How do you look at WCK?

[t_niehoff]

Do you think WCK is an "athletic" activity? And, in the same vein, do you consider yourself an "athlete"?

[CFT]

I think it is more athletic if you do some kind of mobile sparring as part of your training regime. Like I would think fencing and dancing are athletic pursuits.

However, I don't think of myself as an athlete even if I did some running as part of my routine. I personally think that it has to be set in the context of some kind of competitive environment, even if you're not really a real competitor; e.g. running marathons on a regular basis, but with no hope of coming in the top 10.

Nope, you'd have to look down on me as a hobbyist :D

[captain]

terence,aside from all your important work in the respected legal profession,where do you get your fighting experience from?or the experience that allows for the insightful and firm answers you offer up on this site?

Russ

[Ernie]

Originally posted by t_niehoff
Do you think WCK is an "athletic" activity? And, in the same vein, do you consider yourself an "athlete"?

I’m an athlete by way of activity - run, mountain bike, snow board , whitewater rafting , weights, etc,,,,

I also happen to train in wing Chun

Is Wing Chun an athletic activity ?

depends are we trying to apply it or just pretending ;)

but then again for some shaking hands is a athletic activity :D

[Jeff Bussey]

Hi Terence,
I think Ving Tsun is an athletic activity.
1. Because I'm a fat @$$ and I need to feel like I'm doing something
2. It's physical exercise

I don't think I'm an athlete because I don't have any natural talent.

For some reason, I feel out of shape and worthless now :confused:

I'm going to go and do 1000 push ups I'll be right back

J

[Ernie]

Originally posted by Jeff Bussey
Hi Terence,
I think Ving Tsun is an athletic activity.
1. Because I'm a fat @$$ and I need to feel like I'm doing something
2. It's physical exercise

I don't think I'm an athlete because I don't have any natural talent.

For some reason, I feel out of shape and worthless now :confused:

I'm going to go and do 1000 push ups I'll be right back

J

you are not alone , the world is watching http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/

:D :D :D

[PaulH]

What WCK is not - force against force. What WCK is - good using of force. You may have to be fit to command forces however. =)

[45degree fist]

Main Entry: ath·let·ics
Pronunciation: ath-'le-tiks, ÷"a-th&-'le-
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
1 : exercises, sports, or games engaged in by athletes
2 : the practice or principles of athletic activities


if you practice WC for sport, games or exercise then yes it is an athletic activity and you would be an athlete.

no Im not a wing chun athlete.

[Ernie]

athlete

\Ath"lete\, n. [L. athleta, Gr. ? prizefighter, fr. ? to contend for a prize, ?, Hom. ?, contest, ? prize; fr. the same root as E. wed: cf. F. athl[`e]te.] 1. (Antiq.) One who contended for a prize in the public games of ancient Greece or Rome.

2. Any one trained to contend in exercises requiring great physical agility and strength; one who has great activity and strength; a champion.

3. One fitted for, or skilled in, intellectual contests; as, athletes of debate



Yep i'm an athlete :cool:

[YongChun]

Wing Chun is a system of ideas for fighting. That gets turned into a set of tools for fighting. Then with that you add athletic training. Then you drill, then you fight.

I remember Emin Boztepe saying that he wasn't an athlete on one of his tapes. He said he doesn't lift weights. However I think his WT skills are a combination of :

1. very good athletic skills
2. very fit body
3. very aggressive mentality
4. a variety of martial arts in his background
5. much experience fighting
6. and last his WT training program

Furthermore on another tape he is seen working with a weight machine and on some internet site he is shown with his shirt off flexing all his muscles to show his muscle development.

So when someone like that shows us that WT is superior to everything else, I think it is a bit of a deception (not by Emin but by the student's wishful thinking) unless you also include items 1,2,3,4 and 5.

Ray

[Jeff Bussey]

Hey Ernie,


you are not alone , the world is watching http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser
:eek:

998, 999, 1000 push ups


Dam all of you people in shape
Hold on, I think I smell pizza...

:D

[Ernie]

Originally posted by Jeff Bussey
Hey Ernie,


:eek:

998, 999, 1000 push ups


Dam all of you people in shape
Hold on, I think I smell pizza...

:D

you m---u---s---t resist

[old jong]

Originally posted by t_niehoff
Do you think WCK is an "athletic" activity? And, in the same vein, do you consider yourself an "athlete"?

IMO,I consider it as a self-defense art with "moderate" physical activity and a high psycho/physical aspect. The "athletic" aspect can be added or depends on how the practitioner does his Wing Chun.

I'm not an athlete BTW!...

[45degree fist]

playing dictionary is fun

but plain and simple an athlete is somone who uses there athleticism for sport or prize.

this could probably be a good thread, I can see it now.........

(what is the difference between an athlete and a fighter?)

what do you think ernie

[Ernie]

Originally posted by 45degree fist
playing dictionary is fun

but plain and simple an athlete is somone who uses there athleticism for sport or prize.

this could probably be a good thread, I can see it now.........

(what is the difference between an athlete and a fighter?)

what do you think ernie


Well could never consider some one a ''fighter'' if they were not in shape .

skill is a small part in a drag down toe to toe street fight , you need to be able to take punishment and dish it out

the better tuned up your engine is the better you will execute your skill under that pressure

to say that having a lack of athleticism will produce better results doesn't make sense

[45degree fist]

Originally posted by Ernie
Well could never consider some one a ''fighter'' if they were not in shape .

skill is a small part in a drag down toe to toe street fight , you need to be able to take punishment and dish it out

the better tuned up your engine is the better you will execute your skill under that pressure

to say that having a lack of athleticism will produce better results doesn't make sense

do you have to be in good shape to put words in peoples mouths. ha ha

I never disagreed with any of the above guy.

I merely said an athlete is somone who uses there athleticism for sport or prize.

you shouldnt always be so negative no one is against you calm down eat some fiber.

but I have seen plenty of jocks get dinged up by blunt smoking 40 drinking never ran a lap in their life gangsters and gangster wannabes. ha ha

[Ernie]

Originally posted by 45degree fist
do you have to be in good shape to put words in peoples mouths. ha ha

I never disagreed with any of the above guy.

I merely said an athlete is somone who uses there athleticism for sport or prize.

you shouldnt always be so negative no one is against you calm down eat some fiber.

but I have seen plenty of jocks get dinged up by blunt smoking 40 drinking never ran a lap in their life gangsters and gangster wannabes. ha ha


man i'm all mellow ,
just dealing with phone calls and a ton of emails:D

hell i have picked up and dropped by a out of shape thug :D

[KingMonkey]

With a mixture of suspicion and longing.

[45degree fist]

Now thats funny! ha

[45degree fist]

hold on I almost forgot to put a smiley

:D


there it is

[old jong]

to say that having a lack of athleticism will produce better results doesn't make sense

It will never produce better results. A non athletic person or let's say the average person will have to work harder on the skill/technical aspects of Wing Chun to obtain effective results

An athletic person will,most of the times,get there a lot easier simply because he uses his body better and is usually stronger ans faster.He can compensate for skill a lot too.
Not to say that big pecks are quite intimidating for some!...;) :D

But more seriously,Could Wing Chun turn somebody into a specialised athlete?...Able to perform well in the range of Wing Chun' motions but still an average Joe for the rest?...This is a relative question.

[Ernie]

But more seriously,Could Wing Chun turn somebody into a specialised athlete?...Able to perform well in the range of Wing Chun' motions but still an average Joe for the rest?...This is a relative question.

[specialised athlete?...]

this makes me think of the guy that only works his pecks but has no back and skinney legs :D


you can work sport specific ,I have tried this allot in my early days

but found it lacks over all body harmony

having a balanced body far out weighs having a skill specific body

you may never fight but you live in your body everyday

and if you’re in good condition , not body builder style , just good shape , then your instrument will play better no matter what tune you prefer


:cool:

[Ernie]

Originally posted by KingMonkey
With a mixture of suspicion and longing.

should i live in fear looking over my shoulder :D

[old jong]

this makes me think of the guy that only works his pecks but has no back and skinney legs

I had a similar image in my mind when writing this question! :D But it is not really what I meant.
I'm thinking more about specialised effectives motions.These thing would produce some athletic by-product results,specialised muscles,tendons,you know what I mean?...
But I also agree with you about "living in your body" and why not doing our best for it?...Living healthy is not a bad thing. Wing Chun or not!

[YongChun]

Originally posted by old jong
...Living healthy is not a bad thing. Wing Chun or not!

It can put millions of junk food workers, doctors, nurses, fitness consultants and funeral directors out of work. So that's a very negative thing for the economy.

Ray

[old jong]

Your'e right!...

I would not be surprised to hear Macdonalds restaurant owners had shares in funeral parlors and medical private clinics!
Kind of like being prime minister of a country with a big seaway and at the same times own a ship company!...(Canadian inside joke!) ;)

[anerlich]

Generally from the front or the side. :cool:

I regard myself as an athlete.

You're supposedly about 100,000 times more likely to die from lifestyle-related heart disease than from an assault, so arguably cardiovascular fitness is much more of a priority than self-defense ability. Though IMO the latter requires the former.