what is the different betwen power generation

[yellowpikachu]

what is the different between the power generation of a GENERAL close contact art such as Wing Chun and a GENERAL distance contact art such as CLF or Hung Gar?

Do they have to be different in power generation? or they all are the same in term of power generation? or the close contact art needs to have a fast accerelation power generation? ....?

what do you think?


Care to share your ideas?

[anerlich]

I don't think the distinction between "close" and "long" arts is a hugely useful one.

There are few closer contact arts than BJJ, but the power generation therein is different to WC (though there are similarities).

I'm not familiar with Hung Gar.

A more useful WC/CLF contrast would explore the largely straight line power of WC against the twisting and circular power generation of CLF. CLF has close in techniques as well, and WC has long range techniques. Some "historians" claim CLF was developed using twisting and big circular techniques to snake around or crash through WC structure.

Much is made of rooftop fights in HK where the WC guys beat the CLF guys. The CLF guys have similar stories, but, amazingly enough, in their stories the CLF guys won nearly all the time!

Similarly, the contrasts between Xingyi (linear) and Bagua (circular) are IMO interesting and fruitful. The two systems are very often taught together.

One of my teachers learned WC and CLF intensively back in the 1960s/70s - despite the historical antipathy, he claims the two systems are EXTREMELY complementary.

[KPM]

Originally posted by yellowpikachu
what is the different between the power generation of a GENERAL close contact art such as Wing Chun and a GENERAL distance contact art such as CLF or Hung Gar?

Do they have to be different in power generation? or they all are the same in term of power generation? or the close contact art needs to have a fast accerelation power generation? ....?

what do you think?


Care to share your ideas?


At least for some WCK......power generation is like snapping or cracking a short whip. Power generation in CLF or Hung Ga is more like snapping or cracking a long whip.

Keith

[yellowpikachu]

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[PaulH]

For wide stance based MAs, the stability base is much greater than that of normal upright standing boxer's base. One's power feels like a moving mountain; the other rushing water.

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by PaulH
For wide stance based MAs, the stability base is much greater than that of normal upright standing boxer's base. One's power feels like a moving mountain; the other rushing water.


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[KPM]

Originally posted by yellowpikachu
Great inputs.

More input please! Please!


Thus I have heard:

The lower body is like the "handle" of the whip, the torso and arm like the "lash" of the whip, and the hand the "popper".

At least some WCK powers from the waist and spine. So the whole length of the leg is the "handle", the waist, spine and upper arm is the "lash", and the forearm and hand is the "popper".

Long-arm systems like Hung Ga and CLF with their wider base and more extended postures have different proportions for the "whip." Since the power is coming more from the movement of the legs themselves, the "handle" is usually the lower leg (not the entire leg). So the "lash" is the upper leg, waist, spine, and arm. The "popper" is the hand/fist. Thus the "whip" is longer. So therefore mechanically it may be able to generate more force, but it takes more delivery time and more room to "pop the whip." Since it is a bigger motion, the power is more apparent and less "subtle" than the power generated by the "short whip" of WCK.

Keith