What about virtual resistance?

[Bluejay]

It really started with the ancient kungfu tensing exercises and it is not gravity dependent so you can apply resistance from all angles.

[Samurai Jack]

What's "virtual resistance"?

[Vash]

masturbation to internet porn.

[Andy62]

Virtual resistance goes by various names and has a long history in the martial arts. It was a favorite training method oif Bruce Lee.It is also known as "Dynamic Tension," "Internal Tension," "Muscle Tension"and other names. It is using imaginary resistance such as pulling on an imaginary rope or lifitng an imaginary weight while tensing your muscles through the entire range of motion.

There are two excellent books on the subject: Dynamic Strength" by Harry Wong and "Pushing Yourself To Power" by John Peterson. Both are available in all major book stores.

[Samurai Jack]

Dude, it's not cool for you to change your username/account, etc. just to lend the illusion that you have someone in agreement with you. That "Pushing yourself to Power" book is just a rip-off of a few other authors, who in turn ripped off some ancient exercises to make a buck. Furey Squats, Hindu Squats, plain ol' fashioned squats... they're all the same dang exercise!

It's B$, and we ain't interested. Get over it.

[Andy62]

Vitual resistance exercises are thousands of years old. I'm not promoting any particular course or book,but just mentioning what I believe is a great excercise type. Many people may know it and others may not.

[Samurai Jack]

:rolleyes:

[mickey]

So you are Andy62!!

Welcome to our forum. I remember seeing your name in the Henry the Thinman forum when I was looking for Mike Dayton's book a few years ago. You are one humble bum!

Most practitioners here lift iron. Please do take the time to share your experiences with us.

Upon seeing your name, I went back to Henry's forum. And guess what I found with regard to the origin of dynamic tension, written by no other than Andy62:


http://p221.ezboard.com/fhealthandstrengththenaturalwayfrm37.showMessage?t opicID=15.topic

Almost word for word what I told you on an earlier thread of yours here. You are indeed too much!!!

Welcome aboard,

mickey

[mickey]

By The way Andy62,

I managed to get an original Mike Dayton course, first edition, for the sum of $200.00. The original is just so much more user friendly than the copy. It even has the flyers that came with it.

mickey

[mickey]

One more thing Andy62....


YOU HUMBLE BUM, YOU!!!!!

mickey

[Andy62]

Mickey, That is definitely me. I am interested in the history of the industry and having been started by Charles Atlas -I have always retained an interest in resistance exercise and virtual ressitance.

I am sure most people on this forum use iron as do most athletes today in all kinds of sports. Some people,however, may prefer to use virtual resistance. Personally I would look at virtual resistance as just another arrow in your quiver to use for occasional variety, when you are traveling or to work certain areas where it may be more effective than iron.

It goes back a long way and I am not trying to sell anything just make information available to people who may have an interest in it. The link below is from an excellent course which came out in 1905. It has a number of virtual resistance exercises in it and it is free. Andy


http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Nordquest/Viking/s&h/s&h-intro.htm

[Andy62]

http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Nordquest/Viking/s&h/s&h-intro.htm

[Andy62]

Sorry, It doesn't work -there must be some kind of block on as I can't get through the the link you posted either.

[mickey]

Andy62,

Living in the age of the nuclear family, the internet has become a fantastic way of creating extended families of information, knowledge, and experience. The information knowledge and experience shared at Henry's site are valuable enough to be put into book format for future generations.

Please pass that idea on.

mickey

P.S. I got through on the viking link. The link that I posted is blocked. I remember it being from June of 2003.

[Samurai Jack]

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=11712

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=11695

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=335791&sortby=&sortorder=

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=335794&sortby=&sortorder=

You decide.

[IronFist]

IBTB.

Dynamic tension has it's place but it's no replacement for weight lifting. Charles Atlas did not build his strength/size with dynamic tension exercises. He was actually a weight lifter, and some barbell company sued him because he claimed to not lift weights or something. At best, dynamic tension may help your muscles a bit but will do nothing for your joints and connective tissues.

[mickey]

Samurai Jack,

Regardless of aliases, Andy62 is a member of the forum of Henry the Thinman. They still maintain and discuss the tradition of Body controls, isometrics and body weight exercises. These exercises used to go hand in hand with the lifting of iron.

I hope he enriches us with his experiences.

mickey

[Samurai Jack]

Yeah, fine. It's just that after what's been going on around here lately, it'd be real nice to see new people following the Forum rules instead of creating entire threads wherein they have conversations with themselves.

I'm sure he's a great guy.

[Andy62]

I am not having conversations with myself. I have one computer at work and one at home. I just registered differently and at different times and since I have differnet e-mails I could not have the password that I forgot forwarded to me.

Bruce Lee was a great believer in and promoter of this type of exercise.

[Samurai Jack]

What's that? Jogging between computers and posting to yourself? :D

One major problem I see with dynamic tension is that it trains your CNS to signal your antagonistic muscles to tense in opposition to movement. That can slow you down and actually inhibit power, which isn't good for an athlete/fighter. Since most of us are interested in developing strength that is transferable to some degree to our MA practice, dynamic tension isn't particularly favored.

Bruce Lee was an actor with a few years of Wing Chun training who developed his own MA blending western fighting with CMA. This in no way qualifies him as a strength training expert.

[Andy62]

The two computers are no big thing in my opinion. I'm not trying to hide anything it was just a move of convenience. I have participated in a number of boards for a long time and some people create whole fantasy lives for themselves.

I guess the way I look at it is that different things work for different people and and there are no absolutes.

The term "Dynamic Tension" was created by Charles Atlas and that course really hasn't had any significant change since it was written in 1922. It does not contain isometrics as many think and does not contain virtual resistance moves. It is primarily calisthenics with some self resistance exercises [pitting one muscle against each other] which were exercises promoted by Atlas' mentor Bernarr MacFadden.

The book that I originally recommended by John Peterson includes exercises from the Charles Atlas, Earle Liederman, and Matt Furey Courses and includes DSR[dynamic self resistance], DVR [dynamic virtual resistance], calisthenics and isometrics.

Weights work for some people,but a variey of approaches seems to be the best to me. Virtual resistance has a long history in the martial arts and I believe it still has applications today. It is up to each individual to decide for themselves.

I have seen other products which communicate knowledge mentioned on the site before so I can't see the uproar over my mentioning Peterson's book. I think it is an over reaction. Someone mentioned one of Pavel's CDs in a adjoining thread.

[Andy62]

The two computers are no big thing in my opinion. I'm not trying to hide anything it was just a move of convenience. I have participated in a number of boards for a long time and some people create whole fantasy lives for themselves.

I guess the way I look at it is that different things work for different people and and there are no absolutes.

The term "Dynamic Tension" was created by Charles Atlas and that course really hasn't had any significant change since it was written in 1922. It does not contain isometrics as many think and does not contain virtual resistance moves. It is primarily calisthenics with some self resistance exercises [pitting one muscle against each other] which were exercises promoted by Atlas' mentor Bernarr MacFadden.

The book that I originally recommended by John Peterson includes exercises from the Charles Atlas, Earle Liederman, and Matt Furey Courses and includes DSR[dynamic self resistance], DVR [dynamic virtual resistance], calisthenics and isometrics.

Weights work for some people,but a variey of approaches seems to be the best to me. Virtual resistance has a long history in the martial arts and I believe it still has applications today. It is up to each individual to decide for themselves.

I have seen other products which communicate knowledge mentioned on the site before so I can't see the uproar over my mentioning Peterson's book. I think it is an over reaction. Someone mentioned one of Pavel's CDs in a adjoining thread.

[_William_]

Good to see you here Andy. I post as dire7wolf on other exercise boards.

[Andy62]

William, Thanks. I remember you from the other boards. Andy

[IronFist]

Look here's the thing.

If it was good for building big muscles, pro bodybuilders would do it.

If it was good for developing strength, olympic weightlifters would do it.

I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. Are you talking about self resistance stuff, like doing biceps curls by using resistance from your other hand, etc.?

btw, this is an awesome pic:

here (http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Nordquest/Viking/s&h/scans/s&h-018.jpg).

[FuXnDajenariht]

virtual tension would be like the visualizations used in standing post qiqong. in the tree huggin posture they imagin pushing, pulling or tuggin on a tree. intention builds qi. thats how i understand it.

[Andy62]

Yes that would be a good example. There is a whole return of interest in this type of exercise. In addition to the "virtual resistance" there is also the resisting of one gorup of muscles with another which is "self resisitance."

Another similar type of exercise that is coming back is isometrics. I am not a Furey fan,but in his Gama course he borrowed heavily from Steve Justa who is a powerlifter of sorts specializing in the lifting of unusual itmes such as barrels. Justa published a book called "Rock, Iron, Steel" which has kind of become and power cult classic and in it Justa describes his success with isometrics.

Isometrics got a bad rap. They were heavily promoted in the 1960s by Bob Hoffman of The York Barbell Company where lifters were reporting phenominal results. Later it was found out that the York Lifters were experimenting with steroids. People believed that all of the previously reported benefits were the result of steriods and isometrics were dropped from interest.

Isometrics are now becoming very popular again and I predict that many martial artists will find them of great benefit. It is rumored that Pavel is coming out with a book on isometrics and I know that John Peterson plans to have one out after the first of the year.

[Serpent]

Charles Atlas in an interview some years after the initial hype about Dynamic Tension (paraphrased as I can't find the transcript I had):

Interviewer: So you promoted Dynamic Tension training, yet you still used weights in the gym concurrently. Why?

Atlas: Well, I'd use weights in order to measure my strength improvements using the Dynamic Tension.

Interviewer: I see. How often would you test your strength this way? And for how long?

Atlas (winks): Every day, for maybe 4 or 5 hours.

:)

[Andy62]

It is from the litigation between Atlas and Bob Hoffman of The York Barbell Company. As I remember it it was 3 days a week and 1 hour each session,but that is significant and your point is well made.

[Andy62]

The Late John McSweeney who is an member of the World Martial Arts Hall Of Fame was a great believer in Virtual Resistance. He developed and taught as system that he called "Tiger Moves." It was a western adaptation of of ancient Kung Fu tension exercises which were of counse virtual resistance.

[IronFist]

Originally posted by Serpent
Charles Atlas in an interview some years after the initial hype about Dynamic Tension (paraphrased as I can't find the transcript I had):

Interviewer: So you promoted Dynamic Tension training, yet you still used weights in the gym concurrently. Why?

Atlas: Well, I'd use weights in order to measure my strength improvements using the Dynamic Tension.

Interviewer: I see. How often would you test your strength this way? And for how long?

Atlas (winks): Every day, for maybe 4 or 5 hours.

:)

That's what I heard. Except I heard he said "3 or 4 times a week," or maybe it was "4 or 5 times a week." Same principle, tho.

[IronFist]

Originally posted by Andy62
The Late John McSweeney who is an member of the World Martial Arts Hall Of Fame was a great believer in Virtual Resistance. He developed and taught as system that he called "Tiger Moves." It was a western adaptation of of ancient Kung Fu tension exercises which were of counse virtual resistance.

The late fighters in the boxer rebellion were great believers that iron body would protect them from bullets, too.

[Andy62]

I know that,but that is a long way from believing in an exercise sysem. I would like to have seen the first one of those boxers who took a bullet I'll bet there was quite an interesting reaction. There is a great video out by John McSweeney titled "Total Self Defense" that you should be able to find with your search engine if you are interested. It has "Tiger Moves" on it.

[Andy62]

I now have one site name" Andy62" on both of my computers.