yellowpikachu
10-31-2004, 09:20 AM
From Ken Wilber:
"For the ultimate or non-dual paths, the primary reorientation is take up a spiritual practice. And learn to cultivate that awareness which is not a change of state. Which is ever-present noticing, through all changes of state, waking, dreaming, and deep sleep.
There is that timeless, unchanging, presence, that is your actual birthright and your original face.
The only way you can recognize that, again, because it's so utterly, utterly, simple, the only way you can recognize it is to exhaust all of your other options, until literally it is the only thing left staring you in the face, and then you go, 'Wow, that's embarrassing. I've only been looking at it for fifteen billion years now and I didn't quite recognize it.'
Take up a spiritual practice. It can be Vipassana, Zen, centering prayer, yoga ... the shamanic material will work but you really have to make sure you don't just get caught up in phenomenal passing states... A lot of nature mystics and shamanic states come and they go. That's not the ever-present self. The ever-present self does not come, and it does not go. It's fully present right now, and it witnesses these states that come and go.
If you just merely get it associated with phenomenal states, that's fine, but it's not realization. ...
You can do it through shamanic or nature mysticism but you have to
be careful not to merely confuse some gross change in state with the unborn or the ever-present. --------- Ken Wilber
"For the ultimate or non-dual paths, the primary reorientation is take up a spiritual practice. And learn to cultivate that awareness which is not a change of state. Which is ever-present noticing, through all changes of state, waking, dreaming, and deep sleep.
There is that timeless, unchanging, presence, that is your actual birthright and your original face.
The only way you can recognize that, again, because it's so utterly, utterly, simple, the only way you can recognize it is to exhaust all of your other options, until literally it is the only thing left staring you in the face, and then you go, 'Wow, that's embarrassing. I've only been looking at it for fifteen billion years now and I didn't quite recognize it.'
Take up a spiritual practice. It can be Vipassana, Zen, centering prayer, yoga ... the shamanic material will work but you really have to make sure you don't just get caught up in phenomenal passing states... A lot of nature mystics and shamanic states come and they go. That's not the ever-present self. The ever-present self does not come, and it does not go. It's fully present right now, and it witnesses these states that come and go.
If you just merely get it associated with phenomenal states, that's fine, but it's not realization. ...
You can do it through shamanic or nature mysticism but you have to
be careful not to merely confuse some gross change in state with the unborn or the ever-present. --------- Ken Wilber