Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[kwaichang]

MK HAS NO CLASS,he has no respect. No different than at a military funeral , the respect is demonstrated. KC:confused:

[kwaichang]

MAN JUST APPOLOGIZE TO JP AND MAN UP. You stepped in **** and smell of it so man up and go wash off. KC:D

[hskwarrior]

What are people who take martial arts classes 3 times a week supposed to look like? Yakuza?

yes!!!!!!! LOL

[Syn7]

I didn't make the video. I dunno why it's the way it is. Either it was chopped to prevent people from taking it or it was just really poorly filmed in the first place. I have only seen like 3 vids of him. I just wanted to put out an example of the standard I was looking for. I wanna see an SD demo that shows intensity and power.

[Syn7]

Is it just me or does everyone but the guy in the back row right look like they are foour feet tall?
The guy with the hair and glasses next to the "tall" guy is ganster!

I get the Gi thing. It's weird to me, but I get it. If I went to my teachers funeral I think everyone would be in suits and ties.

Do you guys ever wear shoes with your Kimono?

[shen ku]

Yes I was talking about the bus ride, I threwup all the way down the mountain. Master Nance kwpt me from falling out the window.

[Syn7]

I'm sure he was a nice guy. I just think everyone looks short in that pic. How's that disrespectful? Which part of what I wrote do you find offensive? Or should we never talk about anything related to a funeral?

[Empty_Cup]

I'm sure he was a nice guy. I just think everyone looks short in that pic. How's that disrespectful? Which part of what I wrote do you find offensive? Or should we never talk about anything related to a funeral?

Go ahead and post a picture of the last funeral you attended of somebody close to you. We here on the internetz would be glad to comment on it.

[hskwarrior]

@ Masterkiller, Syn7 and HSKwarrior
The first comment by Masterkiller regarding the funeral photo could be overlooked as a knee jerk reaction to something unfamiliar but the continuing comments are insensitive and uncalled for.

I was proud to have also known this man.

I don't think your comments would have bothered him much but they offend the hell out of me.

If there is a man among you he will step up and remove these posts.

don't include me in this cult worshipping. all i said was WOW......and asked if anyone of those guys in the pic would scare anyone else. why are you so senthitive?

BROTHER LOVE.....LOL................... i'm not removing a God Dang thang!!!!! :D

[hskwarrior]

Go ahead and post a picture of the last funeral you attended of somebody close to you. We here on the internetz would be glad to comment on it.

until now, i don't think i've seen anyone in my life ever show up to a funeral wearing karate gi's.

[Judge Pen]

They wore their Gis to the funeral? WTF.

Pallbearers.

[Judge Pen]

Thats cool. But the Gis are a tad white trash.

It was at the request of his widow.

[Judge Pen]

This was a funeral for one of the best men I ever knew who died in a tragic accident at the age of 34. Those that were asked to be his pallbearers were asked to wear their gi by his widow. This man didn't talk about hairy monks of shaolin fairy-tales: He taught martial arts. We sweated and bled in an old elementary school gymnasium with no air conditioning for $20 a month (to cover his insurance: He did not earn a dime from his teaching). He taught me, an arrogant teenage kid, several life lessons of honor, humility and respect. Lessons I try to apply in my everyday life (including trying to rationally respond to many of the posts here that others rant about). It looks like many of you need to learn these lessons yourself.

[Judge Pen]

don't include me in this cult worshipping. all i said was WOW......and asked if anyone of those guys in the pic would scare anyone else. why are you so senthitive?

BROTHER LOVE.....LOL................... i'm not removing a God Dang thang!!!!! :D

I'm glad to know that my 18 year-old self wouldn't scare you (or anyone else). That suits me just fine. I love being under-estimated. In fact, I make a living off of people that under-estimate me.

[hskwarrior]

I'm glad to know that my 18 year-old self wouldn't scare you (or anyone else). That suits me just fine. I love being under-estimated. In fact, I make a living off of people that under-estimate me.

i love it when people underestimate me. LOOOOOOOOVE IT

[Judge Pen]

I'm sure he was a nice guy. I just think everyone looks short in that pic. How's that disrespectful? Which part of what I wrote do you find offensive? Or should we never talk about anything related to a funeral?

No offense taken to you Syn7. Barry, the guy with the 80s hair-metal hair was short (5-9 or so). I am 6-1 but I was down in the front. There are two guys in the back that are over 6-3. Ever hear of forced perspective? It's a photography trick that makes hobbits look little in the moving pictures.

[Judge Pen]

This was a funeral for one of the best men I ever knew who died in a tragic accident at the age of 34. Those that were asked to be his pallbearers were asked to wear their gi by his widow. This man didn't talk about hairy monks of shaolin fairy-tales: He taught martial arts. We sweated and bled in an old elementary school gymnasium with no air conditioning for $20 a month (to cover his insurance: He did not earn a dime from his teaching). He taught me, an arrogant teenage kid, several life lessons of honor, humility and respect. Lessons I try to apply in my everyday life (including trying to rationally respond to many of the posts here that others rant about). It looks like many of you need to learn these lessons yourself.

Bump to the top.

[Judge Pen]

i love it when people underestimate me. LOOOOOOOOVE IT

We have something in common then. If you have been under-estimated then you should know better to under-estimate someone else.

[Judge Pen]

We have something in common then. If you have been under-estimated then you should know better to under-estimate someone else.

I mean, do the guys in this picture intimidate you?

[hskwarrior]

hahahahahah at least im not wearing a karate gi to funeral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hskwarrior]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540057_10151177856287732_1944017156_n.jpg

oh so you're the guy in the frong with the unusually large head?

[Judge Pen]

For a man of that character, I would have done a lot more. You understand the concept of famly. We have had this conversation before. I've been extremely respectful to you and your sifu. Perhaps it was too much to expect the same. You can attack Sin The for his lies all you want, but my first sifu is above reproach.

[Judge Pen]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540057_10151177856287732_1944017156_n.jpg

oh so you're the guy in the frong with the unusually large head?

I was wearing the gi, not the guy in the sunglasses.

[hskwarrior]

For a man of that character, I would have done a lot more. You understand the concept of famly. We have had this conversation before. I've been extremely respectful to you and your sifu. Perhaps it was too much to expect the same. You can attack Sin The for his lies all you want, but my first sifu is above reproach.

what is this bs? im not clowning anyones sifu. i'm clowning people who wear karate gi's to funerals.

you posted your own picture and i went off of that. you want to go searching for pictures of me we can play that game. regardless of what you may think, i don't cave in. don't start none there won't be none hahahahaha

we can have a game of post a pic. but i play dirty. you don't want that.

[Judge Pen]

what is this bs? im not clowning anyones sifu. i'm clowning people who wear karate gi's to funerals.

At the request of his widow for the pallbearers. You are being disrepctful to my late sifu.

[hskwarrior]

I was wearing the gi, not the guy in the sunglasses.

like i said...the one with an unusually large dome. or are you the guy with the porn stache?????? LOLOL

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/porn-stache.jpg

[hskwarrior]

At the request of his widow for the pallbearers. You are being disrepctful to my late sifu.

who the fuk are you talking about? i'm clowning the living people. wtf is wong with you?

[Judge Pen]

Frank, I was making a point that you can't tell whether or not someone has martial prowress from a photo. I've done nothing but compliment you are your skill based on what I can see from the videos you post. Why do you take everything so personally? We both have in common the fact that we love being underestimated.

Now you want to rip me for wearing a gi to my late sifu's funeral. That's fine, but own up to the fact that you are disrespecting a man you have never met. When your sifu passes I will not besmerch him even if you are in the ass end of a lion dancing out of respect for him. I will say he was a good teacher whom I was lucky to have met. We should all be so lucky to have people speak well of us when we pass.

[Judge Pen]

who the fuk are you talking about? i'm clowning the living people. wtf is wong with you? My late teacher's widow requested we wear our gis. For you to rip that is being disrepectful to his memory and his widow's requests. I'm amazed you can't grasp that point.

[hskwarrior]

Frank, I was making a point that you can't tell whether or not someone has martial prowress from a photo. I've done nothing but compliment you are your skill based on what I can see from the videos you post. Why do you take everything so personally? We both have in common the fact that we love being underestimated.

you went searching for MY photo to prove you point. wtf do you have to prove a point to me for when i know you can't tell anything from a picture. but i can state my opinion.

and if you keep trying to act like people in shaolin do can fight.....WHERE THE FUK IS THE FOOTAGE? YA'LL GOT FOOTAGE OF EVERYTHING BUT FIGHTING. so we're supposed to belive people from a lineage of proven lies????? yeah sureeeee! LOL


Now you want to rip me for wearing a gi to my late sifu's funeral. That's fine, but own up to the fact that you are disrespecting a man you have never met. When your sifu passes I will not besmerch him even if you are in the ass end of a lion dancing out of respect for him. I will say he was a good teacher whom I was lucky to have met. We should all be so lucky to have people speak well of us when we pass.

you are that sissy that you can't take a little ribbing about what you chose to wear?????? are you fukking serious? my baby sister doesn't get this ass hurt over words. LOLOLOL.

this is where you and i are different. i as you say "besmerched" a FUKKING LYING THIEF. how can i say anytyhing about your sifu when i don't fukkin know who your sifu is. all i know is you come from that **** called shaolin do. the fukkin that stole our form. so unitl your leader of your lineages sends my sifu a direct apology for this thievery, don't EVER expect me to show respect. i will GIVE if i feel there's a need for it.

if i wore a fukkin clown outfit to a wedding i'd expect to be clowned too.

stop the pussiness and grow thicker skin.

[Judge Pen]

And I was wearing a martialartsmart gi to boot.

http://www.martialartsmart.com/k11-22.html

[hskwarrior]

My late teacher's widow requested we wear our gis. For you to rip that is being disrepectful to his memory and his widow's requests. I'm amazed you can't grasp that point.

stick it up your ass deeply and twist. this is the first i read this. so go sit and spin. Gi wearin wannabe kung fu fukka.

and all i said is "I'm CLOWNING" aside from the dude with the HUGE CRANIUM i ain't talkin **** about anyone. i'm talking **** about what was worn prior to knowing it was requested which changes the image.

fukkin karate guys! :rolleyes:

[hskwarrior]

And I was wearing a martialartsmart gi to boot.


no you're wearing ED PARKERS signature kenpo uniform.

nothing to do with SHAOLIN at all.

[Judge Pen]

you went searching for MY photo to prove you point. wtf do you have to prove a point to me for when i know you can't tell anything from a picture. but i can state my opinion.

You know what they say about opinions. It's a free country, you can say anything you want. And my point is that one silly picture does not mean anything when it comes to ability

and if you keep trying to act like people in shaolin do can fight.....WHERE THE FUK IS THE FOOTAGE? YA'LL GOT FOOTAGE OF EVERYTHING BUT FIGHTING. so we're supposed to belive people from a lineage of proven lies????? yeah sureeeee! LOL

I freely rip Sin The for his lies. At one time I posted footage of me fighting. I posted comments from several non-SD people complimenting me on my ability. I have moved since then and have not laid hands on the video, but other's comments are posted here. You can believe what you want, but a lied about lineage still taught me how to fight.

you are that sissy that you can't take a little ribbing about what you chose to wear?????? are you fukking serious? my baby sister doesn't get this ass hurt over words. LOLOLOL.

I can take all the personal ribbing you want. All I'm pointing out is that your statements are disreptful to my teacher. That's a fact. You had the right to be offended when Jake Mace and SD disresptected your lineage's 5 animal form. That was your right. If I made fun of something you wore while you were kneeling at the grave of your sigung, you would have the right to call me an ass for doing so.

this is where you and i are different. i as you say "besmerched" a FUKKING LYING THIEF. how can i say anytyhing about your sifu when i don't fukkin know who your sifu is. all i know is you come from that **** called shaolin do. the fukkin that stole our form. so unitl your leader of your lineages sends my sifu a direct apology for this thievery, don't EVER expect me to show respect. i will GIVE if i feel there's a need for it.

My first sifu NEVER lied to me. He never stole anything. You can't besmerch Sin The as his words do that just fine. I could care less what you say about him. I agree with it. I'm just asking that you show a little respect for the dead and his widow's wishes at his buriel. I won't lose any sleep if you don't.

if i wore a fukkin clown outfit to a wedding i'd expect to be clowned too.

stop the pussiness and grow thicker skin.

My skin is fine. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Your comments show your character.

[Judge Pen]

no you're wearing ED PARKERS signature kenpo uniform.

nothing to do with SHAOLIN at all.

I didn't say it did.

[Judge Pen]

You had an opportunity to say, "my bad. I think wearing a gi to a funeral is fukking stupid, but if my sifu's wife made a request of me at my sifu's funeral I would do it. I respect that even if it looks stupid to me." But you want to keep attacking me, then go ahead.

[hskwarrior]

I didn't say it did.

isn't there a forum for pretend kung fu people who wear karate gi's, use karate terminiolgy, looks more like karate that what they think it is?

[Judge Pen]

isn't there a forum for pretend kung fu people who wear karate gi's, use karate terminiolgy, looks more like karate that what they think it is?

And isn't there a guy who admitted that but still respects the people that taught him even if they were also misled?

[hskwarrior]

You had an opportunity to say, "my bad. I think wearing a gi to a funeral is fukking stupid, but if my sifu's wife made a request of me at my sifu's funeral I would do it. I respect that even if it looks stupid to me." But you want to keep attacking me, then go ahead.

if i clowned the dead guy himself, i'd apologize. but i'm clowning you LIVING GI WEARERS

[hskwarrior]

And isn't there a guy who admitted that but still respects the people that taught him even if they were also misled?

did you mis read my question? did i fukkin ask you about respect? i asked you if there is a forum where people like you can go and revel in your lore of past times when you first began wearing karate gi's?

[Judge Pen]

if i clowned the dead guy himself, i'd apologize. but i'm clowning you LIVING GI WEARERS

If? Still can't own up? If your sifu's wife asked you to be the ass end of a lion at his funeral, would you do it? If she asked you to play the Buddha would you do it? Of course. We trained in gis then. We all know that isn't correct, but we did it. And we wore our uniforms to be the pallbearer at his widow's request. For you to rip that, is disrectful. Don't take me pointing out that as crying. I expected as much when I posted it, I just was curious as to who would be respectful and who would be an ass.

[hskwarrior]

If? Still can't own up? If your sifu's wife asked you to be the ass end of a lion at his funeral, would you do it? If she asked you to play the Buddha would you do it? Of course. We trained in gis then. We all know that isn't correct, but we did it. And we wore our uniforms to be the pallbearer at his widow's request. For you to rip that, is disrectful. Don't take me pointing out that as crying. I expected as much when I posted it, I just was curious as to who would be respectful and who would be an ass.

of course i wold you DUMB FUK. but I would never be in the position of being in a karate school wearing gi's and pretending to be kung fu.

if you schools didn't wear karate gi's i wouldn't be mad if you guys wore KUNG FU uniforms. but since your schools is primarily karate based, i wouldn't expect you to understand traditional kung fu.

[Judge Pen]

of course i wold you DUMB FUK. but I would never be in the position of being in a karate school wearing gi's and pretending to be kung fu.

if you schools didn't wear karate gi's i wouldn't be mad if you guys wore KUNG FU uniforms. but since your schools is primarily karate based, i wouldn't expect you to understand traditional kung fu.

But the lineage is irrelevant in this context. At that time, 20 years agoI didn't care whether it was Karate of Kung Fu. We didn't discuss lineage. We just trained. So for you to use my teacher's funeral to make a point that has not only been made ad nausem but one I readily admit is just stupid. Really.

If you grew up in a rural town in Virginia without the internet and youtube and without the martial arts mecca that is the Bay area, then you would chose an art based on the quality of the teacher and not the lineage. You are holding the people in that photograph to a standard that exists 20 years later. If I lived and grew up where you did, then I probably wouldn't have picked that art, but we can't chose our parents and we can't change where we grew up can we?

[hskwarrior]

If I lived and grew up where you did, then I probably wouldn't have picked that art, but we can't chose our parents and we can't change where we grew up can we?

uh, actually, we DO pick our parents and the lives we live regardless of good or bad. but thats deeper than you might be able to fathom

[themeecer]

I never had the opportunity to meet Judge Pen's teacher either. But I have met Judge Pen, and if he says his teacher was a good man then he was a good man. I am surprised at his patience with you, hskwarrior. I wish I shared that ability. I do not. Personally, if I ever did meet you I would want to beat you within an inch of your life. I would have felt the same way had someone spoke the same way about your teacher's memorial. You have shown you lack any semblance of class and brought dishonor to yourself and to your teacher. I bet he would be very proud to know how his student chooses to carry himself.

[MasterKiller]

It was at the request of his widow.

In that case, my apologies.

[Judge Pen]

I never had the opportunity to meet Judge Pen's teacher either. But I have met Judge Pen, and if he says his teacher was a good man then he was a good man. I am surprised at his patience with you, hskwarrior. I wish I shared that ability. I do not. Personally, if I ever did meet you I would want to beat you within an inch of your life. I would have felt the same way had someone spoke the same way about your teacher's memorial. You have shown you lack any semblance of class and brought dishonor to yourself and to your teacher. I bet he would be very proud to know how his student chooses to carry himself.

You make an excellet point: Had anyone punked Frank's teacher the same way, I would have been first in line to defend him too. I hope that I can make my teacher proud. I stayed in SD for a lot longer than I would have otherwise because of his memory and because I found more good teachers.

[bawang]

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7219&stc=1&d=1353337390

How many people on here would be afraid of any of these guys? :confused:

LOL

are they srs
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[Judge Pen]

In that case, my apologies.

Accepted. No worries.

[Kellen Bassette]

But the lineage is irrelevant in this context. At that time, 20 years agoI didn't care whether it was Karate of Kung Fu. We didn't discuss lineage. We just trained. So for you to use my teacher's funeral to make a point that has not only been made ad nausem but one I readily admit is just stupid. Really.

If you grew up in a rural town in Virginia without the internet and youtube and without the martial arts mecca that is the Bay area, then you would chose an art based on the quality of the teacher and not the lineage. You are holding the people in that photograph to a standard that exists 20 years later. If I lived and grew up where you did, then I probably wouldn't have picked that art, but we can't chose our parents and we can't change where we grew up can we?

Really anytime before 2000 there was such little information available in the West, unless you lived in a metro area with a China Town district you wouldn't have anything to go on...lineage or history wise...that's the reality.

I don't see what's so hard about showing a little class....

[hskwarrior]

if I ever did meet you I would want to beat you within an inch of your life. I would have felt the same way had someone spoke the same way about your teacher's memorial.

now thats comedy. i bet if you came out here lookin for me, you'd have a very different story to tell. trust or don't trust. if you're that bad, im in SF man. i call your bluff.

[Judge Pen]

uh, actually, we DO pick our parents and the lives we live regardless of good or bad. but thats deeper than you might be able to fathom

Again Frank you underestimate my abilty. Your biological parents will always be your biological parents, but you can pick who you consider family. My first teacher was family. If you have respect for that, then you can understand my sentiments toward your reaction. I suspect that you would have reacted even stronger if the roles were reversed.

[Judge Pen]

Really anytime before 2000 there was such little information available in the West, unless you lived in a metro area with a China Town district you wouldn't have anything to go on...lineage or history wise...that's the reality.

I don't see what's so hard about showing a little class....

It's a choice to show class. It's easier to just be reactionary. I've deleted many posts that were reactionary because I know better.

[hskwarrior]

Again Frank you underestimate my abilty. Your biological parents will always be your biological parents,

see. you have failed to comprehend what i was saying because you're not meant to understand it yet. one day maybe. maybe not.


but you can pick who you consider family.

thats not what im saying.


If you have respect for that, then you can understand my sentiments toward your reaction.

i do. i'm just not revealing that to you. but if indeed it was requested. my bad. but i still think its funny.


I suspect that you would have reacted even stronger if the roles were reversed.

that is your supposition. since you don't really know me personally, you don't know how i'd react. one thing MY sifu always taught me was words are just words. and unless someone is trying to actually harm you physically, don't let words affect me mental state.

[bawang]

It's a choice to show class. It's easier to just be reactionary. I've deleted many posts that were reactionary because I know better.

frank is angry because after all this , you guys still have love and affection for sin the; the lies about shaolin doesnt really matter to you, shaolin is such a fairy tale concept , so foreign and meaningless to you that the exposure of sin thes lies barely impacted you.

it doesnt effect you and your world. shaolin kung fu is meaningless to you.

[Judge Pen]

that is your supposition. since you don't really know me personally, you don't know how i'd react. one thing MY sifu always taught me was words are just words. and unless someone is trying to actually harm you physically, don't let words affect me mental state.

Frank, your reactions to words on this forum are proof enough for what you call "supposition."

[hskwarrior]

frank is angry because after all this , you guys still have love and affection for sin the; the lies about shaolin doesnt really matter to you, shaolin is such a fairy tale concept , so foreign and meaningless to you that the exposure of sin thes lies barely impacted you.
__________________

with all their lies and deceit and other stuff that goes, they're like "oh well, business as usual."

they fail to see my anger at how their lineage are exposed BOOSTERS and how it affects those around them.


Frank, your reactions to words on this forum are proof enough for what you call "supposition."

im disgusted at the idea of SHAOLIN DO, wearing GI's and all the stuff that goes with Karate and they're trying to infuse it with gung fu they pick up from books, vcds, dvds, and youtube. i feel about this the same way i feel about mafia assassins sitting at the table of someone they just murdered and cut into pieces and their eating slices of pizza with their victims blood still on their hands. ****in disgusting.

i mean i feel sorry if we ever come across a shaolin do school doing our five animal form. things might get really messy.

[Judge Pen]

frank is angry because after all this , you guys still have love and affection for sin the; the lies about shaolin doesnt really matter to you, shaolin is such a fairy tale concept , so foreign and meaningless to you that the exposure of sin thes lies barely impacted you.

it doesnt effect you and your world. shaolin kung fu is meaningless to you.

If you think I have any affinity toward Sin The, then you have failed to pay attention or read my posts. The man lied to his student or under oath. Either act is unforgivable. He lied to my teachers too. I respect the lessons that they taught me, and how they taught me to apply an art that isn't what it claimed to be. I have lost all respect for Sin The and do not believe anything he says now.

[bawang]

If you think I have any affinity toward Sin The, then you have failed to pay attention or read my posts. The man lied to his student or under oath. Either act is unforgivable. He lied to my teachers too. I respect the lessons that they taught me, and how they taught me to apply an art that isn't what it claimed to be. I have lost all respect for Sin The and do not believe anything he says now.

i am glad you have clearly stated this. good job. your sins are washed away.

[Judge Pen]

with all their lies and deceit and other stuff that goes, they're like "oh well, business as usual."

they fail to see my anger at how their lineage are exposed BOOSTERS and how it affects those around them.



im disgusted at the idea of SHAOLIN DO, wearing GI's and all the stuff that goes with Karate and they're trying to infuse it with gung fu they pick up from books, vcds, dvds, and youtube. i feel about this the same way i feel about mafia assassins sitting at the table of someone they just murdered and cut into pieces and their eating slices of pizza with their victims blood still on their hands. ****in disgusting.

i mean i feel sorry if we ever come across a shaolin do school doing our five animal form. things might get really messy.

And yet after I have personally admitted that Sin The lied about the origins, that the 5Animal Form was of your lineage, that wearing gis but calling it kung fu was wrong and most every other point you chose to make, you still clowned my dead teacher's wife's request for his students to wear the uniforms that we wore then (before there was enough information available to us to know the difference) to his funeral (and when my teacher was lied to as well)? Classy.

[kwaichang]

i mean i feel sorry if we ever come across a shaolin do school doing our five animal form. things might get really messy.[/QUOTE]

Well this shows HSK and his weakness, he slips and posts we and not I he is a coward at heart and threatens with the force of others. The truth shines through, in your own words. KC

[bawang]

And yet after I have personally admitted that Sin The lied about the origins, that the 5Animal Form was of your lineage, that wearing gis but calling it kung fu was wrong and most every other point you chose to make, you still clowned my dead teacher's wife request for his students to wear the uniforms that we wore then (before there was enough information available to us to know the difference) to his funeral (and when my teacher was lied to as well)? Classy.

you havent really directly and openly criticized sin the or stated your stance. you always seemed vague.

the sad part about wearing shaolin do gis to the funeral is that it has defined the life of your teacher. he lived and died in the lie, and he was defined at the end of his life by the lie of sin the.

[Judge Pen]

i am glad you have clearly stated this. good job. your sins are washed away.

:rolleyes: Whatever. You are not even a real person, but a persona of someone else that wants to say things that they don't want attributed to themself. At least Frank is straight up about who he is and what his opinions are.

[Judge Pen]

you havent really directly and openly criticized sin the or stated your stance. you always seemed vague.

the sad part about wearing shaolin do gis to the funeral is that it has defined the life of your teacher. he lived and died in the lie, and he was defined at the end of his life by the lie of sin the.

You just haven't been paying attention. And the only thing sad about my teacher's death is that he died too young. 20 years ago in rural Kentucky/Virginia there was no way of knowing the truth to these things.

[bawang]

:rolleyes: Whatever. You are not even a real person, but a persona of someone else that wants to say things that they don't want attributed to themself. At least Frank is straight up about who he is and what his opinions are.

my name steve. steve johnson.

[hskwarrior]

Well this shows HSK and his weakness, he slips and posts we and not I he is a coward at heart and threatens with the force of others. The truth shines through, in your own words. KC

BUMPKIN. we tend to do bad things to bad people.

themeecer

I call your bluff punk ass!!!!! you're not gonna use your Shaolin Do attacking bee's will you?

[Judge Pen]

BUMPKIN. we tend to do bad things to bad people.

Judge, jury and executioner?

[Judge Pen]

my name steve. steve johnson.

I thought it was John Smith. And you were once on your way to my office for a challenge match, but ran into mechanical issues with your helicopter.:eek::rolleyes:

Ok Steve, where are you from? Live? Have a teacher? A style? A lineage? If I wanted to come and sit in on a class where could I do so? Occupation?

No, you are somone else that wants to rage confidentially.

[hskwarrior]

Judge, jury and executioner?

multi taskin multi levels. I would SO love to see that **** happen in front of me. you think i'm playin. :rolleyes:

[bawang]

You just haven't been paying attention. And the only thing sad about my teacher's death is that he died too young. 20 years ago in rural Kentucky/Virginia there was no way of knowing the truth to these things.

of course its sad. you dedicated his funeral to shaolin do, basically an epitaph about his life, and now you find out shaolin do is a lie.

[bawang]

I thought it was John Smith. And you were once on your way to my office for a challenge match, but ran into mechanical issues with your helicopter.:eek::rolleyes:

Ok Steve, where are you from? Live? Have a teacher? A style? A lineage? If I wanted to come and sit in on a class where could I do so? Occupation?

No, you are somone else that wants to rage confidentially.

if you actually participated in this forum you would know who i am. if you actually had interest about chinese kung fu, and went and read threads about chinese kung fu, you would know i am. but you guys strutted in here just to promote and defend shaolin do.

[Judge Pen]

Frank, you are a prolific youtuber. I've seen some of your studnets in brief sparring clips, but not you. Have any examples of your fighting? I'm curious to see how a sifu's skill in a very specific style translates into a sparring match. Does it still look like CLF or does it start to meld into "kickboxing" (which is often the complaint once a style starts to spar)?

[bawang]

no matter how fat, paralyzed, imcompetent frank is, hung sing is legit. it has history, it has legacy, it has culture, it has continuity. it has documented facts, it has beautiful fantasical myths and legends, it has something missing in shaolin do that you guys desired for.

[Judge Pen]

if you actually participated in this forum you would know who i am. if you actually had interest about chinese kung fu, and went and read threads about chinese kung fu, you would know i am. but you guys strutted in here just to promote and defend shaolin do.

Avoidance much? What's your real name?

[bawang]

Avoidance much? What's your real name?

my slave name is james, but my true name is dezi.

[Judge Pen]

no matter how fat, paralyzed, imcompetent frank is, hung sing is legit. it has history, it has legacy, it has culture, which is something missing in shaolin do and you guys desired for.

I never questioned Hung Sing's pedigree. Frank was lucky to have grown up in a place where he had choices of who to train with.

[Judge Pen]

my slave name is james, but my true name is dezi.

More bull****. You are a coward and want to sling insults without anyone knowing who you are. You know CMA. That's evident from your posts. But you don't want people to know how you know it. Frank can be annoying sometimes, but he has 10 times the honor you have. You like to hide.

[bawang]

no, that is really my name. it means son of righteousness.

[themeecer]

Frank can be annoying sometimes, but he has 10 times the honor you have.

Wow .. that's a pretty harsh put down because Frank has shown no honor.

[Judge Pen]

no, that is really my name. it means son of righteousness.

Then your parents were liars (or maybe overly optimistic). Someone who hides their identity to criticize others is not righteous.

[Judge Pen]

Wow .. that's a pretty harsh put down because Frank has shown no honor.

I don't always agree with what Frank says, but I know it's Frank that is saying it and I can respect that. That's more of a man than bawang.

[bawang]

Then your parents were liars (or maybe overly optimistic). Someone who hides their identity to criticize others is not righteous.

but i just told you my identity, bro.

[Syn7]

Go ahead and post a picture of the last funeral you attended of somebody close to you. We here on the internetz would be glad to comment on it.

WHy so offended? Are you guys all as short as it looks in the pic? Yall got lil man syndrome or what? I don't understand why it's so offensive?

[hskwarrior]

Have any examples of your fighting? I'm curious to see how a sifu's skill in a very specific style translates into a sparring match. Does it still look like CLF or does it start to meld into "kickboxing" (which is often the complaint once a style starts to spar)?

call my sifu. he'll tell you what my combative CLF looks like. My reasons for not posting myself up is for reasons that are on a need to know basis. since its none of your business, you don't need to know. In all of the HUNG SING under my sifu, we ALL are taught to stay away from boxing or kick boxing stuff. to STRICTLY use what in CLF and ONLY CLF. THIS should give you an idea. Still, ANOTHER reason there isn't video of me showing too many applications, or fighting. ITS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW. I DON'T WANT YOU STUDYING MY MOVEMENT. I DON'T WANT ANYONE STUDYING ME PERIOD. I WANT IT TO BE A SURPRISE BECAUSE MANY SUCKAS LOVE TO UNDERESTIMATE ME.

IF YOU THINK I'M ANYWHERE NEAR THE SAME PHYSICALITY OF THE TIME I DROPPED MY STAFF AT THE END OF MY PERFORMANCE, YOU'RE DEAD WRONG.

but to share my POV. what you've seen from my students are only a glimpse. less than a glance. EVERYTHING you see is recorded the VERY FIRST time ever learning drills you see in my videos. AND MY STUDENTS DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE KICK BOXING. THEY ACTUALLY EFFECTIVELY USE THEIR HUNG SING KUEN.

[hskwarrior]

wow .. That's a pretty harsh put down because frank has shown no honor.

i have more honor in the head of my dik than you nor sin the could ever have. Sucka

[bawang]

i wish you guys stole from lama pai, it would have been fun with david ross.

[Judge Pen]

call my sifu. he'll tell you what my combative CLF looks like. My reasons for not posting myself up is for reasons that are on a need to know basis. since its none of your business, you don't need to know. In all of the HUNG SING under my sifu, we ALL are taught to stay away from boxing or kick boxing stuff. to STRICTLY use what in CLF and ONLY CLF. THIS should give you an idea. Still, ANOTHER reason there isn't video of me showing too many applications, or fighting. ITS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW. I DON'T WANT YOU STUDYING MY MOVEMENT. I DON'T WANT ANYONE STUDYING ME PERIOD. I WANT IT TO BE A SURPRISE BECAUSE MANY SUCKAS LOVE TO UNDERESTIMATE ME.

but to share my POV. what you've seen from my students are only a glimpse. less than a glance. EVERYTHING you see is recorded the VERY FIRST time ever learning drills you see in my videos. AND MY STUDENTS DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE KICK BOXING. THEY ACTUALLY EFFECTIVELY USE THEIR HUNG SING KUEN.

Believe it or not, but I can respect that. I don't want people knowing what I can do (or can't as the case may be) either.

[Judge Pen]

i wish you guys stole from lama pai, it would have been fun with david ross.

Yeah, we could have posted that vid of him getting knocked out! :eek: And Ross has the guts to post under his own name (or at least let people know who he is).

[bawang]

Yeah, we could have posted that vid of him getting knocked out! :eek: And Ross has the guts to post under his own name (or at least let people know who he is).

but that only proves mighty david ross has the courage to fight. he would have verbally raped you guys mercilessly like 10 ronnie colemans.

[Judge Pen]

i have more honor in the head of my dik than you nor sin the could ever have. Sucka

Honor is displayed through action. Since you own your statements, you have more honor than bawang.

[bawang]

wat u mean man i have many honor

[Judge Pen]

but that only proves mighty david ross has the courage to fight.

Don Quixote had the courage to fight too. But I like Ross, actually. He owns his words too.

[bawang]

i also own my words mang i have honer

[hskwarrior]

believe it or not, but i can respect that. I don't want people knowing what i can do (or can't as the case may be) either.

the difference between us is i can admit to what i can't do. I was paralyzed from the waist down, so i can't run, i can't stand on my toes.....yet. Can i move? Yes. Can i fight? Yes. Am i fast? If you let me tell it i'd tell you i'm super sonic. But its best if you ask those who've seen my true speed. They have no reason to lie.

Can i do the up and down on one leg? No. Not yet. Key word....not yet.

Can i break your leg? Of course. Are my punches strong? Ask those who've been on the receiving end. Ask me i'll tell you i obliterate them. :d

am i an elite fighter? Not at all. Am i a push over? Not at ALL. Can i end your life with my gung fu? I know i can.

[hskwarrior]

honor is displayed through action. Since you own your statements, you have more honor than bawang.

then i'm in awesome company then. Surrounded by shaolin do cult members and deceivers. :d

[bawang]

then i'm in awesome company then. Surrounded by shaolin do cult members and deceivers. :d

frank they telling me i have no honor it lower my self esteem man, im depressed

can i borrow some honor from u bro

[Judge Pen]

the difference between us is i can admit to what i can't do. I was paralyzed from the waist down, so i can't run, i can't stand on my toes.....yet. Can i move? Yes. Can i fight? Yes. Am i fast? If you let me tell it i'd tell you i'm super sonic. But its best if you ask those who've seen my true speed. They have no reason to lie.

Can i do the up and down on one leg? No. Not yet. Key word....not yet.

Can i break your leg? Of course. Are my punches strong? Ask those who've been on the receiving end. Ask me i'll tell you i obliterate them. :d

am i an elite fighter? Not at all. Am i a push over? Not at. Can i end your life with my gung fu? I know i can.

There's no difference between me and you then (except I can do the up and down on one leg and you can't really call what I do gung fu; kung tao is as close as I can get). Again, please feel free to underestimate me. I'll not underestimate you.

[hskwarrior]

There's no difference between me and you then (except I can do the up and down on one leg and you can't really call what I do gung fu; kung tao is as close as I can get).

WHAT WILL THE UP AND DOWN ON ONE LEG DO FOR YOU IN A REAL FIGHT? EVER SEE ANYONE USE THAT BEFORE? :confused:

[QUOTE][There's no difference between me and you then (except I can do the up and down on one leg and you can't really call what I do gung fu; kung tao is as close as I can get). Again, please feel free to underestimate me. I'll not underestimate you. /QUOTE]

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME IS I WAS TAUGHT WELL, PLUS LIVED THE LIFE THAT REINFORED THE IDEA OF NEVER UNDERESTIMATING ANYONE, INCLUDING STEVEN IRKEL. YOUNG OR OLD, BIG OR SMALL, LIVING OR DEAD, YOU ALL GET THE SAME ASS WHOOPIN.

[Judge Pen]

frank they telling me i have no honor it lower my self esteem man, im depressed

can i borrow some honor from u bro

Frank has earned what he has.

[Judge Pen]

WHAT WILL THE UP AND DOWN ON ONE LEG DO FOR YOU IN A REAL FIGHT? EVER SEE ANYONE USE THAT BEFORE? :confused:

Not really, but it is hard as hell and shows balance, control, strength and discipline. It may not make you a better fighter, but it shows you work hard and are strong (two things that serve you well in a fight).

Xing Yi Dragon has an application for that, but I'm not good enough to try it against a resisting opponent.

[hskwarrior]

originally posted by bawang view post
frank they telling me i have no honor it lower my self esteem man, im depressed

can i borrow some honor from u bro

on its way bawang. Power up bro.

[bawang]

on its way bawang. Power up bro.

can you send about 5 kilograms thx

[hskwarrior]

I got you covered bawang with some extra.


no, but it is hard as hell and shows balance, control, strength and discipline. It may not make you a better fighter, but it shows you work hard and are strong (two things that serve you well in a fight).

i may not have perfect balance, but dude, coming back from being paralyzed has taught me more about rooting than when i was in my pre accident days.

My legs are strong, my horse is good.

[Judge Pen]

WHAT WILL THE UP AND DOWN ON ONE LEG DO FOR YOU IN A REAL FIGHT? EVER SEE ANYONE USE THAT BEFORE? :confused:

[QUOTE][There's no difference between me and you then (except I can do the up and down on one leg and you can't really call what I do gung fu; kung tao is as close as I can get). Again, please feel free to underestimate me. I'll not underestimate you. /QUOTE]

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME IS I WAS TAUGHT WELL, PLUS LIVED THE LIFE THAT REINFORED THE IDEA OF NEVER UNDERESTIMATING ANYONE, INCLUDING STEVEN IRKEL. YOUNG OR OLD, BIG OR SMALL, LIVING OR DEAD, YOU ALL GET THE SAME ASS WHOOPIN.

I was taught well too, I just wasn't taught from a legitimate lineage. Miyamoto Musashi did not have a lineage either, but he was one the greatest swordsmen of Japan (if you will excuse the cross-cultural referance). I'm no Musashi, but I'm competent despite my lineage and I do not underestimate anyone. You many hold me below Urkel in your mind which is fine by me. I do not underestimate you.

[hskwarrior]

You many hold me below Urkel in your mind which is fine by me. I do not underestimate you.

YOU DIDN'T READ WHAT I SAID? :confused::confused::confused:

BUT NEITHER MY TEACHER NOR YOUR TEACHER OR ANY OTHER TEACHER FOR THAT MATTER CAN TEACH ME MORE ABOUT ROOTING THAN WHAT LIFE TAUGHT ME ABOUT IT. I THINK I HAVE A ONE UP ON YOU THERE.

[Judge Pen]

I got you covered bawang with some extra.



i may not have perfect balance, but dude, coming back from being paralyzed has taught me more about rooting than when i was in my pre accident days.

My legs are strong, my horse is good. I don't doubt it. I've seen you move. I'm not criticizing your ability. I can tell you hit like a Mack truck. I've said that before.

[bawang]

I was taught well too, I just wasn't taught from a legitimate lineage. Miyamoto Musashi did not have a lineage either

it is not about the legitimacy of your lineage. it is about the criminality of your lineage and the insult against real shaolin kung fu.

are you comparing sin the or yourself to musashi? musashi can make up his own lineage because hes fukin musashi.

musashi is an undefeated killer. sin the is a college dropout fraudster.

[Judge Pen]

YOU DIDN'T READ WHAT I SAID? :confused::confused::confused:

BUT NEITHER MY TEACHER NOR YOUR TEACHER OR ANY OTHER TEACHER FOR THAT MATTER CAN TEACH ME MORE ABOUT ROOTING THAN WHAT LIFE TAUGHT ME ABOUT IT. I THINK I HAVE A ONE UP ON YOU THERE.

From what I've read, you hold SD below Steve Urkle (which is fine by me). Your comments that you "think you have one up on me" pretty much sums that up.

[Judge Pen]

it is not about the legitimacy of your lineage. it is about the criminality of your lineage and the insult against real shaolin kung fu.

are you comparing sin the or yourself to musashi?

Not Sin The. He has lied so much I don't know what he knows or doesn't know. The analogy with Musashi is that lineage can be over-rated. Hence the part (and I'll bold it since it might be difficult for a faker to read "I'm no Musashi".

[hskwarrior]

I don't doubt it. I've seen you move. I'm not criticizing your ability. I can tell you hit like a Mack truck. I've said that before.

whether or not i could kick mike tysons ass, i don't go around saying i can. what i will say and do say is......"win or lose, you won't just KICK MY ASS. you will never want to fight me again"

i will say this, in my recent past, there was an incident where i was going to do some very terrible things to someone who threatened my life and one of my students lives. i started training hard just to go handle this person. in the midst of my training my students asked me to let it go because they were afraid i would kill this person with one strike based how i hit them with gear on.

no one should brag or say they will kick everyones ass. i don't. i just know i won't make it easy for anyone to do that.

[Judge Pen]

musashi is an undefeated killer. sin the is a college dropout fraudster.

When it has counted I'm undefeated.

[bawang]

Not Sin The. He has lied so much I don't know what he knows or doesn't know. The analogy with Musashi is that lineage can be over-rated. Hence the part (and I'll bold it since it might be difficult for a faker to read [B]"I'm no Musashi"[/B.

lineage doesnt matter, until you start claiming ties to the most influential, powerful, famous center of chinese elite infantry, preserver of chinese martial arts, preserver of chinese culture and arts and medicine, birthplace of chan buddhism, shaolin temple.

[hskwarrior]

From what I've read, you hold SD below Steve Urkle (which is fine by me). Your comments that you "think you have one up on me" pretty much sums that up.

to be honest, no one knows how i truly feel about SD. all i've clearly demonstrated is my disgust for what they did by boosting our form. other than that, i tease you guys for wearing gi's. cause you let me.

[Judge Pen]

whether or not i could kick mike tysons ass, i don't go around saying i can. what i will say and do say is......"win or lose, you won't just KICK MY ASS. you will never want to fight me again"

i will say this, in my recent past, there was an incident where i was going to do some very terrible things to someone who threatened my life and one of my students lives. i started training hard just to go handle this person. in the midst of my training my students asked me to let it go because they were afraid i would kill this person with one strike based how i hit them with gear on.

no one should brag or say they will kick everyones ass. i don't. i just know i won't make it easy for anyone to do that.

I can respect this. I haven't fought in a lot of competitions, but when I have I was always the guy you didn't want to fight. Win or lose, you felt it and you didn't want to face me again. There are non-SD people here that will vouch for that.

[bawang]

I can respect this. I haven't fought in a lot of competitions, but when I have I was always the guy you didn't want to fight. Win or lose, you felt it and you didn't want to face me again. There are non-SD people here that will vouch for that.

chinese martial art also includes the transmission of non tangible culture. this thread was about the authenticity of the cultural transmission of shaolin do.

kung fu is incomplete without the spiritual aspect.

[Judge Pen]

lineage doesnt matter, until you start claiming ties to the most influential, powerful, famous center of chinese elite infantry, preserver of chinese martial arts, preserver of chinese culture and arts and medicine, birthplace of chan buddhism, shaolin temple.

And when we acknowledge that this is fabricated, you don't give us a break. (Even if we are honest with who we are though you are too chicken **** to do the same).

[bawang]

And when we acknowledge that this is fabricated, you don't give us a break. .
you are still trying to justify your experience in shaolin do. and you are trying to downplay it.

[Judge Pen]

chinese martial art also includes the transmission of non tangible culture. this thread was about the authenticity of the cultural transmission of shaolin do.

kung fu is incomplete without the spiritual aspect.

No. This thread is "Is Shaolin-do for real?" It is real even if it is not real Shaolin Kung Fu. If you really believe that kung fu is incomplete without the spiritual aspect, then why do you continuously show no spirituality when you post? Hell, you can't even acknowledge who you really are.

[hskwarrior]

The spiritual aspect of life or gung fu is only meant for those who experienced spirituality.

[Judge Pen]

you are still trying to justify your experience in shaolin do. and you are trying to downplay it.

My experiences are real even if the lineage is fake. Is this too much for your mind to accept?

[Judge Pen]

The spiritual aspect of life or gung fu is only meant for those who experienced spirituality.

And who are you to judge my spirituality? I am not judging yours.

[bawang]

No. This thread is "Is Shaolin-do for real?" It is real even if it is not real Shaolin Kung Fu.

kung fu is valuable because of cultural value. there are better modern martial arts. if your hisotry and culture is fake, then everything else is meaningless.



If you really believe that kung fu is incomplete without the spiritual aspect, then why do you continuously show no spirituality when you post?
i am showing spirituality right now. chinese martial spirituality is about defeating evil through violence and aggression.

Hell, you can't even acknowledge who you really are.
i just told you who i am. are you senile?


My experiences are real even if the lineage is fake. Is this too much for your mind to accept?

if your lineage is fake, your experience is fake.

[Judge Pen]

kung fu is valuable because of cultural value. there are better modern martial arts. if your hisotry and culture is fake, then everything else is meaningless.

Nothing is meaningless. Does it work for me? If so it has value even if you fail or refuse to recognize it.

[Judge Pen]

kung fu is valuable because of cultural value. there are better modern martial arts. if your hisotry and culture is fake, then everything else is meaningless.


i am showing spirituality right now. chinese martial spirituality is about defeating evil through violence and aggression.

i just told you who i am. are you senile?




You lie. Where do you live? Who is your sifu? Where can I sit in on your class?
If you think that I am evil, then you are delusional.

[bawang]

it has no meaning, real cultural, emotional, mental, spiritual connection to chinese culture and chinese people.


You lie. Where do you live? Who is your sifu? Where can I sit in on your class?


im in canada. i live in an indian guys basement. my sifu was an illegal immigrant at ymca called john. i dont know his last name. i also learned some hung kuen from some guy called robin young. is there a problem officer?



If you think that I am evil, then you are delusional.

by chinese martial morality and spirituality, wu de, shaolin do is evil. and whatever seed from it is evil.

[Judge Pen]

it has no meaning, real cultural, emotional, mental, spiritual connection to chinese culture and chinese people.

I didn't claim connection to the chinese culture or people. My experiences are my own. Beyond that, I cannot comment. For you to deny that is to speak of things which you do not know. From a coward these criticisms mean nothing.

[Judge Pen]

it has no meaning, real cultural, emotional, mental, spiritual connection to chinese culture and chinese people.



im in canada. i live in an indian guys basement. my sifu was an illegal immigrant at ymca called john. i dont know his last name. i also learned some hung kuen from some guy called robin young. is there a problem officer?



by chinese martial morality and spirituality, wu de, shaolin do is evil. and whatever seed from it is evil.

More bull****. If this is true, your lineage is no more real than mine. By your reasoning, you are the evil one. Do the right thing.

[bawang]

I didn't claim connection to the chinese culture or people. My experiences are my own.

i claim connection to the chinese culture and people. and my chinese kung fu experience is my own. and by my culture you are the seed of an evil force.


More bull****. If this is true, your lineage is no more real than mine. By your reasoning, you are the evil one. Do the right thing.

lol bro, all the stuff i learned is legit kung fu, from legit teachers. i never pranced around in a gi.

i dont HAVE a lineage. i dont promote anything. i dont teach.

[Judge Pen]

i claim connection to the chinese culture and people. and my chinese kung fu experience is my own. and by my culture you are the seed of an evil force.

If you were a real person, you would have the balls to do something about it. But you are not. You are the persona of someone else that is too chicken **** to own their own thoughts.

[bawang]

If you were a real person, you would have the balls to do something about it. But you are not. You are the persona of someone else that is too chicken **** to own their own thoughts.

i am doing something about it. i am confronting your evil force in a mental, spiritual battle.

[Judge Pen]

i claim connection to the chinese culture and people. and my chinese kung fu experience is my own. and by my culture you are the seed of an evil force.



lol bro, all the stuff i learned is legit kung fu, from legit teachers. i never pranced around in a gi.

i dont HAVE a lineage. i dont promote anything. i dont teach.

John the illegal immagrant at the ymca and some young guy named robin young?

[hskwarrior]

and who are you to judge my spirituality? I am not judging yours.

can someone say bi-polar hahahaha

spirituality isn't just about you loving god. So, if you have spirituality, what is your opinion about psychic people, seeing aura's, seeing spirits and so on?

Is it evil to be psychic?

Does it make me evil because i have psychic ability?

Where do we go after we die? Whats the next level of the game?


John the illegal immagrant at the ymca and some young guy named robin young?

DO YOU STAND OUT ON THE STREET WITH YOUR PICKET SIGNS ABOUT LATIN IMMIGRANTS WHO MAY HAVE COME HERE ILLEGALLY AFTER WE STOLE IT FROM THEM?

[Judge Pen]

i am doing something about it. i am confronting your evil force in a mental, spiritual battle.

But if you are unwilling to own up as to who you really are, then you are an unarmed fraud (no better than the Sin The that you hate so much. In fact, Sin The is better than you because he uses his real name to spout his bull****).

[bawang]

John the illegal immagrant at the ymca and some young guy named robin young?

thats right. problem?


But if you are unwilling to own up as to who you really are, then you are an unarmed fraud.

but i told you who i am, bro.

[Judge Pen]

can someone say bi-polar hahahaha

spirituality isn't just about you loving god. So, if you have spirituality, what is your opinion about psychic people, seeing aura's, seeing spirits and so on?

Is it evil to be psychic?

Does it make me evil because i have psychic ability?

Where do we go after we die? Whats the next level of the game?



DO YOU STAND OUT ON THE STREET WITH YOUR PICKET SIGNS ABOUT LATIN IMMIGRANTS WHO MAY HAVE COME HERE ILLEGALLY AFTER WE STOLE IT FROM THEM?

No, it is not evil. It is unspiritual to judge somone when you do not, or refuse to, recognize their experience. Again, you make assumptions about me that are not true.

[bawang]

No, it is not evil. It is unspiritual to judge somone when you do not, or refuse to, recognize their experience. Again, you make assumptions about me that are not true.

its not unspiritual, its unchristian. i dont follow white jesus. i follow chinese jesus.

[Judge Pen]

thats right. problem?



but i told you who i am, bro.

Steve Johnson or John Smith? Bull****!

[tattooedmonk]

This was a funeral for one of the best men I ever knew who died in a tragic accident at the age of 34. Those that were asked to be his pallbearers were asked to wear their gi by his widow. This man didn't talk about hairy monks of shaolin fairy-tales: He taught martial arts. We sweated and bled in an old elementary school gymnasium with no air conditioning for $20 a month (to cover his insurance: He did not earn a dime from his teaching). He taught me, an arrogant teenage kid, several life lessons of honor, humility and respect. Lessons I try to apply in my everyday life (including trying to rationally respond to many of the posts here that others rant about). It looks like many of you need to learn these lessons yourself.All due respect ...I am sorry for your loss ...and having to deal with this trash.

I learned all these things too. My Instructors didnt focus in on all that crap either.

these are things obviously they didnt learn...probably beause they havent attended any classes and spend all their time here talking cr@p behind a computer.....cowards

[bawang]

Steve Johnson or John Smith? Bull****!

i told you bro, my name is dezi.

why u mad bro


All due respect ...I am sorry for your loss ...and having to deal with this trash.


funny words from kentucky hillbilly

[tattooedmonk]

But if you are unwilling to own up as to who you really are, then you are an unarmed fraud (no better than the Sin The that you hate so much. In fact, Sin The is better than you because he uses his real name to spout his bull****).

can i like this?? thumbs up...!!

[hskwarrior]

no, it is not evil. It is unspiritual to judge somone when you do not, or refuse to, recognize their experience. Again, you make assumptions about me that are not true.

maybe its my age and i'm going senile. Can you post what assumptions i made. Just cut and paste like any other time.

I thought i was asking you questions.

So question. Not an assumption. What is your take on what happened to me? One day i was going to the cemetary to drop off some roses for my girlfriend who's friend had committed suicide. I never met this girl in my life before. Didn't know what she looked like.

Then that day i was watching this film in my mind of this blond female thanking me personally for bringing the flowers to her. When i saw her actual picture my heart stopped.....literally. Because the girl in the pic was the same one in my vision. So, for me, this is proof that although our earth vehicles may die, we never do.

[hskwarrior]

All due respect ...I am sorry for your loss ...and having to deal with this trash.

I learned all these things too. My Instructors didnt focus in on all that crap either.

these are things obviously they didnt learn...probably beause they havent attended any classes and spend all their time here talking cr@p behind a computer.....cowards

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/shut-the-****-up-*****-4.png

[Judge Pen]

All due respect ...I am sorry for your loss ...and having to deal with this trash.

I learned all these things too. My Instructors didnt focus in on all that crap either.

these are things obviously they didnt learn...probably beause they havent attended any classes and spend all their time here talking cr@p behind a computer.....cowards

Thank-you. Like I said, it looks like many people here need to learn about humility, honor and respect.

[bawang]

Thank-you. Like I said, it looks like many people here need to learn about humility, honor and respect.

humility and respect is for your black slaves. chinese martial arts is about defeating evil with stern forceful justice.

[Judge Pen]

maybe its my age and i'm going senile. Can you post what assumptions i made. Just cut and paste like any other time.

I thought i was asking you questions.

So question. Not an assumption. What is your take on what happened to me? One day i was going to the cemetary to drop off some roses for my girlfriend who's friend had committed suicide. I never met this girl in my life before. Didn't know what she looked like.

Then that day i was watching this film in my mind of this blond female thanking me personally for bringing the flowers to her. When i saw her actual picture my heart stopped.....literally. Because the girl in the pic was the same one in my vision. So, for me, this is proof that although our earth vehicles may die, we never do.

I don't know what to think of this experience, but I can't discount what you say. I think this world, and the spiritual aspects of it, are too big and infinate for a finate mind to understand.

[bawang]

I don't know what to think of this experience, but I can't discount what you say. I think this world, and the spiritual aspects of it, are too big and infinate for a finate mind to understand.

you have glowing light inside you called spirit. when you die your spirit fly out and become ghost. if you cant even understand this how can you say you have spirituality?

obviously the ghost of the woman was sleeping at her grave and when frakn walked by she made frank pay respect.

[Judge Pen]

humility and respect is for your black slaves. chinese martial arts is about defeating evil with stern forceful justice.

Sounds like you have avoidance issues to me. All marital arts are about bending the will of your opponent. Good or evil is just the perspective. Are you naive enough to think that good has always triumphed? And all of this coming from a person who plays games and doesn't own up to their real persona.

[Judge Pen]

you have glowing light inside you called spirit. when you die your spirit fly out and become ghost. if you cant even understand this how can you say you have spirituality?

Belief and knowledge are seperate. The infinate is impossible to understand while traped in a finate body. Admitting that you do not know something is the opposite of ignorance. It is the begining of all knowledge.

[bawang]

i told you my real persona three times, bro. do you have alzheimers?


Sounds like you have avoidance issues to me. All marital arts are about bending the will of your opponent.

looks like sin the has bent your will.

[hskwarrior]

All due respect ...I am sorry for your loss ...and having to deal with this trash.

I learned all these things too. My Instructors didnt focus in on all that crap either.

these are things obviously they didnt learn...probably beause they havent attended any classes and spend all their time here talking cr@p behind a computer.....cowards


http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24262482.jpg

[Judge Pen]

i told you my real persona three times, bro. do you have alzheimers?

No, I have a low tolerance for bull****. I have dealt with enough in my time with SD, and I won't put up with anymore.

[bawang]

looks like you cant accept the simple truth. it has to be some kind of complicated twisting and winding story for you to take seriously, because sin the so warped and conditioned your mind.

[MasterKiller]

The first comment by Masterkiller regarding the funeral photo could be overlooked as a knee jerk reaction to something unfamiliar but the continuing comments are insensitive and uncalled for.

I was proud to have also known this man.

I don't think your comments would have bothered him much but they offend the hell out of me.

If there is a man among you he will step up and remove these posts.

I deleted my posts. My initial impression was that the Gis were disrespectful attire for a funeral, especially for someone you honored in life. But I see that wearing them probably honored him more than a suit and tie ever could.

Again, my apologies for the misstep.

[hskwarrior]

I don't know what to think of this experience, but I can't discount what you say. I think this world, and the spiritual aspects of it, are too big and infinate for a finate mind to understand.

like i said. some people who can understand what i'm saying are the ones who have experienced it.

have you ever witnessed someone's aura first hand, colors and all?

have you seen a ghost?

i mean i can go on for days with what i experience spiritually. i'm no longer attached to any religion and will never be. but the spiritual side of life is something only the experienced can speak on.

[Judge Pen]

looks like you cant accept the simple truth. it has to be some kind of complicated twisting and winding story for you to take seriously, because sin the so warped and conditioned your mind.

Nope. I know who HSK is, I know who Oso is, I know who yu shan is, I know who MasterKiller is, I know who 90% of this forum really is, and you are someone else that wants to talk **** without owning up to it. You make stuff up to hide who you really are so you can say things that you are too scared to say and own. You know kung fu, that's for certain, but you are nothing more than a internet coward. You can be cute and make lots of witty comments, but you can't escape that simple truth.

[Judge Pen]

like i said. some people who can understand what i'm saying are the ones who have experienced it.

have you ever witnessed someone's aura first hand, colors and all?

have you seen a ghost?

i mean i can go on for days with what i experience spiritually. i'm no longer attached to any religion and will never be. but the spiritual side of life is something only the experienced can speak on.

Yes and yes. Can I explain all I've experienced? No.

[bawang]

Nope. I know who HSK is, I know who Oso is, I know who yu shan is, I know who MasterKiller is, I know who 90% of this forum really is, and you are someone else that wants to talk **** without owning up to it. You make stuff up to hide who you really are so you can say things that you are too scared to say and own. You know kung fu, that's for certain, but you are nothing more than a internet coward. You can be cute and make lots of witty comments, but you can't escape that simple truth.

i just told you. i learned kung fu from some guy in ymca. how is that so much harder to believe than your chewbacca sensei?

[Judge Pen]

i just told you. i learned kung fu from some guy in ymca. how is that so much harder to believe than your chewbacca sensei?

I believe that you learned form some guy in the ymca as much as I believe in a chewbacca sensei.

[bawang]

wat do u have against ymca

[hskwarrior]

I believe that you learned form some guy in the ymca as much as I believe in a chewbacca sensei.

TATTTOED PUNK....I FOUND A PIC OF OF YOUR SISOOK....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-smqtX-dp3M0/TxSPiZpyaXI/AAAAAAAAADE/DRkAPb65nYc/s1600/hansolo.jpg

[bawang]

their position now is

"ok sin the is a liar and fraud, but what i experienced in shaolin do is still magical, shaolin do is still for real"

or

"shaolin is fake, but im super duper elite badass warrior fighter. so what?"

[hskwarrior]

As a sifu myself, i can't lie, i find it utterly disrespectful for people to claim to be kung fu and carry the title of "sensei". These people continue to wonder why we see them as karate more than kung fu anyday.

[hskwarrior]

I am surprised at his patience with you, hskwarrior. I wish I shared that ability. I do not. Personally, if I ever did meet you I would want to beat you within an inch of your life.

CHRIS MEESE, WHEN YOU ARE READY, LET ME KNOW. BETWEEN YOU AND ME, I SAY YOU'RE BULLSH1TTIN' ME.

I KNOW ALL TOO WELL THE IDEA OF WANTING TO DO SOMETHING, BUT UNABLE TO ACTUALLY DO IT. i WANTED TO RUN SO BAD AFTER MY ACCIDENT BUT COULDN'T DO IT.

YOU ACTUALLY BEATING ME TO AN INCH OF MY LIFE, YOU'LL BE FEELING THAT EXACT SAME FEELING. THIS I PROMISE YOU.

SO COME GET IT WHEN YOU WANT IT.

-FRANK.

[Syn7]

If you think I have any affinity toward Sin The, then you have failed to pay attention or read my posts. The man lied to his student or under oath. Either act is unforgivable. He lied to my teachers too. I respect the lessons that they taught me, and how they taught me to apply an art that isn't what it claimed to be. I have lost all respect for Sin The and do not believe anything he says now.

Lying under oath is fine. The law isn't always about right and wrong and justice is VERY subjective. I've beaten charges by lying my ass off and I dont regret it at all. But lying to students is weak.

[Syn7]

No. This thread is "Is Shaolin-do for real?" It is real even if it is not real Shaolin Kung Fu. If you really believe that kung fu is incomplete without the spiritual aspect, then why do you continuously show no spirituality when you post? Hell, you can't even acknowledge who you really are.

LOL, that was a lawyers answer and you know it JP. :D


We all know what was meant by the comment "is SD for real?"

Also, you must have a narrow view of spirituality if you assume it means you have to be nice. Some spiritual beliefs have people sacrificing virgins.

In wombat combat I heard they sacrifice virgins then paint themselves with blood from the hymen and eat the womb to bask in their innocent Chi!!!

[Syn7]

maybe its my age and i'm going senile. Can you post what assumptions i made. Just cut and paste like any other time.

I thought i was asking you questions.

So question. Not an assumption. What is your take on what happened to me? One day i was going to the cemetary to drop off some roses for my girlfriend who's friend had committed suicide. I never met this girl in my life before. Didn't know what she looked like.

Then that day i was watching this film in my mind of this blond female thanking me personally for bringing the flowers to her. When i saw her actual picture my heart stopped.....literally. Because the girl in the pic was the same one in my vision. So, for me, this is proof that although our earth vehicles may die, we never do.

How do you know that the connections weren't made after the fact. Or maybe you saw a pic and just didn't consciously realize it. Our minds process time with linear thought, but in reality this linear time does not exist. I question any psychic who bases their belief on personal experience and can't show anyone. That being said, I have convinced people I was psychic. I'm not. I'm just observant. Probe, validate, probe, probe, validate. It's actually really easy.

[hskwarrior]

Syn,

i'm not a psychic like Ms. Cleo psychic. I can't read for anyone. i've given advice based on my gut feelings and more often was correct but never "AS A PSYCHIC".

now, the thing's i've personally experienced is described by the psychic community as "psychic experiences". but again ms or mr cleo i am not.

I have had many experiences over my life time. my newest one, and isn't some retna detachment or anything, but for the last few years i've been seeing dots, small and large flashes of colored it. there isn't anything wrong with my eyes. i'm discovering this is happening to many people around the world. learning what its all about is fun.

to make it short, i've experienced too much to stunt it with science. science cannot explain some of those things i've experienced.

im also with you on being skeptical about psychics. i know i am. the only one i trust it my aunt. she has done readings for me and has never failed. even down to the car accident she predicted.

as i've mentioned, sometimes there is just "I KNOW WHAT I EXPERIENCED" AND WE LEAVE IT AT THAT.

[Syn7]

as i've mentioned, sometimes there is just "I KNOW WHAT I EXPERIENCED" AND WE LEAVE IT AT THAT.

Prolly for the best ;) But then SD could say the same thing about the effectiveness of their style and any spiritual connection they have found therein. That's just not how I roll. Any epiphany I may have will be demonstrable.

When I was younger I believed in stuff like that. My spirituality is amoral and it is all physics. I used to read all these old texts and started seeing parallels all over the place and it led me to a more fluid and modern way of thinking. If there was a god, there would be a mathematical formula to describe it's nature. We'd just have to find it. Math is language of the gods.

One thing I am sure of tho, there is much we do not know, and anything is possible, literally. Maybe not here, but somewhere. It's a big multiverse. And I'll leave it at that.

[Judge Pen]

Lying under oath is fine. The law isn't always about right and wrong and justice is VERY subjective. I've beaten charges by lying my ass off and I dont regret it at all. But lying to students is weak.

I disagree that lying under oath is ok, but many people share your belief. I make a living pointing out lies under oath. but to me if Sin The lied under oath to protect a copyright, then he would not only have a right to that protection, but he would know it. Lying to protect your little corner of the market is not justified in my opinion. I'm not a Kantist; I don't believe you have to follow the categorical imperative at all costs and there may be circumstances where telling a lie serves a bigger truth, but I can't see this circumstance as one of them.

[Judge Pen]

LOL, that was a lawyers answer and you know it JP.


We all know what was meant by the comment "is SD for real?"

Also, you must have a narrow view of spirituality if you assume it means you have to be nice. Some spiritual beliefs have people sacrificing virgins.

In wombat combat I heard they sacrifice virgins then paint themselves with blood from the hymen and eat the womb to bask in their innocent Chi!!!

Seeing as I now know that you have no qualms lying under oath to serve your subjective purposes, I understand your attitude toward lawyers. :D

And my view of spirituality isn't as narrow as you assume. I simply admit that there are some things that go beyond our ability to comprehend. Perhaps the belief of sacrificing virgins is one of those things, but I think that is more justifying your own sadism in the name of spirituality.

"We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds in the name of destiny and in the name of god."

[Syn7]

I should clarify that I meant under oath in a court of law. Breaking promises or lying to your friends or fam is weak.

Of course there are times when I think it's wrong to lie in court. But there are times when it is right. Like if you get charged for defending yourself. Or for smoking a joint. **** that, what joint?

I have no issue with paying for my actions. Consequences are important. But I will not be held accountable and punished for something that I believe is not a crime. I will subvert till I die in that respect. Infact I have taken to a particular field in electronics based on subversion. As a hobby that is. For the monies you have to build trinkets for the masses, or create some handy new device. Workin on it. Making an RF jammer right now. I won't use it, but it's nice to know I have one and can make more anytime I want. In an RFID world, this is golden.

[Syn7]

Seeing as I now know that you have no qualms lying under oath to serve your subjective purposes, I understand your attitude toward lawyers. :D

And my view of spirituality isn't as narrow as you assume. I simply admit that there are some things that go beyond our ability to comprehend. Perhaps the belief of sacrificing virgins is one of those things, but I think that is more justifying your own sadism in the name of spirituality.

"We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds in the name of destiny and in the name of god."

I don't assume you have a narrow view, I was just making a point. I'm theatrical like that.


Also, you must have a narrow view of spirituality if you assume it means you have to be nice.

I love lawyers, you kidding? Speaking of assumptions :o

I only work with female lawyers, they really know how to go for the jugular. It's a temperament thing.

[Judge Pen]

I don't assume you have a narrow view, I was just making a point. I'm theatrical like that.

I love lawyers, you kidding? Speaking of assumptions :o

I only work with female lawyers, they really know how to go for the jugular. It's a temperament thing.

LOL. Ok. Fair enough. What do you do for a living?

[Syn7]

I'm an electrician but I'm working on a masters in electronic engineering. I started late tho, so I'm not gonna be done for a while. I wish I hadn't even bothered with being an electrician. A retarded monkey could wire a house. I lost interest real quick. When the learning curve leveled off, I felt empty doing that. I am a very intellectually curious person and I realized I needed to be in a field that was expanding exponentially every single minute of every single day. I am very committed to the open source movement and I see patents as being a thing of the past. The internet may be the largest experiment in chaos in human history, but it has taught us that we can excel in a collaborative fashion in a way never seen before. Old money is losing this fight, innovators are, once again, about to run things.

[Empty_Cup]

I deleted my posts. My initial impression was that the Gis were disrespectful attire for a funeral, especially for someone you honored in life. But I see that wearing them probably honored him more than a suit and tie ever could.

Again, my apologies for the misstep.

This is respectable. For what it's worth I deleted my post calling you "lower than low."

[Judge Pen]

I deleted my posts. My initial impression was that the Gis were disrespectful attire for a funeral, especially for someone you honored in life. But I see that wearing them probably honored him more than a suit and tie ever could.

Again, my apologies for the misstep.

No worries, MK. Thank-you for your apology.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I disagree that lying under oath is ok, but many people share your belief. I make a living pointing out lies under oath. but to me if Sin The lied under oath to protect a copyright, then he would not only have a right to that protection, but he would know it. Lying to protect your little corner of the market is not justified in my opinion. I'm not a Kantist; I don't believe you have to follow the categorical imperative at all costs and there may be circumstances where telling a lie serves a bigger truth, but I can't see this circumstance as one of them.

What specifically do you see as his greatest fault in that deposition? There are several points at which he is caught in a conundrum, from my recollection:

1) His "humility" defense for not admitting to making-up some 40 forms, when he also notes elsehwere in the questioning that the the "Shaolin" packaging was good for business.

2) The pretty big possibility that he lied about making up some forms (for purposes of copyright) that he did not, in fact, make up. Until the copyright tape is made public, we won't know how severe this is.


For the record, he demonstrated more humility by simply denying many of the claims that others have attributed to him (or he attributed to himself---hard to say) about the art, about its inheritance, about his own skills, and his memorization of 900 forms, which he admits to not being able to remember (which is no surprise to anyone here).

Just curious what a lawyer might say.;)

[David Jamieson]

This thread should be called "The feces throwing thread - join in and get ready to fling!"

I mean...come on. lol, just ridiculous.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Here's what I think about the thing.

GM Sin has several thousand students in the US, many of whom have dedicated much time, effort, and skill to martial arts. He has represented the art as something he knows that it is not, capitalizing at times on the ancient Shaolin reputation when he had no reason to do so. I do believe that he trained in a variant of Shaolin in Indonesia, but it is now difficult to tell where the truth and fiction stand---at least insofar as Sin The' himself can attest to them.

He blended his own personal history with reality--as the defendant's lawyer made quite clear during the questioning about GGM Ie and his complete independence of "Shaolin-Do." He also noted that "Shaolin-Do" and Shaolin Kung Fu are completely separate, but did not outline the separation point within SD (what was created, and what was original). GM Sin was honest about some details, but very vague concerning others.

If you had thousands of students, and some very skilled ones had dedicated something upwards of 20-30 years, or more, would they not have proven that they were entitled to something like the unmitigated truth about the art? And if you knew that some of your senior students were spinning yarns about you, wouldn't you cut in with a dose of humility by PROVIDING MORE ACCURATE DETAILS ABOUT YOUR REAL ORIGINS?

Respect is a two-way street. It is very hard to respect someone who does not take the time to respect you when you offer nothing but diligence, hard work, and kindness. Think about how many hours you yourselves (SD practitioners) have probably put into the art---both on the floor, at home, and just thinking about it). This is my greatest beef with the art itself. The rest has been so much fun and I have learned so much that is valuable that I continue to offer diligence, hard work, and (sometimes) kindness. I value what challenges me. I would like to respect its originator to offer him my thanks, but find that I have trouble doing so.

A man wants to be proud of what he does. But if you meet someone and he asks, what kind of martial arts do you do, all I offer is "kung-fu." I'd rather not go down that street. If they know a llittle more about kung-fu and get into specifics, I no longer have confidence that Shangtung Black Tiger is actually Shangtung Black Tiger, or that the Fujian White Crane is actually Fujian White Crane----so it's just Black Tiger and White Crane. I'd also like to know for sure which ones he made-up, and which ones he didn't. And if he did make some up, I'd like to know how and what sources he used (I don't want an apology--I'd just like info). I already have a pretty clear idea of which ones he didn't make-up (they flow differently). I also have an idea of how (i.e., in Jie QUan he substituted sequences from the short forms [which we know that he created himself] for sequences that he couldn't recall). I'd like to be a little more confident in providing answers.


That's my primary beef.

[OldandUsed]

That is very accurate, David. This one has really gone downhill.

You know, I was a SD-er for over 30 years. I also practiced Kodokan Judu, Jujitsu and Byakuren for years. Never really cared what title was hung on it, just loved doing it. Wrestled through high school and college. Some of the coaches were good, some not. But I still worked at it. The same for martial arts. I do not care for what you call it, how you package it or what the lineage is. if you have your technique down and can give me something that I can use, I will be there.

Some of the things I picked up over the years in practicing martial arts were discipline, endurance, self appreciation for completing a difficult task and the ability to accept someone, even if I did not agree with them or care for their lifestyle. It is not for me to judge. There has been a lot of harsh words about Sin The' and his actions. Yes, I am disappointed in what he has done, but he does not answer to me. The ones crying about him taking material that came from their system need to get over it or go whip his butt. Period. The students that were misled had nothing to do with it. Go to the source, for your revenge.

One thing I can say as a retired soldier and a retired police officer, there are a lot of bad guys that I met during my work that found out that that SD stuff is not too bad in a real deal, if you lose you die kind of fight. To the haters and non-believers, hey, I would not cross the street to talk with your sorry butt. But if you got up in my face, well, then maybe you will just have to learn why you are really afraid of the dark. I really do not care if you believe or like it. I do not answer to you and would not **** on your grave. I think all the crap being tossed around here is bad and I am done with this stuff.

[wenshu]

If you don't accept those premises, I think it's safe to say that you believe in an unmoved mover, correct? A subject that acts independent of all action, and might in fact be performing all actions?

The only converse you can take is that if there is a form of action, you must assume a prior cause.


Only if you accept the underlying assumption that cause and effect exist in the first place.



BTW--neither an idealist nor a Hegelian. Contrary to what you may have learned in college, Kant was not an idealist. Hegel was. He may have built upon Kant, but what he introduced was error, not "advancement." Kant was on the right path himself, but veered into some zany asides. Again---it's not either "all right" or "all wrong."

If you reject "axioms" and pursue temporary rearguard actions in reason, then you're...well...a mystic, or a fool.

I didn't tell you what I accept nor did I say either Hegel or Kunt were subjective idealists (I would say they are Platonic Idealists, to coin a phrase). What you're misconstruing in my words is in fact your own meandering intellectual fatuousness.

I was simply pointing out the ineptitude in trying to bully your way through an argument with a random mess of passages lifted wholesale from the synopses of philosophy textbooks. Mismatched references to Continental thought may convince your students that you aren't woefully out of your depth; here it is painfully obvious that you're going to have to try harder than that.

How's this for a thought experiment, Ace.

When you drive your pregnant wife to the hospital to give birth to your child, will your judgement of the safety of the car you drive as measured by the competency of the structural engineer who calculated the yield graphs for the material components of the chassis be mitigated by your stance on empiricism?

Or the ob-gyn who delivers the baby? Will you argue against his/her medical expertise to safeguard the life of mother and child because his empirical knowledge is not sufficiently self evident in the movements of the thesis, synthesis and antithesis of consciousness?



If you want evidence, you have to meet me, I wager. And if I toss you around and armbar or triangle you, you'd just say---Wookie, you don't represent SD. You have other training. Or if I post a good video--same result. Short of a personal meeting, you don't really care. It's just he said she said. This thread is mostly about knocking what we know is not true out of the SD canon. The best thing we can do is chip away at the block.

Page after useless page of tough guy posturing and fatuous intellectual narcissism and you guys still can't just post some content of some ****ing basics.

[wenshu]

If you want evidence, you have to meet me, I wager. And if I toss you around and armbar or triangle you, you'd just say---Wookie, you don't represent SD.

Assuming that I don't pick you up and drop you on your neck first you tellingly presume what my reaction would be if you submitted me with BJJ.

So you basically admit before hand, apropos of nothing, that you wouldn't even employ Shaolin Do. How does this help your argument?

[Shaolin Wookie]

Assuming that I don't pick you up and drop you on your neck first you tellingly presume what my reaction would be if you submitted me with BJJ.

So you basically admit before hand, apropos of nothing, that you wouldn't even employ Shaolin Do. How does this help your argument?

If u know in advance what a man specializes in, you know where your best odds are. Based on our exchanges earlier, I know what takedowns would be high percentage. And I did learn many takedowns and submissions in Sd, including arm bars. But since few practices them , I had to get more training elsewhere.

It's a boring conversation anyways. For the sake of sanity, u win

[Judge Pen]

What specifically do you see as his greatest fault in that deposition? There are several points at which he is caught in a conundrum, from my recollection:

1) His "humility" defense for not admitting to making-up some 40 forms, when he also notes elsehwere in the questioning that the the "Shaolin" packaging was good for business.

2) The pretty big possibility that he lied about making up some forms (for purposes of copyright) that he did not, in fact, make up. Until the copyright tape is made public, we won't know how severe this is.


For the record, he demonstrated more humility by simply denying many of the claims that others have attributed to him (or he attributed to himself---hard to say) about the art, about its inheritance, about his own skills, and his memorization of 900 forms, which he admits to not being able to remember (which is no surprise to anyone here).

Just curious what a lawyer might say.;)

There's a saying that if you give a man enough rope he will hang himself. That's what happened in Sin The's deposition. Party depositions are as much about establishing credibility (or learning how one's credibility can be attacked) as it is getting the baseline of what you can or can't later testify to on the record. It is very differant than the examinations in court (which is what most people see depicted in media). I'm sure his lawyer prepped him on how to respond to many of these questions regarding the claims of his skill. But the fact these, and other claims, have been repreated by him and his students for years created a gordian knot from which he can never untie. The best thing he could have done is not sue. Stay out of the public eye and enjoy the life he built until he dies. Why rock the boat, it's not like Jake Mace could really affect his income to a great degree.

[bawang]

The best thing he could have done is not sue. Stay out of the public eye and enjoy the life he built until he dies. Why rock the boat, it's not like Jake Mace could really affect his income to a great degree.

because sin the is a predator.

[Judge Pen]

because sin the is a predator.

I blame the lawyers.

[themeecer]

I blame the lawyers.

Yep, you can never trust those guys. :)

[wenshu]

If u know in advance what a man specializes in, you know where your best odds are. Based on our exchanges earlier, I know what takedowns would be high percentage. And I did learn many takedowns and submissions in Sd, including arm bars. But since few practices them , I had to get more training elsewhere.

It's a boring conversation anyways. For the sake of sanity, u win

Your defensive projection of overconfidence is almost as adorably quaint as the worldview that begins from the naive premise that all men are rational and act in their own best interest.

[Judge Pen]

Your defensive projection of overconfidence is almost as adorably quaint as the worldview that begins from the naive premise that all men are rational and act in their own best interest.

I prefer a Hobbseian explanation of human nature.

[kwaichang]

Man your Rambling is awesome how many books did you have to read to convince yourself that you know what the Hell your talking about? You use big words but they are empty and would better to be used where people care how smart you are or think you are. When your nose is smashed and bleeding how many big words can you use to describe it? Doesnt really matter in the "REAL" world does it. KC:rolleyes:

[Judge Pen]

Man your Rambling is awesome how many books did you have to read to convince yourself that you know what the Hell your talking about? You use big words but they are empty and would better to be used where people care how smart you are or think you are. When your nose is smashed and bleeding how many big words can you use to describe it? Doesnt really matter in the "REAL" world does it. KC:rolleyes:

I used to have these discussions all the time in college. Intellectual masturbation. There's value in understanding how "great thinkers" viewed and explained human nature and society, but in the end the only human nature that matters is your own.

[Empty_Cup]

...but in the end the only human nature that matters is your own.

Well, yours and the human nature of others that can impact your life.

[Judge Pen]

Well, yours and the human nature of others that can impact your life.

As much as I would like to, I cannot control the actions of others. I can only control my actions.

[kwaichang]

Human Nature no longer exists the Nature of man is ego based and has been manipulated by the world view of beauty and right and wrong. So i think that to discuss the Nature of man is self intellectal Masturbation as JP says. KC

[Empty_Cup]

As much as I would like to, I cannot control the actions of others. I can only control my actions.

Oh I see. If that was your point then I agree.

[Empty_Cup]

Human Nature no longer exists the Nature of man is ego based and has been manipulated by the world view of beauty and right and wrong. So i think that to discuss the Nature of man is self intellectal Masturbation as JP says. KC

Sounds like it really depends on how you define "human nature." As long as there is humankind, there will be human nature...

[Judge Pen]

I'm taking a break from this forum for a few days. I hope all have a Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy the time they have with their family and friends. Peace to all.

Ben Mullins

[OldandUsed]

Have a great Thanksgiving, Ben.

Frank Ulery

[wenshu]

Hmmm. The ***** doth protest too much, methinks.

If you want evidence, you have to meet me, I wager. And if I toss you around and armbar or triangle you, you'd just say---Wookie, you don't represent SD. You have other training. Or if I post a good video--same result. Short of a personal meeting, you don't really care. It's just he said she said. This thread is mostly about knocking what we know is not true out of the SD canon. The best thing we can do is chip away at the block.

I like how once you realized that you couldn't intimidate with the unattribibuted regurgitation of nonsense dialectics you immediately pivoted to "I'm gonna choke you out with my man taint, b1tch" bluster.

Your false bravado is as empty and hollow as your philosophical understanding.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Your defensive projection of overconfidence is almost as adorably quaint as the worldview that begins from the naive premise that all men are rational and act in their own best interest.

Lol. All men are rational, and they act in what they believe is in their best interests. But nobody has perfect foresight.

Btw.... I don't think knowledge from experience is irrelevant. I'm saying that if your experience contains logical fallacies, then you should check your argument. Not a dialectician myself.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I like how once you realized that you couldn't intimidate with the unattribibuted regurgitation of nonsense dialectics you immediately pivoted to "I'm gonna choke you out with my man taint, b1tch" bluster.

Your false bravado is as empty and hollow as your philosophical understanding.

Lol.... I don't suppose that the preaence of the conditional"if" might change your reading , right? Troll elsewhere.....or stay here dude. Nobody cares much. It wasn't a challenge. It was a hypothetical.

[Kellen Bassette]

Human Nature no longer exists the Nature of man is ego based and has been manipulated by the world view of beauty and right and wrong. So i think that to discuss the Nature of man is self intellectal Masturbation as JP says. KC

Human nature is alive and well. We adapt our baser instincts to fit into modern society, but they are certainly there and employed daily.

[Syn7]

Man your Rambling is awesome how many books did you have to read to convince yourself that you know what the Hell your talking about? You use big words but they are empty and would better to be used where people care how smart you are or think you are. When your nose is smashed and bleeding how many big words can you use to describe it? Doesnt really matter in the "REAL" world does it. KC:rolleyes:

To Wooks credit, at least he understood what wenshu was saying, even if he did get the sad end of that encounter. But you KC didn't understand any of it and simply saw "big words and rambling intellectual bull****". This is because you have the mind of a child. You don't do yourself any service by interjecting yourself into a conversation you aren't fundamentally able to understand. This is one of those examples where you need to just sit back and watch the big boys spar, champ!


kisses:D

[Syn7]

As much as I would like to, I cannot control the actions of others. I can only control my actions.

Sure you can. I'm sure you do it every day. We are doing it here, in this thread. We are all manipulative to some extent, some just more than others.

[kwaichang]

You know we all have our strengths and weaknesses, and the ability to use words in a confusing and intellectualized format does not mean some one is intellegent. I have been tested many times in life and in otherways and have always scored very high. In college I had a GPA of 3.975 out of a 4.0 I scored at the top of my class in the state boards. So I am not stupid nor am I dumb or Ignorant. I just choose to not care about throwing Pearls before the Swine. KC

[Syn7]

You know we all have our strengths and weaknesses, and the ability to use words in a confusing and intellectualized format does not mean some one is intellegent. I have been tested many times in life and in otherways and have always scored very high. In college I had a GPA of 3.975 out of a 4.0 I scored at the top of my class in the state boards. So I am not stupid nor am I dumb or Ignorant. I just choose to not care about throwing Pearls before the Swine. KC

Well that's the thing KC, none of it was really all that complicated. But thanx for making my point.

I'm sure there are things you are good at. We all have our areas where we excel. You simply aren't capable of dealing with these arguments put out to you. That much is clear.

You say you were top of your class, what was the program? Being top of your class is a very subjective thing. There are so many variables and without that info, your claim is meaningless.

I dropped out in Gr.9 and only went back later and did 9, 10, 11 and 12 in one year at in a self paced course. I don't really count that as learning, it was all open book, tests and all. So if you don't count trade school and what I'm doing now, I have a 9th grade education. And I can demolish you in any debate regardless of the position. Flip a coin, I'll tear you down. Obviously being the top of your class isn't enough for what we're doing here.

[kwaichang]

You are right Syn, none of it was complicated, anyone can quote others but few if any have an original thought, BTW my program was Physical Therapy, so I will be glad to debate anything that is not subjective in Nature much like Philosophy Psychology or religion, which seems to be what you excell at. That is because no one is right or wrong in those areas. But I tire of your Condecending attitude and pompous personality. You are like food critics or movie critics you think you are much smarter than all others so you rate something a certain way and say this is good or that is good and believe you are a God somehow. But you arent. and will never be. KC

[kwaichang]

I did not find the afore mentioned interacction to be confusing or Intellectual just Redundant. I was expressing others may have seen it, if you were that smart or that accomplished of a debater you would have known that. So if you train very hard you will probably become a Master debater but I am sure you are in other ways LOL. KC

[Syn7]

You are right Syn, none of it was complicated, anyone can quote others but few if any have an original thought, BTW my program was Physical Therapy, so I will be glad to debate anything that is not subjective in Nature much like Philosophy Psychology or religion, which seems to be what you excell at. That is because no one is right or wrong in those areas. But I tire of your Condecending attitude and pompous personality. You are like food critics or movie critics you think you are much smarter than all others so you rate something a certain way and say this is good or that is good and believe you are a God somehow. But you arent. and will never be. KC

Ok, well if you didn't find it complicated then you must have the ability to follow along. So why don't you give me a quick breakdown on what Wook and Wenshu were talking about? Is Wenshu an intellectual narcissist repeating other peoples ideas but Wook is not? Or are you saying that Wook is being a dick too? Can't have it both ways, son. In fact Wook even admitted that he tried to confuse the situation with "big words and ideas".

I deal in the subjective worlds of innovation in technology and physics and the objective worlds of innovation in technology and physics. :eek: You need a grasp of both(subjectivity/objectivity) if you want to excel. I can participate in theoretical physics or I can go build a robot, or a house or tower(building). Subjectivity brings practicality to the next level. You can't just separate objectivity and subjectivity like that. They are both necessary for progress.

I am not a god, I am god... Problem? That's not arrogance, it's physics. We are all one.

I'm not condescending to everyone all the time. Just when it suits my goals. I'm actually quite objective in my methodology and once again you are reacting to me even tho I stated my goals and you said you weren't gonna give me any more satisfaction. Yet here you are. Hhmmm. :rolleyes:

[Syn7]

I did not find the afore mentioned interacction to be confusing or Intellectual just Redundant. I was expressing others may have seen it, if you were that smart or that accomplished of a debater you would have known that. So if you train very hard you will probably become a Master debater but I am sure you are in other ways LOL. KC

Haha yeah I'm a masterdebater.:rolleyes:

Why are you slowly changing your vocab? Hmm.... Feeling left out?


Of course I saw the cul de sac in that lil exchange. Why do you think I just watched? I doubt either of them actually expected to sway the other. That being said, Wook laid it out and Wenshu brought it to him and took off with it. Wook did an OK job, but it's hard to defend a weak position against somebody who sees what you're doing.

[hskwarrior]

Haha yeah I'm a masterdebater.

Why are you slowly changing your vocab? Hmm.... Feeling left out?

HE'S FEELING THE RESULTS OF SQUARENICITY lol.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Haha yeah I'm a masterdebater.:rolleyes:

Why are you slowly changing your vocab? Hmm.... Feeling left out?


Of course I saw the cul de sac in that lil exchange. Why do you think I just watched? I doubt either of them actually expected to sway the other. That being said, Wook laid it out and Wenshu brought it to him and took off with it. Wook did an OK job, but it's hard to defend a weak position against somebody who sees what you're doing.

What was the weakness of my position? I agreed with Wenshu but urged the logical priority of the theory (apriorism) over history (sense evidence). He confirmed my premises in every sentence. His refutation amounted to a huffing and puffing

[goju]

If you want evidence, you have to meet me, I wager. And if I toss you around and armbar or triangle you, you'd just say---Wookie, you don't represent SD. You have other training. Or if I post a good video--same result



Based on the **** poor knowledge of grappling you displayed in your earlier conversation with Wenshu and Masterkiller I have a hard time believing you can toss armbar or triangle anyone. If you did in fact learn "grappling" your teacher seems to be as qualified to teach it as sin is to teach Kung Fu.

[Syn7]

What was the weakness of my position? I agreed with Wenshu but urged the logical priority of the theory (apriorism) over history (sense evidence). He confirmed my premises in every sentence. His refutation amounted to a huffing and puffing

Yeah, I still don't want anything to do with that convo. To do my position any justice would require far more investment that I 'm willing to give. Why would I even bother? I only brought it up as a response to KC bringing it up.

I'm still curious as to whether KC thinks you and Wenshu were both being intellectual narcissists or just Wenshu? Personally, I think he was reacting out of emotion and didn't think that one through. Wenshu was critical of him so Wenshus posts bother him because of his bias. You are an SD brother, so when he reads your words that bias isn't there. Weak sauce. I don't get that at all. I can have a heated argument with somebody then let it go and be fine with talking to them as soon as the subject is changed. I don't hold on to that ****. it's just not healthy. I have enough problems from external forces, I don't need to start creating more. Ask Bawang, we were insulting eachother like a month ago and now we talk like it's a new day. He's a man about it and didn't let his feelings stay hurt. I am the same. Over it.

[hskwarrior]

I'm still curious as to whether KC thinks you and Wenshu were both being intellectual narcissists or just Wenshu?

LOL you noticed that too. i think shaolin do only fights with their intellects.
but can't defend themselves unless they are wearing a Gi. lololol

i bet these guys sit at their dinner tables with their gi's on.

[Shaolin Wookie]

LOL you noticed that too. i think shaolin do only fights with their intellects.
but can't defend themselves unless they are wearing a Gi. lololol

i bet these guys sit at their dinner tables with their gi's on.

I sleep in my gi. I just can't get enough of it. I'd marry it if I could. On a deeper psychological level, in some twisted way, I wish I was my gi.

[bawang]

I sleep in my gi. I just can't get enough of it. I'd marry it if I could. On a deeper psychological level, in some twisted way, I wish I was my gi.

i bang my woman in my gi and yell "tennoheika banzai"

[kwaichang]

Why are you slowly changing your vocab? Hmm.... Feeling left out?

Most of the time I dont have the effort or time to care about what you are saying, to me this is all just amusement. I also do not really care what is said about me or SD only one or 2 on here know who I am or what I am about. So dont flatter your self into thinking you or anyone on here scares aor intimidates or even bothers me in any way. Just FYI. KC have a happy Thanksgiving all.

[Syn7]

Your insecurities shine like a beacon in the desert darkness.

[kwaichang]

You need to ask JP about my so called insecurities. If you see or think you see one please let me know what it is? I am not aware of it , that way I can rid myself of even "your" perception of what you think you see or perceive. The only reason I even respond to you is JP is away for now and I am bored. Syn you really need to get a real life and quit trying to read something in something of which you know nothing about. I say this out of genuine concern, you see although you are protected by a so called hidden identity , had I been insulted by you say 25 years ago, I would have been on your door step wanting a match , I have figured out however that mouths like you are every where and do not deserve even all the words I have wasted thus far. I always tell my kids " Stcks and stones may break my bones , but words may never harm me". I follow that philosophy If I didnt then alot of people whould have their butts kicked. KC

[Syn7]

Really, you would have actually crossed country, crossed international borders for a challenge match?

And you say you aren't insecure. LOL. ***** please.

I see pride in you. Pride is ignorance. You need a lil confidence. Real confidence, not the bull**** you tell yourself to avoid coming to grip with your insecurities.

[kwaichang]

When I was young I fought many challenge matches , tough man contests and Boxed and Kick Boxed was a Bouncer was a Body Guard, and Trained like there was no tomorrow, I did the hard training for 40 years. I fought the Heavy Weight Champ of PKA kick boxing and I trained the 101st Airborne MP's and other soldiers as well as Police personnel. I am proud of all those things and do have alot of time invested in my history of MA. If that is Pride then I am. However in My case my Pride is not ego but Superior Impecable Confidence. I enjoy your bating text but am now going to spend time with my family as I am weary of your banter and your silly chess match I am a very good chess player and can see your move even before you present it. so Have a Good holiday. Peace to you I hope you will some day find it. KC

[Shaolin Wookie]

Question:


For those of you who are 2nd degree or higher, how do you maximize your training?

I figure most guys tend to specialize, right? I'm looking for some training tips. I do cardio 3 days per week (not just forms, since forms shouldn't be done as cardio) and heavy lifting (back, chest, arms) at least 3 days per week. Every other day, I'm doing at least 10 minutes of stance work (2X horse stance at a minute/minute-and-a-half, 2X cat stance, 2X reverse bow, 2X bow stance, and then San He Quan or Yueh Feh [at about 2 minutes]). I try to make the exercizes as tailored to the styles that I'm working on as I possibly can, since each has a different kind of power generation.

After a short warmup, I'll do stances. That gets my legs warmed up/stretched out. I then work on crane or tiger, breaking up the forms into drills (some done static from a horse/cat [black tiger] or low stances [crane], some moving). I like to use a short stick as a training tool for tiger, since it helps you coordinate your hands and move them in unison. I'll mix in the stuff that I'm working on during a particular week. 1 week I'll do black tiger, 1 week crane, 1 week mantis/leopard---and cycle in some other styles we practice. I'll run through the forms slowly, then try to maximize technique as I speed up.

How do you guys maximize your specializaiton while also keeping up the other stuff that you have to learn on the side?

[kwaichang]

I applied a number system to the forms 1-6 one being the physically less demanding and 6 being like Li Ti Kuai or the Huas etc. So as to not over train the joints, which is easy to do , I mix them up and train daily on 10 -15 forms, those I want to work on I perform 2-3 x per week. I will do say 3 of the # 6, 5 of the #3, and 2 of th# 4 , for example , I cross train with Low impact Arobic, 3-4 days a week such as eliptical or Bike. I break up the weigh training into push pull or legs but do abs 5x per week or at times 2x per day. stretch daily and am trying to lose more weight. still overcoming an injury. Application I work on when ever I have some one. Have had to hire sparring partners in the past that works good too. The # system is based on individuals fitness and physical levels, one cant really train with an injury. Most injuries come from over training in athletics. KC:)

[wenshu]

I agreed with Wenshu but urged the logical priority of the theory (apriorism) over history (sense evidence). He confirmed my premises in every sentence. His refutation amounted to a huffing and puffing

Keep telling yourself whatever stories you need to help yourself sleep at night, sister. I find that the best way to deal with insecurity is to dissociate by creating a troll avatar and posting some thinly veiled allegories about how I didn't really just get trounced in a third rate philosophical confrontation.


I sleep in my gi. I just can't get enough of it. I'd marry it if I could. On a deeper psychological level, in some twisted way, I wish I was my gi.

I quote Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung out of context while considering the vastness of my own intellect in my NASCAR patchwork Gi and fannypack, secure in the knowledge that the obscurity of my source material protects me from anyone realizing that I don't really know how to think.



how do you maximize your training?


P90X; teh muskle confusioning,

keeps me built like a 170 lb twink

[kwaichang]

Muscle confusion , a big joke in my opinion, it will initially help but the body cant tolerate that level w/o cycling the training. More prone to injury than otherwise, due to depletion principle. In the long run P90 X will get you built more like a 170 # twinkie , and those are discontinued as we all know. KC

[One student]

you went searching for MY photo to prove you point. wtf do you have to prove a point to me for when i know you can't tell anything from a picture. but i can state my opinion.

and if you keep trying to act like people in shaolin do can fight.....WHERE THE FUK IS THE FOOTAGE? YA'LL GOT FOOTAGE OF EVERYTHING BUT FIGHTING. so we're supposed to belive people from a lineage of proven lies????? yeah sureeeee! LOL



you are that sissy that you can't take a little ribbing about what you chose to wear?????? are you fukking serious? my baby sister doesn't get this ass hurt over words. LOLOLOL.

this is where you and i are different. i as you say "besmerched" a FUKKING LYING THIEF. how can i say anytyhing about your sifu when i don't fukkin know who your sifu is. all i know is you come from that **** called shaolin do. the fukkin that stole our form. so unitl your leader of your lineages sends my sifu a direct apology for this thievery, don't EVER expect me to show respect. i will GIVE if i feel there's a need for it.

if i wore a fukkin clown outfit to a wedding i'd expect to be clowned too.

stop the pussiness and grow thicker skin.

There is such a thing as mental and emotional toughness, and also human decency. They are not mutually exclusive. JP has shown more than once he has both. You HSK are showing at least in this instance you have neither.

[hskwarrior]

There is such a thing as mental and emotional toughness, and also human decency. They are not mutually exclusive. JP has shown more than once he has both. You HSK are showing at least in this instance you have neither.

Der de derrrrrrrr OTAY USA

[One student]

But the lineage is irrelevant in this context. At that time, 20 years agoI didn't care whether it was Karate of Kung Fu. We didn't discuss lineage. We just trained. So for you to use my teacher's funeral to make a point that has not only been made ad nausem but one I readily admit is just stupid. Really.

If you grew up in a rural town in Virginia without the internet and youtube and without the martial arts mecca that is the Bay area, then you would chose an art based on the quality of the teacher and not the lineage. You are holding the people in that photograph to a standard that exists 20 years later. If I lived and grew up where you did, then I probably wouldn't have picked that art, but we can't chose our parents and we can't change where we grew up can we?

I got in a discussion recently with a good friend of mine, who's children went to a school that advertised jujitsu and judo, but really taught only judo. I explained how some schools do that, and some schools get ripped for it and also for their supposed lineage. In layman's terms, he asked, "Does anyone who looks for a school really care about that? I'd think they'd care more about location and quality of the training?" I then had to explain that yes there are many who care more about the stories told and the alleged lineage than the quality of the material and training. He was very surprised and thought that was very silly. It sometimes is.

[Syn7]

I can't believe the point is still soaring over heads.

Of course quality of instruction and an effective style are paramount. NOBODY will disagree with that. NOBODY!!!

That being said, it doesn't change the fact that A- They are stealing from other styles and creating false lineage to justify this and to dupe people who watched kung fu on TV but really knew nothing about CMA or the culture. And B- a continuation of A, they are lying to their students. Whether it's directly or thru a proxy is completely irrelevant. The facts remain the same. THEY ARE LYING TO YOU!!!

By lying they subject you to ridicule and people will always question the style as a whole. Hey, if that's what you want. If being disrespected and treated like chumps is cool with you, rock on wit ya bad selves. Just expect to hear the same **** over and over. You practically ask for it because you know this is all true and yet you still defend SD as a whole (most of you, anyways). Yeah I get it, you love your Sifu, but he/she was a victim of Sin The as well. But they stopped being victims the moment they found out the truth and just shoved it aside and continued on biz as usual. Same goes for all of you. None of you are victims anymore. You've been told, and now you let your ego get in the way of basic common sense. You are now a conspirator and a party to the lie.

I get it, some of you guys have spent many years and from their own perspective it's a good style and they don't want to lose all those years just because people were too ignorant to see thru the bull****. I get it. But there is NOTHING unique in SD and none of the success, from what I can see, is directly because of SD. More likely because of the appropriation of tried and true techniques from other styles. That would be cool, but those original styles were not learned properly and in many cases are wrong. So yeah, I'm sure lots of it works just fine, but their are better options out there. MUCH BETTER! Why not just cut your losses, take what you know and go find a Sifu that doesn't lie to you directly or thru mini disciple proxies?

[hskwarrior]

Yeah I get it, you love your Sifu, but he/she was a victim of Sin The as well.

they're not SIFU. they're SENSEI :D

[kwaichang]

Attachment leads to jealousy, one must train themselves to let go of that of which we fear to lose. Much like " control'" and power. All that you have was given to you from far beyond, knowledge, strength everything, non of it is all yours. Kc

[hskwarrior]

attachment leads to jealousy, one must train themselves to let go of that of which we fear to lose. Much like " control'" and power. All that you have was given to you from far beyond, knowledge, strength everything, non of it is all yours. Kc

i hope you're smokin it n not injecting it!

[Judge Pen]

Yeah I get it, you love your Sifu, but he/she was a victim of Sin The as well. But they stopped being victims the moment they found out the truth and just shoved it aside and continued on biz as usual. Same goes for all of you. None of you are victims anymore. You've been told, and now you let your ego get in the way of basic common sense. You are now a conspirator and a party to the lie.

I agre with this. A friend of mine who teaches split from the system when the deposition was released. He stopped teaching things that Sin The said he fabricated. He is being up front with his students about what he knows and how he knows it. I haven't spoken to him for a while to see how these changes have affected his class, but he was doing well enough last time we spoke.

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!

[Syn7]

All that you have was given to you from far beyond, knowledge, strength everything, non of it is all yours. Kc

That's a creationist view and not representative of many peoples feelings and ideas about what is and why it is as it is.

Me, I'm a theological noncognitivist. Or maybe an ignostic (not to be confused with agnostic, although I have identified with that). My position is simple. I'm not even willing to debate the existence of anything that has not been defined. To me that's just ridiculous. I suppose that's where blind faith comes in, but it's just not for me.

[Syn7]

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!

Rightbackatcha!

We had our thanxgiving awhile ago. Not really something we put much time or thought into (not Canada, just me and my fam), but I did take part in a thing called the UNthanksgiving in Frisco a few years ago when I was staying down there. It was a native thing, pretty fun. This one guy kept going on about the parallels between Israel and the Native American claims. He made some great points. If Israel has a legit claim after such a long period of time (something I don't agree with) then surely Native Americans have a claim that is much stronger. Land claims are fukced up. If we started giving land back to everyone that got their ass kicked outta their so called home land, everyone would be in dispute. As a lawyer, I'm sure you can appreciate that mess. Anyways... Have a good one JP.

[kwaichang]

WEll just dont want t o debate the idea of God because it cant be defined? You like to debate everything else. God is the originating force that originated the Universe. Some believe in the Big Bang "Theory" if it is so then as Physics states nothing will go into motion with out a Catalyst. God is that catalyst. KC

[Syn7]

WEll just dont want t o debate the idea of God because it cant be defined? You like to debate everything else. God is the originating force that originated the Universe. Some believe in the Big Bang "Theory" if it is so then as Physics states nothing will go into motion with out a Catalyst. God is that catalyst. KC

That is one way of looking at it. A major cop out, but valid in a "I couldn't be bothered to think this thru" kind of way. Whatever helps you sleep at night man. You need to catch up on your physics, son. How do you know it isn't just a cycle? We are nothing. We are not important. The concept of God is an ego thing.


And no, I am not willing to debate the existence of something that cannot be defined. Even a loose definition would be a start, but nobody can even get that far, so why bother? That would be like debating the merit of warp engines on the enterprise. Just the idea of it isn't enough. It's a start, I guess. Maybe in a few thousand years people will be able to have this convo.

[hskwarrior]

How do you know it isn't just a cycle?

life is a cycle. this is why there are younger generations of people who look just like someone you grew up with. or certain patterns that always get recycled. look at the current generation, they remind me of the 80's.

[kwaichang]

How can God be for Ego when believeing in a superior being will make humans less egotistical. All things in Motion such a s a Cycle had to have a beginning , and since cycle denotes movement then for there to be movement something had to be still at some moment in Time or space since they are the same. Therefore some force or energy ie GOD had to start the whole cycle in the 1st place. KC

[Judge Pen]

So we're discussing theology now? Wow. What's next? How many angels can sit on the head of a pin? Your beliefs are you own. No one can prove or disprove anything that is based on faith. That's the point of faith. So the best I can do is respect your beliefs and hope that you can respect mine.

KC's thesis is a popular one as it allows for all scientific thought without discounting the existence of a higher being. There's nothing wrong with that as it is an expansive view on the nature of God/god/gods/whatever-you-relate-to. The issue many traditional religions have with that logic is that it discounts the literalness of their texts.

I don't think it is a "cop-out". How can any belief be discounted if it is based on faith? That's the problem and the beauty. You can truly believe that if you die killing infidels that you will have a harem of virgins waiting for you in the afterlife. I can truly believe that tenant is ridiculous. None of that matters.

So how many angels can sit on the head of a pin?

[Syn7]

How can God be for Ego when believeing in a superior being will make humans less egotistical. All things in Motion such a s a Cycle had to have a beginning , and since cycle denotes movement then for there to be movement something had to be still at some moment in Time or space since they are the same. Therefore some force or energy ie GOD had to start the whole cycle in the 1st place. KC

You make way too many assumptions.

[Syn7]

So we're discussing theology now? Wow. What's next? How many angels can sit on the head of a pin? Your beliefs are you own. No one can prove or disprove anything that is based on faith. That's the point of faith. So the best I can do is respect your beliefs and hope that you can respect mine.

KC's thesis is a popular one as it allows for all scientific thought without discounting the existence of a higher being. There's nothing wrong with that as it is an expansive view on the nature of God/god/gods/whatever-you-relate-to. The issue many traditional religions have with that logic is that it discounts the literalness of their texts.

I don't think it is a "cop-out". How can any belief be discounted if it is based on faith? That's the problem and the beauty. You can truly believe that if you die killing infidels that you will have a harem of virgins waiting for you in the afterlife. I can truly believe that tenant is ridiculous. None of that matters.

So how many angels can sit on the head of a pin?

Like I said, whatever gets you to sleep at night....


I'm not gonna have this debate.

[Shaolin Wookie]

P90X; teh muskle confusioning,

keeps me built like a 170 lb twink

I had no idea what this meant ("twink"), so I looked it up.

As per wikipedia:

"Twink" is a gay slang term describing a young or young-looking gay man with a slender, ectomorph build, little or no body hair, and no facial hair


Something tells me that you don't need P90X for that. Maybe Zumba or a Richard Simmons video, but not P90X.

[Shaolin Wookie]

So how many angels can sit on the head of a pin?

Zero.

Next question?

[Shaolin Wookie]

How can God be for Ego when believeing in a superior being will make humans less egotistical.

This cannot be universalized. There are way too many egotistical religionists in the world to make this claim. Look at the Pope, various Imams, the televangelists, the personalities behind megachurches, and the self-serving missionaries. Even the Dalai Lama is an egoist--he wants the restoration of his impoverished kingdom, where he rules as a divinely-appointed god-king (who is a believer in the morality of socialism [i.e., compulsory charity, backed by state force]).

Now, there are plenty of humble religionists, too.

Hence, some are incredibily humble, and some are overbearingly egotistical.

[kwaichang]

I am not talking Religon I am talking spirituality and God, Man invented Religion and ALL the things that are corrupt to man kind, associated with it. KC:)

[tattooedmonk]

I had no idea what this meant ("twink"), so I looked it up.

As per wikipedia:

"Twink" is a gay slang term describing a young or young-looking gay man with a slender, ectomorph build, little or no body hair, and no facial hair


Something tells me that you don't need P90X for that. Maybe Zumba or a Richard Simmons video, but not P90X.That's gross! Who would want to be like that? Oh wait , never mind! Haha

[hskwarrior]

That's gross! Who would want to be like that? Oh wait , never mind! Haha

stfu girly man

[JSE]

I agre with this. A friend of mine who teaches split from the system when the deposition was released. He stopped teaching things that Sin The said he fabricated. He is being up front with his students about what he knows and how he knows it. I haven't spoken to him for a while to see how these changes have affected his class, but he was doing well enough last time we spoke.

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!

He has been very up front. He made an announcement in class stating he had broken away from the system. He said he could no longer be affiliated with this system and the lack of honesty and integrity any more. This is something he had wanted to do for quite some time because of all of the limitations that were put on him.

Class is much better now. He has taken the focus off of "form collecting" and has placed the majority of the emphasis on application and theory.

HSK, One of the examples he gave was the fact that the 5 animal form came from Doc-Fai Wong's book and or video. So there is at least 1 former Sin The school that completely acknowledges your systems form. I have talked to him about the discussion here and he has read your posts. I would like to discuss this with you further privately if you are open to that. :D