Majority Rules

[Sihing73]

Hello,

Since this is your forum not mine I wish to put something to a vote. I will leave this poll open for three days and will close it on Sunday accepting the majority of the votes at that time and acting accordingly.

My question is this:

Should Whipping Hand be banned from this board?
Before you decide too quickly consider this; he may have a great deal of knowledge to share with the rest of us and simply be testing us to see if we are worthy. Or he may have nothing to share and hide that fact behind vague and answerless posts.

Anyhow, the decision is yours. On Sunday I will count the votes and take the action which the majority of you feel is appropriate.

Peace,

Dave

[IronFist]

lol, a mod is taking a vote to see if we should ban someone.

for some reason that seriously made me start lauging :)

don't ban me :(

Iron

[Wei Sui]

He does show alot of arrogance...But he also shows signs that he has alot of WC knowledge, maybe it's just his edge?!

Anyhow, I guess it does us no good if he slams other people's posts without elaboration on why. A yes/no answer doesn't really cut it...but

I vote to leave him be...

Although he is very direct in disagreeing with people while not clairify why...that is his choice. He has not done anything that can be deemed really bad/wrong (used profanity or names). He does get on some peoples nerves by the way he posts(mine!)...but you can always ignore his posts...Perhaps if his posts x the line then I would consider it...

Wei Sui

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Dai yut tow dai :)

[Ars vitae]

I really like this forum and what it means to be able to share the wealth of knowledge that people have from around the globe, on the Chinese Martial Art that is WIng Chun.
I think everybody has the right to express there opinion in a civilised and knowledgeable way, as long as they contribute positively to this communtiy that's developed. This is why I'd like to suggest just moderation, rather than a blanket banning of individuals.
Whipping hands has every right to pass on the knowledge which he wishes to share. This is the point. If you have something to contribute to help shed some light in developing WIng Chun, then by all means feel free to post. If on the other hand, you wish to keep people in the dark, then please refrain from posting. If you post without adding CONSTRUCTIVE criticism then you're limiting yourself and others.
This will only get you banned or moderated, in which case you would lose your voice here and what is the point in accumulating knowledge, if it can not be shared? If becomes lost here, truely a waste of potential.

By the way this is a vote of don't ban, just (self)moderation hopefully. ;)

P.S - For a Wing Chun person Whipping Hands, you sure don't pick the quickest route to answer posts. ;)

[Anarcho]

I don't think he's been outright offensive yet. Maybe he's going to let us all in on what *real* Wing Chun is like later on...Or maybe he just doesn't have much knowledge on the subject but still wants to feel like part of the forum. Either way, he doesn't bother me personally.

Oh, and Sihing73 I was going to say this on another post, but I'd rather let that one die and keep this one near the top: I am constantly impressed by the way you moderate this board. You manage to foster a sense of respect without allowing it to become too sterile, and your desire to let us share in the decision making processes is just another example of that.

[Ars vitae]

I second what the Man from Oz says. Kudos to you.

[Sharky]

lol, nah, don't ban him.

My anus is superior™

[chi-kwai]

It would have been infinitly easier for you to simply have banned W.H. from the board without so much as a whisper of his passing, Sihing73. I commend you on asking out opinion beforehand. As for the reasoning, it is also sound.

I don't agree with Whipping Hand's method for posting. It is also evident that the majority of people here have similar opinions, even if they did vote to allow him to stay. One would think that a reasonable person would take a hint and either change their tone or not speak at all. Perhaps this thread will jar such a person's sensibilities a bit.

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chi kwai

[El_CLap]

Don't ban people unless they break a rule.

[sllor]

i say ban him even if he just comes back with a new name

[tsunami surfer]

If you ban this guy, who gets banned next? I'm new here and although I do not study kung fu I am always learning. True warriors are not thin skinned. Freedom also means having to let unpopular veiws come to the table. You don't have to agree with it and if it has merit, it will hold its own and be accepted or rejected. Free minds think for themselves.fl

[MasterPhil]

Banning should be kept for extreme cases. I wish we could but we can't silence all the ignorants of this world.

In this case, people seem to mostly have a problem with WH's way of expressing himself. But I don't sense any bad intent in his posts i.e. he doesn't seem to be dishonest with the intent of insulting/hurting people. He is merely expressing his opinion like the rest of us. At least, it seems like an educated opinion unlike so many others. If you don't like a post, skip it/ignore it. People are responsible for their own reactions. If somebody's opinion/answer gets you all emotional, that's your problem. You always have the choice to respond or ignore it. WH understands this and applies it well. He already gets his fair share of abuse from everybody here. Let him stay.

ST

Surrounded by chaos, the true taoist laughs...

[JiuKaiMan]

Who's Next?
Instead of banning people, I say we make freedom of speech our goal on this forum. That means taking the bad with the good.
What if a moderator or someone takes offense to something the rest of us like?
Lets not ban anyone anymore.

There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie, and Dim, Dim being really dim, and we sat in the Korova Milkbar making up our rassoodocks.........

[feldor]

Everyone has something to offer. We all have our quirks and things that others dislike. If we vote to ban him, then the ideals of the board are compromised. It is a FREE and OPEN forum.

We may not like what people say all the time, but it's a choice to participate. If you can't take it, leave.

Whipping Hand,
Too bad I can't learn some of your teaching personally, I think you have a lot to offer. I know Hawkins Cheung personally, and understand some of your opinions. You just seem abrasive to others sometimes. :D

Charles
Bak Fu Pai

[durian]

Banning the fellow is just in poor taste. If you do that, how long until someone asks to have you (sihing73) or me banned? Just ignore him, if you find him offensive or whatever.

[mun hung]

I believe Whipping Hand is a serious practitioner with much knowledge. He's just a bit cocky - like most of us are. Actually, I tend to agree with alot of his posts.

[Gazza]

I agree with Munhung. I think WH has much to offer.
Lighten Up Wipping Hand.

Gary.

[Martial Joe]

he shouldnt be band...I like what he talks about...he talks just like my sifu does,and thats a good thing.He never caused any trouble...if you went over to the kung fu forum,wich I know you dont moderate...there are people there that do so much more then he does...and they dont even get a warning...I mean zeesh,rolls is still around...

He isnt being band...to many votes for him,including mine...

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[Shadowboxer]

Why do you post on this board anyway? Obviously, you do not want to truly share your knowledge with the rest of us or you wouldn't be so cryptic in your responses. People have repeatedly asked you to simply elaborate, yet you refuse. Why is this so?

[Martial Joe]

you shouldnt do that...your going to turn this whole post into a argument...


Whipping hand tells you what he knows he just doesnt explain it.He knows what hes talking about...

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[TjD]

sadly, sometimes i think that whipping hand just has a little formula to say something without knowing anything... but then other times i feel like hes actually saying something and get what hes trying to say :)

mabye half the time hes just trying to get a rise out of you guys :eek:

hes not overly disrespectful and his posts tend to be short and not take up too much bandwith so i dont really see why theres a problem


peace
trav

Receive what comes, Escort what leaves, and if there is an opening, rush in

[Watchman]

mun hung is correct.

[[Censored]]

I was once banned from a MA forum, for having the temerity to suggest that their art was imperfect and their training could be improved! Those Aikido guys are really thin-skinned. ;)

If you ban everyone who disagrees with or annoys you, you will only "learn" what you already know.

What would have happened if Leung Sheung had banned Yip Man from his school, when he first made some rude comments?

And, more importantly, if he gets banned I will probably be next. :)

[This message was edited by [Censored] on 08-16-01 at 01:47 PM.]

[wingchunwsl]

nah don't ban him.

[whippinghand]

any suggestions?

[whippinghand]

your relationship with Hawkins Cheung is supposed to mean what to me?

[whippinghand]

Will you be visiting me in September?

[Sihing73]

Hello,

I am thankful for those of you who have posted thus far. I feel it is important for everyone to have a chance to present his say. I wish to clarify my position; I am in no way eager to ban anyone from this board. This is a subject which I approach with much reluctance. There is a great deal of truth to the "fear" that once such actions are started they will snowball and become uncontrolled. One of the reasons why the NAACP supports the right of the Ku Klux Klan to march is the very danger that once one groups, or individuals rights are infringed upon it opens the door to do the same to others. However, I still will honor the desire of the majority of the people on this board. If the majority requests an action to be taken then I will do my best to carry out that action.

Whipping Hand,
I had hoped to attend Sifu Augustine Fongs seminar at Patrick Gordons. There is still a possibility that I may be able to attend, and if I do I will be glad to meet with you. However, right now it does not look promising financially. I recently had to have a sewer line replaced and the cost was, a bit high. This has tapped into much of my funds. I am currently thinking of attending a martial arts event in New jersey on Septeber 8th as it would be both closer and cheaper. However, do not give up hope of our meeting. I may be able to arrange a trip to the Falls and I believe Toronto is not that far away. Perhaps we could meet during this time. Also, is there a possibility of your meeting me halfway, or maybe a third of the way? If I do come up it will most likely be in Early October, if I do decide not to attend the seminar.

Peace,

Dave

[rp]

If you ban him, can't he just register with another name? :confused:

[cobra]

Maybe he just doesn't like to throw out info, but prefers to throw out bits of info and make you think on it. Why should anyone just give you 100% and not make you do some of the work. Just something to think about, I don't know if it makes any sense or not.

Just my 4 cents!!

[vertical fist]

"It is obvious by this letter... that Randy Williams sucks." -Whipping Hand

Rules are very simple here: be respectful of others. In general, this means don't slander or libel another school, instructor or person; don't use abusive language. - KFO Forum Rules

"Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do."

[Martial Joe]

There should be a rule called...

You can be a d*** ;) if you know what your talking about...

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[This message was edited by Sihing73 on 08-16-01 at 07:00 PM.]

[kungfu cowboy]

Hee-hee! :D

"I ain't got time for no jibber-jabber!"-----Mr. T

[bratok304]

Whipe Them All, All Of Them...
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[feldor]

It was meant as a compliment. If you are a serious practitioner, then you would know. Was I mistaken? And chill out, stop being paranoid.
:(

[whippinghand]

Thank you for setting me on the right path.

[EmptyCup]

I agree with vertical fist...WH telling me to "Empty my cup" five times when I didn't aggrevate him is not good forum behaviour...and asking the moderator to re-open a locked post to write more bad things about me only adds to the insult...

and I don't notice him changing his snarky comments recently either although most people voting for him to stay have asked him to curb his smart mouth...

wtsihing, haha :) you're funny!

[wtsihing]

that post has magikally vanished! A little too funny for the moderator's sense of better judgement it appears. (apologies)

[wtsihing]

all this attention being given to Mr. Hand is all that he wants. Maybe a group hug is better?

[vertical fist]

"Remain disciplined - Conduct yourself ethically as a martial artist.

Practice courtesy and righteousness - Serve the society and respect your elders.

Love your fellow students - Be united and avoid conflicts.

Limit your desires and pursuit of bodily pleasures - Preserve the proper spirit.

Train diligently - Maintain your skills.

Learn to develop spiritual tranquility - Abstain from arguments and fights.

Participate in society - Be moderate and gentle in your manners.

Help the weak and the very young - Use martial skills for the good of humanity.

Pass on the tradition - Preserve this Chinese art and rules of conduct." Sifu Augustine Fong

"Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do."

[whippinghand]

Ever heard of "centreline"? What about "straight line"?

[wtsihing]

Ever hear of two vertical fists moving forward in a circular motion along the centerline?

[whippinghand]

Yep

[Wei Sui]

I will be in Toronto in October... might be meeting up with Empty Cup... would be interesting in meeting with you as well...you seem to know your stuff. If you have time to enlighten me with you knowledge let me know..


Cheers
Wei Sui

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Dai yut tow dai :)

[Sihing73]

Hello,

Well, The time is up and the votes are in. The majority of people voted not to ban Whipping Hand and so he stays.

I would like to thank everyone who responded and appreciate the input. As I have siad before, this is your forum. I think this was a good test of Democracy in action, :).

Anyhow, thanks again.

Peace,

Dave