Tcma

[SPJ]

If somebody is interested in learning TCMA the old way, how does one start?

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[SevenStar]

by doing research and finding a reputable teacher, I'd imagine.

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

SPJ,

I'm not sure what you mean by the "old" way. Speaking to different people, everyone has a different perception of old and new.

Question is, with the advance in sports medicine, shouldn't CMA adopt these practices?

I would like to learn CMA the efficient way - without having to consider what may be old or new.

Putting it another way, the guys who did CMA in the past as part of their military service, or self defence wouldn't be thinking of this in terms of traditional vs non traditional. It is the most efficient approach they'll be more concerned about for obvious reasons.

As long as one has a clear focus in mind as to what he/she wants to achieve in kung fu, then one can start looking for teachers who can be a guild to their path of discovery.

[SevenStar]

good, constructive, on-topic post...

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Ego_Extrodinaire

Putting it another way, the guys who did CMA in the past as part of their military service, or self defence wouldn't be thinking of this in terms of traditional vs non traditional. It is the most efficient approach they'll be more concerned about for obvious reasons.


keeping with this idea,

1. many people take up MA to get into shape

2. many people take up MA to learn how to fight

there have been advances in science and in training methods that facilitate both of these. Does it really matter if the approach you take is modern or traditional, and if so, why?

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

Sevenstar,

I would probably go so far as to add that ppl who do CMA come with different objectives. Some do it for self defence, sports fighting, a bit of cultural exposure, cardio or the mixture of the above. In a way CMA is addressing the needs of ppl of today as it did address the needs of the ppl in the past.

It is interesting to see that even within a school, different classes are held at different days / times of the week. Some are purely lion dance, other classes train certain students for up coming fights etc. My guess is when a school gets big enough - which at the end of the day is a business, it can cater for the different needs of the students.

EE

[FngSaiYuk]

Originally posted by SevenStar
keeping with this idea,

1. many people take up MA to get into shape

2. many people take up MA to learn how to fight

there have been advances in science and in training methods that facilitate both of these. Does it really matter if the approach you take is modern or traditional, and if so, why?

3. many people take up MA for the art

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Ego_Extrodinaire

I would probably go so far as to add that ppl who do CMA come with different objectives. Some do it for self defence, sports fighting, a bit of cultural exposure, cardio or the mixture of the above. In a way CMA is addressing the needs of ppl of today as it did address the needs of the ppl in the past.

maybe... I'm doubting people in the past wanted to train merely for cultural exposure, sport fighting and cardio.

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

hmmmm..on cardio, when you look at shaolin roots in times of peace, that was the only reason they practiced, as a compliment to their meditative practices. It wasn't really what I meant but I'll get back to you later.

How far in the past are you talking??

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by FngSaiYuk
3. many people take up MA for the art

I omitted that answer on purpose, as the topic being discussed is a physical one. However, thinking about it, I have met people who wanted to train so that they could look like bruce lee, jet li, etc.

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

Sevenstar,

Reflects the type of society that we live in. Few people has seen kung fu in real fighting. Closest thing is boxing, and lately we have BJJ. So some people may think that good kung fu looks like Bruce Lee who is one of the most popularized character around. Then if not Bruce Lee, then the logical follow on would be Jacky Chan or Jet Li.

[SPJ]

Agreed that the focus of your study determines the contents of the lessons.

1. Cardio and fitness. You are doing the moves to improve your physique, how to balance in your posture, and work out to improve your cardiopulmonary function.

2. Qi cultivation and health. There are Qi gong exercises in many schools of CMA.

3. How to fight in a ring event or basic self defense.

I was asked by some youngsters that they wanted to study the "real" KF and not the modern "waterdown" versions.

Composite routines are combinations of many schools or styles.

Wushu is gymified.

San Da is all about fighting in the ring.

[ShaolinTiger00]

San Da is all about fighting in the ring.

step away from the crack pipe buddy.

Sanda is 10x better than any tma for self defense and since it's primary goal is to PREVENT an opponent from taking you to the ground, it is an excellent method of self defense.

[SPJ]

Agreed that San Da is more "practical" or more close to actual fight.

San Da sport.

Actually, all schools have the last stage of training, which is free sparring, San Shou or San Da.

Tai Ji San Da.

Mantis San Da, etc.

San Da sport is not the monopoly of San Da.

Oops. semantics.

:D

[David Jamieson]

Sanda is 10x better than any tma for self defense and since it's primary goal is to PREVENT an opponent from taking you to the ground, it is an excellent method of self defense.

Um, san da is part and parcel to tma.

I am curious how this has become a disconnect. I get the feeling that there are more than a few people here who have this kind of misconception.

I guess in some areas san da is presented as seperate from tcma. But it isn't. It is part of it in any serious kungfu school. Just like classical weaponry, and many other more esoteric practices.

It (san da) is the free form sparring element of all kungfu styles.

[ShaolinTiger00]

It (san da) is the free form sparring element of all kungfu styles.

no. please stop it. tma is now attempting to ride the coat tails of san shou & san da by saying "yeah we do that", when in reality your notion of sparring is feeble.

SanDa is it's own entity, just like contemporary wushu is no longer tma although they share the same name "wushu"

[David Jamieson]

no. please stop it. tma is now attempting to ride the coat tails of san shou & san da by saying "yeah we do that", when in reality your notion of sparring is feeble.

SanDa is it's own entity, just like contemporary wushu is no longer tma although they share the same name "wushu"


I just wanted to quote that complete nonsense so that you will forever have a food source that is the egg on your face. How can you subsribe to such a thought? Where do you think it came from I'll ask you again? What do you think the words mean? What do you think the practice is?

My god! You have become a troll! lol

[David Jamieson]

by the way, the only co-opting of the traditional san da is that is being taken in by the mma community.

The new "san da" or "san shou" was developed from the old as a way of legitimizing contemporary wu shu by incorporating the hard strike methods and tactics of chinese military police.

san da itself is a term which only means "free striking". It is sparring. Now as a modern term it has come to embody the "sport" pf chinese kickboxing. But you are naive to think it doesn't exist in traditional chinese martial arts.

But then, there are a great deal of folks like st00 who frequent martial arts boards and spread this kind of nonsense that tcma is weak etc etc. The only thing that is weak is weak people and weak arguments. lol. You guys that hold these views make me laugh and shake my head.

Your ignorance and lack of knowledge is astounding. Lemme tell you something too, I certainly don't know everything there is to know about martial arts or tcma or mma, but I can tell you I was practicing san da before it became a competitive sport venue.

I thought it would be a good thing. I guess it must be if the meatheads want to co-opt it and claim it as theirs and disclaim the traditional origin of it.

whatever, you st00 are like everyone else entitled to your blunders. you really gotta own that stuff in your life, it helps you grow.

[FngSaiYuk]

Originally posted by SPJ
I was asked by some youngsters that they wanted to study the "real" KF and not the modern "waterdown" versions.


Y'know, a long time ago I was one of those youngsters. I was enamoured at the time by the fantasy of the martial art legends depicted word of mouth, in literature and in the movies. The old kungfu theatre movies painted this beautiful fantasy of what the human body is capable of.

Since then, my reasons for pursuing martial arts have all been a combination of physical fitness, conditioning and the development of elegant, gracefull movement. I'm a lot less beholden to any particular style, I just happen to enjoy the look and feel of the movement in Chinese Martial arts a bit more than other types of martial arts.

[SimonM]

Originally posted by FngSaiYuk
3. many people take up MA for the art

FngSaiYuk speaks truth.

I came to Martial Arts for fitness, no doubt about that. I wasn't afraid of being hurt in a fight, an ability to think quickly, a quick smile and a silver tongue saw me through four years of rough bars without so much as one altercation.

I didn't know enough then to appreciate the art.

I did have about 150 lbs of fat I wanted to lose.

Now, two and a quarter years later I have 50 lbs of fat I still really want to lose but although fitness remains one of my primary objectives in taking martial arts, there are other issues. You see, I was lucky enough to find an instructor who (among other things) teaches TCMA. He also has specialised classes for JJ, Kickboxing, Gumdo, Boxing, etc. Through the TCMA classes I discovered a love for the form and art of Martial Arts.

[unixfudotnet]

I would be up for training Yang style the old way, though it would be very tough.

http://sunflower.singnet.com.sg/~limttk/training.htm

In the interest of time (a lot of us have families and jobs, so can not put in 6+ hours a day), I appreciate how much easier it is today, and I have faith in my teacher. Curiosity though makes me wonder what it would have been like to train like that (besides obviously horrible mentally and physically to do) and would it actually make me a higher quality martial artist and more "true" to the Yang family style.

[SPJ]

U;

You are very lucky.

It is nice to know that there are still students and teachers passing on CMA in its entirety in different parts of the world.

True. Due to family matters and job, my training time is very limited perday.

However, every time I practice, all the memories come alive as if yesterday.

After a while, you would know you belong to a bigger family.

I ran into students and teachers that studied from the same teacher's teacher as mine.

All of a sudden, I have many Si Xiong and Si Di. Brothers or sisters from the same lineage or Men or Pai.

The originator of each style would be very happy that many and many carry on the torch.

Then, time is only relative. Days, months, years and decades.

In no time, you will advance far.

A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

So they said.

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[SPJ]

As if Mozart, Beethoven would be much pleased that many and many study and play their music.

So to speak.

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