouge: http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/mindbodyspirit/History.html Thankfully so. :rolleyes: While others have a different philosophy in training aspects and general cosmetic topics.


Fvcking LOL!

:D

[Serpent]

BTW where is this vid of Sin The doing the mantis thing?

[cerebus]

It was posted here many moons ago when there was so much SD discussion. It's probably buried in the archives somewhere.

[Brad]

*Shakes head wondering at the refusal of some people to realize the truth*

It's an ego thing. Most people have pretty fragile egos(though most of us would never admit it, of course ;)). Most think pretty highly of their character judgement skills, though in reality a lot of people are pretty easilly tricked/manipulated. It's pretty devestating to find out you've been fooled so completely, esp. if you've been involved in the scam for a long time. You become very good at lying to yourself, making excuses for inconsistances, and so on.

I've also noticed a lot the best frauds out there actually have some skill in something... there's a local group, that teaches a "made up" style based on TKD(and some Hap Ki Do, possibly). They also managed to get some other talented martial artists involved in the organization, including a very legit Shui Jiao guy and my dad(old school TKD blackbelt) though he quit eventually). All it takes is for a couple people(or youself) to sucessfully use a skill you learned in class in a real life situation, and they're convinced of the legitimacy of their school. Only someone with no skill would take the time to lie and make up phoney histories, etc. right? Wrong! It seems to be a fairly popular myth that fraud=no martial arts skills. I think con artists are actually often fairly intellegent people who would do pretty well if they decided to go with a legit career.

[Meat Shake]

" Only someone with no skill would take the time to lie and make up phoney histories, etc. right? Wrong! It seems to be a fairly popular myth that fraud=no martial arts skills."

But not a myth in the case of SD. I took classes for several months. The material is cr@p.


And yes, as far as pointless monotonous material goes, this forum would be empty if it was all locked.

[themeecer]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
I took classes for several months. The material is cr@p.

So since you are a failure at something the fault is in the art and not in you? The material has aided me well through the years. I guess I may just be an anomaly.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by Serpent
BTW where is this vid of Sin The doing the mantis thing? http://www.shao-lin.com/Category.cfm?CategoryID=13

Click the "Shao Lin Grandmaster" link...

[lxtruong]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
" Only someone with no skill would take the time to lie and make up phoney histories, etc. right? Wrong! It seems to be a fairly popular myth that fraud=no martial arts skills."

But not a myth in the case of SD. I took classes for several months. The material is cr@p.


And yes, as far as pointless monotonous material goes, this forum would be empty if it was all locked.

Out of curiousity, how many months? Didn't you say previously that you learned some mantis from us too?

[MonkeySlap Too]

Well, I watched it again - amazing.

There is simply no way that the SD 'legends' can hold any truth to them - I mean look at that... It's not a matter of good or bad mantis, it's not even mantis at all... and it looks consistent with the Atlanta school everyone pooh-poohs...

I think the case is well made, it is just a matter of wether you choose to drink the kool-aid or not...

Out of curiosity - what is considered the 'core art' - is it the Karate one step sparring I've seen?

[Royal Dragon]

Just looked at the Sin The Mantis clip.

Wow, all I can say is i could do bertter than that, and I think many members of this board would back me up when I said I suck.

And I'm not talking about doing HIS mantis form, I mean making up my own like he did. His performance does not even have any Long Fist principals that I recognise. Mantis is Long Fist. No core principals, no Mantis.

In fact, it didn't seem to have ANY principals that I recognise as being a Chinese art at all. He was all arms, and his kicks were substandard aat best.

Yes, he had some sort of mantis hand posture, but the spear head is not the spear. Without the staff behind it, a spear head is close to useless.

That's what this set reminds me of. A "Spearless head".

[SifuAbel]

It goes to show, a ripped asian guy with a mullet can sell anything.

Technically, the basic uses were there, whipping and poking to the eye. Hooking and striking. But very simplistic. And the lock combos are not on the clip. And the typical closed chested hand guard is absent. The footwork is not what you'd expect . No 7 star or monkey footwork.

[Meat Shake]

"So since you are a failure at something the fault is in the art and not in you?"


lofl... I could train to use the crap I learned if I felt like it, but Im martially apt enough to realize what works and what is absolutely not realistic. Meercer, please realize I study shuai chiao now and pull your head out of your ass. If I couldnt handle SD, I couldnt even handle an olympic TKD school, much less some real fighting. The only failure to be spoken of on this thread is your failure to realize that you have been conned out of massive amounts of money, and your failure to realize that what you are learning is made up bull**** and not kung fu. Go back to your death strikes, chi blasts, and biting out pressure points like t3h d34dl33 to stop the evil grapplers.... I tried to keep it civil, but if you're going to be a ******* Im going to honestly voice my opinions. Its been a long night and I wasnt in the mood to wake up and read some bull**** about being a "failure at SD"... lofl... God, Id ****ing shoot myself in the face if I couldnt handle SD.

"Out of curiousity, how many months? Didn't you say previously that you learned some mantis from us too?"

8 months. Dont get me wrong, I really do like a few of the people there, and sifu ryan is a great guy. However... Ive been in different martial arts since I was 9 years old... Most of what I learned in SD did feel a lot like karate. I also have severe distaste for GM Sin, as he has lied, and continues to lie to his vast sources of revenue. I too have spoken face to face with GM sin, and he seems like a nice enough guy. Lots of con men seem like nice enough guys. As for the Austin school... Ive been there twice, and a good majority of the blackbelts I met there were so d@mned ****y... And yes, I was at the "throwing seminar". SD throws... heh... Need not go further into that.
As for the SD mantis... I compared the SD version of "white monkey exits cave" with a traditional tanglang branch of mantis... The 2 looked absolutely nothing alike... The SD version is coppy and consists of several hokey finger strikes to "deadly pressure points"... The tanglang version flowed from move to move more like a combination of attacks, jointlocks, and takedowns.
And just to let it be known, I dont sit and blather about things from the safety of behind my computer. I live in san antonio, and host throwdowns fairly regularly. Id be more than abliged to throw someone around a bit if they are in the area.... Or just keep up with the throwdown forum on bullshido. Ill most likely try and host one or two more before I leave for minnesota.

[Meat Shake]

Wonder how long until this one gets locked....
:rolleyes:

[themeecer]

[MonkeySlap Too]

Hey Meatshake, I go to St. Paul on business, you going to be anywhere near there? What's bringing you to Minnesota?

[CaptinPickAxe]

dam...

I'm waitin' for Ashton Kutcher to pop out and say, "YOU JUST PUNK'D!"

LOL:D