Private Fighting

[Martial Joe]

Hey everyone.

I know this year going into highschool I am going to get in alot of confrontations.There is no place to fight against other arts here.I plan on getting in a few fights this year.I just started talking to a professional NHB guy and he told me never to fight in the street,I told him that id like to bring the people to my backyard and fight there,but I dont want the people I fight to know where my home is.


Can anyone think of non public places to fight.
I dont think the boxing gyms would let 2 kids in so they can fight eachother...

And yes I will fight people this year no matter what any of you say.I dont want to seem like an ******* but that is the only way i can get real experience...

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[oldwolf]

Patience young skywalker, the darkside will seek you out in time whether you want it or not, just be prepared, seek it not. :D :D :D

"And the crowd called out for more"

[durian]

Fight them in front of the local police precinct. Then you can both get arrested and thrown into juvie, where you can then really hone your skills.

Are all teenagers this impulsive nowadays?

[Martial Joe]

I knew alot of you would do this...

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[JasBourne]

Fight in their backyard.

[CanadianBadAss]

My friends and I started something sort of like a fight club... I bought 2 pairs of gloves, 2 headgear things and I got my self a mouth guard. And basically we fight until one of us gives up. This way our faces aren’t to messed up after wards.. And you don’t have to worry about some one pulling a gun or knife.

Last time we did this like 20 people from my high school showed up to watch, so I think I'm going to start making people pay to watch. And then ill make it so both fighters put in like 50$ each and the winner takes it(and i take 20% from each fight cause i run the thing). And Then I’m going to tape all the fights and post the on a web page, and companies pay to have the advertisements on my site. And then ill be rich!!!!!!

[CanadianBadAss]

and people will be able to place bets, and ill rig matchs and stuff

[Nexus]

:D until you get sued by some kids parent who is angry because his childs left and right arms are broken for some $100 backyard fight club match. Of course you shouldn't have any worries as you will have millions of dollars saved up for lawyer fees. Besides that, I am sure your parents will support you through this one as it was their entire idea to begin with! :D


- Nexus

Freedom is what you do with what is done to you. - Sartres

[weakstudent]

hey joe don't fight go to school to learn not fight . i think your sifu would be happy that you didn't fight. as to where don't go to your house and fight thats the number one rule in street fighting don't get you family involve . anyway you are a wing chun man now so only fight to protect your family and self.

i would hate to hear that you got hurt
plus nowaday kids fight with guns.

no wing chun techniques is faster than a bullet

nelson

[CanadianBadAss]

What if I get them to sign a waiver before they fight? One that basically states that they are entering the backyard at there own risk and we wont accept any responsibility for any thing that happens to them once there inside. Except I'll make it more detailed, and ill get lawyer to look over it.

But it won't matter, cause ill run the whole thing through the Korean mafia, and no one will know I have any connection to the backyard fight club, and if I do get caught I’ll blame it on my mom, because it was her idea after all, right nexus

[Martial Joe]

I know how you guys say...I dont want to here about you getting hurt or introuble and all that...that is exactly what I expected from you nice people.

I clearly stated in my post that I wasnt going to listen if you said those things.That will not stop me from fighting.If you told me something I didnt know on the otherhand I would take that into consideration.

Jas~You said it their backyard,yes that could be posiple...can you think of anywhere else?

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[Martial Joe]

haha...the mafia...

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[whippinghand]

I'd kick you out of my club... whether you've won or lost.

[Martial Joe]

How come?

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[anerlich]

To quote Australian band, The Cruel Sea:

"You better get yourself a lawyer, son. Get a real good one."

So many things can go wrong with what you are proposing they could fill a book. If you really have to do this, talk to a lawyer, but I would be surprised if you ever found one who didn't tell you the idea was a REALLY bad one legally.

If NHB fights are banned in so many states of the US, how likely is it that backyard brawling will ever be legal?

You might also want to consider having a doctor present, if you can ever find one who will go along with this plan.

[Martial Joe]

Whipping Hand..are you anti violant?

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[whippinghand]

I'm anti-stupid.

[CanadianBadAss]

I think I'll just keep it the way it is right now, just me and a few friends sparing all out. And that's what I was suggesting to Joe.

But you would think the cops would support this kind of thing. If 2 kids were going to fight either way, wouldn’t it be better to have them fight in a controlled environment, where no one can pull a weapon and the fights would always be 1v1 not like 5v1. Plus the fights would be stopped before any one dies, and what’s the harm in me making a little money while they’re at it....

[Mojo]

So you want to fight them in your back yard without them knowing where you live ?
Tell them that, and then tell them that you have to blindfold them so they cannot see where you live. Once they are blindfolded, smack 'em up side the head till they're down. Great way to win a fight. :D

[CanadianBadAss]

Fight in middle mans backyard, some one who is neutral with you and the guy your going to fight.

[Wei Sui]

Martial Joe,

Why do you feel need to validate yourself?

Just do your MA and don't worry about starting fights. A MA'ist with good judgement would not start problems to test his/her skill (it's not like we are in the old days of HK where there used to be rooftop fighting). One should always avoid confrontations, and use phyiscal defence as a last resort. As you get older and the longer you take MA, the less you will want to fight (as you start realizing the implications of getting or hurting someone).

Practice hard in class...do some sparring to make it a bit more realistic (I know it's not street fighting), but only use Martial Arts as a last resort for self defence.

Wei Sui

Ps. Don't make too many enemies, you never know...payback might be more than you ask for.

*************************
Dai yut tow dai :)

[old jong]

Hey Joe.
I know you are young and eager to test your wing chun (or yourself!)I have to advise you not to do this in that kind of context! You will never really know who you will be facing and could put yourself in lots of troubles if you beat someone who does not have the spirit to lose and forget it!...He could be back with some friends and even weapons to get revenge!
I suggest you wait (I believe you're still too young for it) and register in some MMA tournaments in your area.This way you will be able to "fight" in a safe environment and experiment as much as you want.
I just want you to take care young wing chun brother ;)

[rp]

Hey Joe,

If you were man enough you'd just do it (fight). All this bluster is bull****. Just like the time you went to the girl's Karate school.

It sounds like you've got a lot of growing up to do. Do you actually train VT? Do you have a teacher?

Stop seeking attention on this board and post something useful.

[Martial Joe]

First of all slot of you guys have read this and made a name for me in your head.I am not a bad person,and I would just like to share that with you...


Wei Sui ~ I never start a fight.I am not like that.There so many kids in my school who are like that.And when they do something to me I am not going to sit there and not do anything.If they want to fight me,then they found themselves a fight.I will fight them,but I dont want to get into trouble,that is my reason for posting all this and asking of ways to fight with lowering the risk of law trouble...

Jong~I wish I could find some MMA places around here...If anyone knows of any please tell me...


Rp~What do you means man enough.I am out there eager to fight so stop saying stupid stuff like that.I went to that school in search to spar there best black belt my age...the closest was a 16 year old and after i went they told me he only goes on saturday mornings....I think 9 AM...si I said screw that I am sleeping.

Everyone could use some growing up.I know I am quite grown up for my age.Yes I train Wing Chun and I have a good sifu.You should know the answer to that question if you actualy read that karate post.I do not seek atention on this board.You make it out that I am the only one who thinks of fighting.This one post and all these replies could answer alot of other peoples questions that they havent asked yet.I think you say somethings a bit to soon before you actualy think of what your talking about.I dont want this to be an argument.So just chill out...

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[Martial Joe]

I am not stupid.And it isnt stupid to fight...Well not in my case.

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[[Censored]]

You want to know whether or not sloppy WC works?

Sometimes.

You want to see if your WC is beyond improvement?

It is not.

You want to know whether or not good WC works?

Keep practicing.

[Scott]

BLAARGGGH NOO NOT A FIGHT CLUB STARTER

Jesus mfing Christ.

Did NO ONE understand the movie Fight Club?

I'm a fiction writer and have been in contact with Chuck Pahlaniuk, the author of Fight Club, for a while.

BUt you don't have to know the guy to understand what the movie is really about

The guys who were in the fight clubs were having a joke PLAYED ON THEM. They weren't free of society, they were just Tyler Durton's SLAVES. That was the big joke! The whole movie is about Tyler Durton being free of society, NOT the space monkeys in the Fight Clubs. They were just being slaves to Tyler Durton.

The best part about this movie is that so many people copy the movie and start 'fight clubs,' so they're having this joke played on them by a fictional character.

THIS is how Chuck Pahlaniuk wrote the book. Tyler even makes fun of the fight club people during the movie. Does no one ever catch these things?

-Scott

"Life is hard, but so am I." -- The Eels.

[Gluteus Maximus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you told me something I didnt know on the otherhand I would take that into consideration. [/quote]

Joe, here's a few things that you don't yet seem to know:

Apart from self-defense, fighting achieves nothing.

The most important fight a martial artist will have is with his own ego.

The ultimate goal of learning martial arts is to not fight. It takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight when given the choice.

Once you have faith in yourself and the Wing Chun system, you won't feel the need to fight to test yourself or Wing Chun.

These comments aren't meant to be derogatory. You may read them and not understand. However, when the time is right, you will understand them. In the meantime, take care and think everything through carefully.

Max

To know the unseen, you must first learn to see.

[Martial Joe]

Max~I understand...I would totaly agrea to that if I didnt want fighting to be my profesion...I dont think you knew that, did you?

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[Gluteus Maximus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Max~I understand...I would totaly agrea to that if I didnt want fighting to be my profesion...I dont think you knew that, did you? [/quote]

You're right, I didn't know that. OK, seeing as you're determined to do it, here's a few thoughts:

Hire some time in a boxing ring. Fights in streets or backyards or any other public or open place are not a good idea for various reasons, not the least of which is the average jury member's perception of such venues as being not above board. Wear protective headgear and mouthguards. Be extremely litigation-conscious. Set the ground-rules from the start. Think very carefully about every possible eventuality and have it covered in advance. Remember how easy it is to inadvertantly kill someone or be killed, let alone inflict or suffer brain damage, smashed teeth, permanent eye damage, ruptured spleens, etc. These are things that can severely disrupt or completely ruin your life or your opponent's life in a second. You and your opponents will have to each sign a waiver absolving each other from responsibility in the case of injury or death. Have the waiver and in fact the whole setup carefully scrutinised and ratified by a good lawyer. Have reliable independent witnesses observe each fight and/or have it filmed.

Take care,

Max

To know the unseen, you must first learn to see.

[anerlich]

Max~I understand...I would totaly agrea to that if I didnt want fighting to be my profesion...I dont think you knew that, did you?

I would choose that profession over typing or spelling if I were you (j/k).

Seriously, if you want to make combat a profession, and presumably a lucrative one, you have only a few sensible ways forward:

1. Sport Fighting (Boxing, MMA, wrestling, Olympic TKD, Olympic Judo - the latter more to do with endorsements etc rather than fees for fighting).Most schools that fight competitively are close to desperate for good fighters with talent, and you'll get plenty without having to resort to your chosen alternative.

2. Armed forces/police. If you're good enough to get into Special Forces or SAS, or SWAT or its equivalents, you'll get every combat challenge you could possibly want and more.

3. You could become an MA instructor, but the people you're going to get your money from want someone who is personable and a good teacher rather than someone who has won xxx backyard brawls and streetfights ( which you would do better to keep undocumented for legal reasons).

4. Bouncing. The good ones know it's more about brain than brawn. Punch someone out and you often get the sack - the owner will do so to cover himself against a suit.

You may see the life of a professional fighter differently, but I see your plans as taking you either to hospital or jail. You'll get plenty of opportunity to fight in the latter, but I doubt it's really going to be a fulfilling occupation.

[Martial Joe]

Max~If I were to fight in a ring or not in one I am still risking permenant injury.

I do plan on taping the stuff.I think it would be just neat to watch myself fight.


As for the pubicity...My backyard isnt public property,but I really dont want anyone to know where my house is.I dont know about a boxing gym.
I would need money to rent out time there and that just isnt something I can afford...

To all the others I wrote to today...I hope you answer back...

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[Martial Joe]

AbeMan~"I would choose that profession over typing or spelling if I were you (j/k)."


Good one...


1.I stated about 3 times already that there arent any MMA places like that around here that I know of,and if anyone knows of any to tell me.


2.I am turnin 15 in a few days...I think I am a bit young to become a cop,and I dont want to be a cop,they dont fight normaly...


3.I am not good enough to be a teacher...and I dont really want to all that much.


4.I am also...to young for this...

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[Martial Joe]

"I doubt it's really going to be a fulfilling occupation."

Why do you doubt that?

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[matt]

when i was growingup me and abunch of friendswould meet and fightin public parks and in the mountians of colorado few of us had any real exerience with with fighting and what worked verses what is just for show so we went out and figured it out on our own that was 10 years ago and i still fight on occasion with some of these friends we did it on weekends and went for all you can eat somewhere afterwards after bing hit in places that make you black out or that hurt for several days you figure out where you want to and dont want to be hit and make proper adjustments to keep form being hit there or if your partner has a special tec. for hitting that spot you ask him not to hit it.

after all your not out to kill each other you just want to fight and have some fun

matt bugg

[tnwingtsun]

"I dont want to be a cop,they dont fight normaly..."


What do you mean by not fighting normaly??

Define normal.
:confused:

[Martial Joe]

Well there prfession isnt based on fighting...and if they get into a fight it isnt usually a normal thing.Its not what I am looking for basicaly.


by the way 2 stupid dogs is on!

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[kj]

Regarding the issue of waivers, assuming Martial Joe lives in the U.S. or country with similar laws, he is not old enough to sign a valid waiver for himself; he would need to have his parent's consent and signature. [I am hard pressed to imagine that being in their right minds they would do this, but stranger things have been known to happen.] Of course even the best attorney-approved, parent-signed waiver cannot prevent civil or criminal lawsuits, but at best may serve as a possible deterrent to litigation, or as some evidence in his favor at subsequent proceedings.

Naturally, Martial Joe would only pay part of the price in the event of such troubles regardless of severity; a toll would be extracted from his parents and other loved ones as well (emotionally, if not financially). It is sad [to me] that such discussions and supporting arguments need gravitate so heavily toward the least common denominator of legal concerns over ethical considerations. While we may be clever enough to maneuver around legal concerns, ethical issues are inescapable (whether we choose to acknowledge them or not). Youthful, impetuous, or rationalized fervor can demand much from many, and often unwitting or unwilling victims. Beyond the toll to the participants, such engagements involve parents and loved ones, and also have an impact (direct or indirect) on peers and other members of society, not to mention the regrets of a subsequently mature conscience [hopefully]. There is always a cost/benefit equation.

[Spectre]

Why the obsession with having to fight? Do you really think that a planned fight is the same as being attacked? You cannot just 'plan' experience!

Perhaps you need to spend more time cultivating your mind instead of trying to provoke your weapons.

The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.

[NafAnal]

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[WCFighter]

Martial Joe,

Doesn't your teacher allow you guys to spar with
and without protective equipment?

Ask him if you can come in a half hour early or something so you can spar with some of your seniors; with and without protective gear.

See how you do against some trained people before you go risk your health with some strangers.

You're about to go into highschool, right?

Well girls don't find one-eyed, toothless, and
raspy-voiced boys with a crippled leg too attractive !

So spar with some of the best seniors in your school and learn to be more humble.

:mad:

"Kick his ass, Sea-Bass!" - Dumb and Dumber

[JasBourne]

Oh c'mon, give the kid a break. He's like 15, his hormones are rampant, and he wants to get physical. Let him find a controlled outlet where he can go head-to-head with other 15 year olds with too much aggression in them. A couple of broken bones is all he will ever need to get rid of his fantasies and decide whether he wants to be a serious martial artist or a professional punching bag, with a slim at best chance of making any money before his brains get pounded into burger and his joints into sawdust.

:D

[Chum Kil]

Are you for real? Martial Arts are not for playing around, especially Wing Chun. What does your Sifu say about this? If he agrees that its OK to go looking for fights, he's an idiot. This is the reason I will not teach anyone under 18 Wing Chun. Man, you got to learn about life. Martial Arts are about protecting your family and friends. Did you ever wonder why most Martial Art Forms start with a block. Kid, you have to much time on your hands. Maybe look for a job, do your homework, play some sports.

John

Have little and gain;
Have much and be confused.

[Celestial Amiboshi]

I don't understand his extreme fascination with fighting. But now that I think about it, most little boys often have some imaginary thing they need to prove, either to someone or to themselves, so this really isn't incredibly surprising. Why do you aspire to be such a thug?

"Close your eyes. The enemy of the faith stands
before you. Do you feel the warm blood splatter
your body? That is the truth, everything else
deception."

[NafAnal]

Let him do what he wants, he's going to be walking around school looking for a fight being an absolute prat. I imagine he'll be hated by a lot of people if he carries on like that. (at school i mean) suspension, etc...

you know how easy it is to lose an eye? say after me.... Retinal detatchment....

[Losttrak]

Very nice post.

"If you and I agree all the time, then one of us is unnecessary."

[[Censored]]

No smart pro fighter starts trouble outside the ring, one crippling injury and their career is over.

Your best bet is to head down to the old folks home and sucker punch some old broad. After all, mercy is for the weak, right? At least that's what they said at Cobra Kai. ;)

[anerlich]

"I doubt it's really going to be a fulfilling occupation."
Why do you doubt that?

I was talking about fighting in jail, which is where I fear your plans may take you if you don't do a GREAT DEAL of legal homework.

[Martial Joe]

kj~This whole wavor thing...I didnt even say anything about that or lawyers or anything related.If you guys want to talk about a kid and that stuff you should direct it towards CanadianBadAss...it was a good post though,maybe he will listen,but I think he is 18?

This is to everyone who said I am looking for fights.

I am not going to start a fight.In my school there are so many kids who if you accadently bump them they will call you names and perhaps push you,threaten to beat you up blah blah blah.All I said is if that happens to me and they are looking for a fight(not me...keyword:they)I will fight them.I think you guys give me to much sh!t about this.Basically all I have been saying wich you have refused to listen to is I am not looking for fights...if one comes my way then there it is...

WCfighter~I am the only student.Other people come and go but I am the only main student there.My friends dad has been gone for like a month for who knows why.He is saposed to be coming back this week but he still doesnt go as much as I.It is usually my sifu and I...

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[Martial Joe]

Chum Kil~No he doesnt agree.There is nothing to agree on.You guys think I am looking for fights when I have been saying IFthey come to me that is when something may happen.He is a lawyer and perhaps the best in town...


JasBourne~I am not 15 yet...
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[This message was edited by Martial Joe on 08-21-01 at 02:30 PM.]

[weakstudent]

you live in pittsfield mass what kind of trouble makers could possiably be there. its not like brockton or boston, so chill. and don't tell people in your school about your martial arts training because that will only lead to them wanting to test you out ,and another thing you haven't mention your sifu and what he has to say about this. listen little wing chun brother i grew up in the mean street of harlem ny and when you fight someone its mostly for life i mean if you win they will be back with friends and guns, knives, etc. if you lose then they will be back to punk you out every chance they get. i avoided many fights by letting them know that fighting is forever meaning if you win i'll be back if you lose i'll be back this is life and death. i didn't blow smoke up their ass its how i felt about fighting ,i need my energies for defending my love ones if you don't believe me maybe we can get together for a feild trip to nyc so you can see what i mean i have no problem showing you the grave sites of people i called my friends .

i'm serious just e-mail me and we will make plans for a weekend .

always your wing chun brother
weak student (nelson)

[Sedgimax]

Joe

I too, , at the same age wanted to do exactley what you want to do now. When I was in high school, we watched alot of wrestling, then Clint Eastwood(every which way but loose)came out and in the summer they had week long kung fu movies on TV. I started organizing fights at school. We bought a trophy, and would meet either before or after school. It started out just being roughousing around, no real punches to the face, but pretty much no holds barred. Guess what, in a very short time the fun went right out of it.People were seriously getting hurt, and as stated elsewhere,it carried over to the street. I dont think you want to be looking over your shoulder when you are out of the ring. Luckily, nobodies parents decided to sue, but today it's a differrent story.( just take music and video games issues)If you want to be a fighter, do some research. Tito Oritz started out wrestling and he just progressed from there.The point is, if you want to fight( and you have talent) someone,somewhere will give you the guidiance/opputunity. Good Luck.

[Martial Joe]

"you live in pittsfield mass what kind of trouble makers could possiably be there."

Not horible ones...just kids who find themselves really tough.I am a nice guy,I dont couse much trouble.

" its not like brockton or boston, so chill. and don't tell people in your school about your martial arts training because that will only lead to them wanting to test you out"

I know its not like that...I wouldnt attempt to do that if I lived there.

"and another thing you haven't mention your sifu and what he has to say about this."

"listen little wing chun brother i grew up in the mean street of harlem ny and when you fight someone its mostly for life i mean if you win they will be back with friends and guns, knives, etc. if you lose then they will be back to punk you out every chance they get. i avoided many fights by letting them know that fighting is forever meaning if you win i'll be back if you lose i'll be back this is life and death."

That isnt like that here as you know.That is why I dont have to worry of getting killed,if I were there I wouldnt even want to fight on the streets there,I know there are MMA places in the big cities.The only big thing I have to worry about here is law trouble.If there was a MMA place close to where I live I wouldnt even bother fighting people from my school unless it was for one really good reason.If you know of any...tell me,please...


"i didn't blow smoke up their ass its how i felt about fighting ,i need my energies for defending my love ones if you don't believe me maybe we can get together for a feild trip to nyc so you can see what i mean i have no problem showing you the grave sites of people i called my friends ."

I am sorry to read that.But what will you be telling me by showing me your dead friends graves.I know they must have been important and your trying to open my eyes to all the dangers in what I would be doing,But that place isnt my home.I am not stupid my friend...


"i'm serious just e-mail me and we will make plans for a weekend ."

I guess...I would like that,I will email you and we can disguss this...

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[Martial Joe]

Sedgimax~I am wrestling.I dont plan on fighting alot but I know a few will come up.I am not going to organize fights like you or canadianbadass did.
I just wish there were some places around here where I could fight other martial artists!!

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[Sharky]

take up boxing; and it's okay to touch it.

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The battle started with a grapple, he had real long hair so a grabbed a hand full, and chopped 'em in the Adams-apple, his partner in back of you tried to attack you, so I'ma twist 'em up like a pret-zel then I'ma tag you/I can't believe he wanna grapple again, I swung 'em around like I was dancing wit 'em, put his arms in back of his head and snapped 'em again, then I grabbed his limbs and put in the figure-"6 subtracted from 10"...

[El_CLap]

Ahh high school. I remember it well. Most real fights with untrained high school students are easy. You should really look into going to other schools and picking fights there. Go to a local Brazilian Ju-Jitsu place and tell them you'd like to fight. They'll sign a waver. Jeet Kune Do guys are mostly game as well. In fact, there's usually someone in most schools who is willing to throw down. And usually you can learn from this more than you can with some flailing high school kid.

[Martial Joe]

"You should really look into going to other schools and picking fights there."

I dont go looking for fights...well on the street anyway.A school is different.And there arent any BJJ schools or JKD schools around here.

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[Nexus]

El Clap, you stated some good points. In almost every school except a few there are people willing to throw down. I know at some places that teach taiji, the sifu would refuse to take on challenges out of respect for people who just came in trying to start trouble. Of course if they attacked then the situation would be dealt with accordingly. But if you are truly well trained, and you go into a BJJ school and make an open challenge, and find someone to take you on and you win, you will gain a lot of respect and potential training partners. People will probably want to learn from you what they can as well as share what they know!

The worst idea about fighting in HS is basically the side effects. Broken teeth, possible kids coming after you after the fight trying to gouge your eyes out with mechanical pencils between classes, getting poisoned by some kid who slipped strict-9 into your cafeteria lunch. The possibilities are endless if you have a creative imagination. None the less, the legal issues are pretty lame as well, but most people who get in fights in HS make a bad reputation for themselves. You should lay low profile, and use your MA only when needed. Once again, I know, you are not instigating these fights (supposedly) but there is also something called walking away, which is usually a sign of someone truly gifted.

- Nexus

<font size="1">"Time, space, the whole universe - just an illusion! Often said, philosophically verifiable, even scientifically explainable. It's the <font color="blue">'just'</font> which makes the honest mind go crazy and the <font color="blue">ego</font> go berserk." - Hans Taeger</font>

[Sharky]

ask to spar ur sifu. do they spar at ur wing chun school? if so, i'm surprised that you've still got this pent up anger n frustration n ish.

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The battle started with a grapple, he had real long hair so a grabbed a hand full, and chopped 'em in the Adams-apple, his partner in back of you tried to attack you, so I'ma twist 'em up like a pret-zel then I'ma tag you/I can't believe he wanna grapple again, I swung 'em around like I was dancing wit 'em, put his arms in back of his head and snapped 'em again, I fractured his limbs and put em in the figure-"6 subtracted from 10"...

[durian]

Buddy, you seem to have an excuse for every piece of advice given to you. If you weren't prepared to listen to the answers, why did you even ask the question?

[Martial Joe]

Nexus~What is "HS"? and thanks for the advice...

Sharky~I dont have any anger my friend...and I am the only main student.There are 2 other guys.One goes like once a month and the other is just coming back from injury.I train with all full grown men.I will ask if we will every spar,but we dont.I will tell yu what my sifu sais when I ask him tomorow.


Durain~At the end of my post I said that I would fight no matter what anyone said I asked where good places to fight would be.I have looked over everything everyone said and replied to everyone.
I disregard the advice by the guys who say dont fight and why I shouldnt fight,yet I still reply and tell them what I think.I did take in some advice from a few people,and I actually emailed weakstudent and we are saposed to meet sometime in september and train together.Well all I really have is one question for you...in your opinion,has all my excuses made sence or did they sound like some bull???

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[Sharky]

never let anyone push you around, but if you go around looking for a fight; even HALF looking for a fight, you'll find one man.

Be careful man.

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The battle started with a grapple, he had real long hair so a grabbed a hand full, and chopped 'em in the Adams-apple, his partner in back of you tried to attack you, so I'ma twist 'em up like a pret-zel then I'ma tag you/I can't believe he wanna grapple again, I swung 'em around like I was dancing wit 'em, put his arms in back of his head and snapped 'em again, I fractured his limbs and put em in the figure-"6 subtracted from 10"...

[Martial Joe]

Yes I know,I do not look for fights though so I guess I am set,but I have been known to get involved when a smaller friend of mine gets picked on.Once that happens they are out to get me I tell ya!

Here sharky ill give you an example of the stupidity I run into.Once last year when I was walking down the hall a gril walks with her big boyfriend and kicks me in the leg and sais something about I flirt with girls to much.I got mad and called her a lesbian,but I mean common she kicked me.Her boy friend didnt do anything and I didnt even look at him and I walked away.He starts walking next to me about a minut later and starts saying"Oh,so you like to harras girls huh?!?!"and I say "no,she kicked me ,I didnt kick her."and then he kept doing it for a minut or so and I kinda ignored him.Then he just doesnt shut up and I stop walking and look him in the eyes and he looked like he wanted to do something and then like 3 kids I know walk up to us and say that I would tear him apart blah blah blah...I tell them to shut up and I walk away and that was that.Now everytime I see this kid and it is still like 4 months after,he gives me looks.I think he is going out with my cousin and he always mumbles stuff when I walk near him like I am afraid of him.This is the kind of stuff I have to deal with on a daily basis.Human stupidity I tell you...
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[This message was edited by Martial Joe on 08-22-01 at 06:07 PM.]

[Ten Tigers]

I am a man who enjoys fighting, but hates conflict. Quite the paradox as the two usually go hand in hand. All I can say is nothing cuts a fighter's exploration of his fighting abilities short quicker than death or crippling injury. If I injure my opponent to a point to where he cannot go on, then the fight is over. This principle contradicts the kill or be killed mentality that should be used in an actual life or death situation.

Personally, I would avoid any actual fights if there were any way to. Otherwise make a fast brutal point and be prepared to accept the concequences of your actions. Sh1t just aint laid out like it should be. Your aggresser can easily become the one sueing you for more money than youre ever likely to make. As long as you can live with the results of your actions. Do what you feel you must.

If it is a pride issue, all I can say is find a way to deal with it. Besides, all of my life long friends are enemies that I had the good sense to deal with diplomaticly. All my other "friends" turned out to be a bunch o' chumps in the end. Besides, glory to God, alot of them actually had a measure of the same patients rub off on them, and the world (even if just my little part of it) became a better place. Not to mention I picked up some pretty good crosstraining with the ones who originaly would never have shared anything with me.

But in the real world, who knows how your situation will develop. It may not be the same way. And I dont want to come off as some enlightened guru, I just wanted to offer my views and experiences.

Bad experiences suck and therefore I tend to avoid them. Otherwise I "shoot em' in tha' face". (Pulp Fiction referance)

Sorry again, belive it or not, it took me all day to write this one reply to you. Posting at work sucks, but it is the only time I can.

I love a good fight...

[whippinghand]

Martial Joe,

Whatever it is you're looking for, you will NOT find it this way.

[Sharky]

"Once last year when I was walking down the hall a gril walks with her big boyfriend and kicks me in the leg and sais something about I flirt with girls to much.I got mad and called her a lesbian,but I mean common she kicked me.Her boy friend didnt do anything and I didnt even look at him and I walked away.He starts walking next to me about a minut later and starts saying"Oh,so you like to harras girls huh?!?!"and I say "no,she kicked me ,I didnt kick her."and then he kept doing it for a minut or so and I kinda ignored him.Then he just doesnt shut up and I stop walking and look him in the eyes and he looked like he wanted to do something and then like 3 kids I know walk up to us and say that I would tear him apart blah blah blah...I tell them to shut up and I walk away and that was that.Now everytime I see this kid and it is still like 4 months after,he gives me looks.I think he is going out with my cousin and he always mumbles stuff when I walk near him like I am afraid of him.This is the kind of stuff I have to deal with on a daily basis."

To me, you handled it the way you had to. No need to say "lets settle this tomorrow, at noon, near the old El Paso".

Anyway, you got it easy.

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The battle started with a grapple, he had real long hair so a grabbed a hand full, and chopped 'em in the Adams-apple, his partner in back of you tried to attack you, so I'ma twist 'em up like a pret-zel then I'ma tag you/I can't believe he wanna grapple again, I swung 'em around like I was dancing wit 'em, put his arms in back of his head and snapped 'em again, I fractured his limbs and put em in the figure-"6 subtracted from 10"...