form name information

[BeiTangLang]

List the forms in your system with the name in Chinese & the english translation. These will be placed in a sticky thread as an information source like the other one.

Thanks,
BTL

[EarthDragon]

Chi Sao (Seven hands)
Xiao Fan Che (Small rolling wheel)
Da Fan Che (Big rolling wheel)
Lipi (Powercut)
Lanjie (Intercept)

[bokfu]

Ba Bu Tang Lang

Here are the forms for Eight Step Green Mantis. Just for general information, these forms are almost complete in being standardized at Mr. Zhuo's school in Taiwan. All the students of Grandmaster Wei (including his oldest surviving student) have met many times to verify the exacting details taught to them by Grandmaster Wei until his death. All the forms listed below, except for Chuai Yao 5 and Chuai Yao 6, have been finalized. We will soon have these two as well as the standardized sword form. As far as Continuing Palms, there may never be a standardized version to this one, but we do believe that Mr. Wu of Texas to be very accurate on the knowledge of this form. I suggest all Eight Step Mantis practitioners keep your eyes and ears open, because soon you will be able to acquire the standardized forms which will be the closest recorded descriptions and demonstrations of Grandmaster Wei's teachings without any watering down of this great information.


1.) chi shuo - 7 hands
2.) hsiao fan che - little cartwheel
3.) li pi - power cut
4.) chuai yao 1 - section 1
5.) chuai yao 2 - section 2
6.) dai fan che - big cartwheel
7.) chuai yao 3 - section 3
8.) chuai yao 4 - section 4
9.) chuai yao 5 - section 5
10.) chuai yao 6 - section 6
11.) nien huai jang - continuing palms

Two Man Sets:

1.) chi shuo
2.) li pi
3.) pi an

Weapons

Chun Yang Jian - Sword

One broadsword and one stick form... not sure of the names

[German Bai Lung]

Now I understand the reason why! Thanks BTL.

Formenliste / Forms List from Hong Kong Lineage Seven Star Mantis (Low Kwang Yuk - Chiu Chi Man - Lee Kam Wing)

Kantonesisch/Cantonese - Mandarin/Pin Yin - Deutsch/English

Handforms:
Bang Bo Kuen - beng bu quan - Schritt mit der Kraft einer Lawine, Crushing Step
Gung Lik K. - gong li q. - Grundfertigkeiten, Basic Skills
Do Gong - duo gang - Kraft ausweichen, Avoid Power
Yi Lou Jaak Yiu - er lu zhai yao - zweite Stufe der Prinzipien, second routine of essential techniques
Sap Baat Sao - shi ba sou - achtzehn Alte/Weise, eighteen elders
Hak Fu Gaau Cha - hei hu jiao cha - Schwarze Tiger kreuzen ihren Weg, Black Tiger Cross
Chaap Cheui - cha chui - Stechender Schlag, Piercing Hit
Jit - jie - Fließende Fäuste, moving fists
Sap Sei Lou Taan Tui - shi si lu tan tui - Vierzehn kraftvolle Beine, forteen powerful legs
Dai Faan Che - dai fan che - Große sich überschlagene Rad, Big turning wheel
Baak Yun Tau Tou - bai yuan tou tao - Weisser Affe stiehlt einen Pfirsich, white ape steals a peech
Baak Yun Cheut Dung - bai yuan chu dong - Weisser Affe verläßt die Höhle, white ape leaves the cage
Yat Lou Baak Yun Kwai Yin - yi lu bai yuan kui yan - erste weg des das Festbankett beobachtenden Affen, first routine of ape watching the banquet
Yi Lou Baak Yun Kwai Yin - er lu bai yuan kui yan - zweite weg des das Festbankett beobachtenden Affen, second routine of ape watching the banquet
Yau Ling Jeung - rou ling zhang - Flinke, weiche Hände, agile soft Hands
Yau Ling Jau - rou ling zhou - Flinke, weiche Ellbogen, agile soft ellbows
Tong Long Bo Syun - tang lang bu xuan - die Gottesanbeterin geht wirbelnd, whirling stepping mantis
Tong Long Tau Tou - tang lang tou tao - Gottesanbeterin stiehlt einen Pfirsich, mantis steals a peech
Tong Long Cheut Dung - tang lang chu dong - Gottesanbeterin verläßt die Höhle, mantis leaves the cage
Yat Lou Jaak Yiu - yi lu zhai yao - erste Stufe der Prinzipien, first routine of essential techniques
Saam Lou Jaak Yiu - san lu zhai yao - dritte Stufe der Prinzipien, third routine of essential techniques
Dai Fu Ngaan - da hu yan - Große Wildgans, Big Goose
Siu Fu Ngaan - xiao hu yan - kleine Wildgans, little goose
Mui Fa Lou - mei hua lu - fallende Pflaumenblüten, falling Plumblossom
Mui Fa Sau - mei hua shou - Pflaumenblütenhände, Plumblossomhands
Mui Fa Jeung - mei hua zhang - Pfl.blü.handflächen, Pl.bl.palms
Mui Fa - mei hua - Pfl.blü. Fäuste, Pl.bl.fists
Yat Lou Mui Fa Toi - yi lu mei hua tui - erste weg der Pfl.bl.beine, first routine of pl.bl.legs
Yi Lou Mui Fa Toi_- er lu mei hua tui - zweite weg der Pfl.bl.beine, second routine of pl.bl.legs
Yin Ji Chyun Lam - yan zi chuan lin - Schwalbe durchfliegt den Wald, Swallow flying through the wood
Sei Lou Ban Da - si lu ben da - in vier richtungen laufen und schlagen, four directions running and fighting
Daan Chaap Fa - dan cha hua - eine Blüte aufstellen, stick one flower
Seung Chaap Fa - shuang cha hua - zwei blüten aufstellen, stick two flowers
Seung San Fu - shang shan hu - Tiger auf des berges Gipfel, tiger at top of the mountain
Ha San Fu - xia shan fu - Tiger am Fuße des Berges, Tiger at the foot of the mountain
Lok Ying Jeung - luo ying zhang - Krallen des herabstürzenden Adlers, attacking eagles tallons
Hoi Keui - hai qu - das Meer vertreiben, expelling the sea
Chyun Wan Jeung - chuan yun zhang - Wolken durchstoßende Hände, Hands through the clouds
Yat Lou Ba Jau - yi lu ba zhou - ein weg mit den Ellbogen zu herrschen, one way to rule with the ellbow
Yi Lou Ba Jau - er lu ba zhou - zweiter Weg mit den Ellbogen zu herrschen, second way to rule with the ellbow

Waffen/Weapons
Fuk Fu Kwan Yeung Gwan - fu hu qun yang gun - Tiger belauert die Schafherde Stock, Tiger lurking the shepperd staff
Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwan - wu lang ba gua gun - Baat Gua Langstock des Ng Long, Baat Gwa staff of Ng Long
Luk Hap Gwan - liu he gun - 6 Arten_ des_ Zusammenspiels Stock, 6 ways of playing together staff
Baat Gwa Daan Dou - ba gua dan dao - Ba Gua Säbel, ba gua sabre
Yin Ching Daan Dou - yan qing dan dao - Säbel des Yin Tzing, Yan Qing sabre
Mui Fa Ji Ng Dou - mei hua zi wu dao - Pflaumenblütensäbel - exakt wie der Stab der Sonnenuhr, Pl.bl.sabre exakt like the sundial
Ng Fu Cheung - wu hu qiang - 5 Tiger Speer, 5 tiger spear
Mui Fa Cheung - mei hua qiang - Pflaumenbl.speer, Pl.bl.spear
Saam Yi Cheung - san yi qiang - 3 Gerechtigkeiten Speer, 3 justice spear
Luk Hap Seung Dou - liu he shuang dao - 6 Arten des Zusammenspiels Doppels., 6 ways of playing together doublesa.
Gwan Tong Seung Dou - gun tang shuang do - auf dem Boden wälzende Doppelsäbel, doublesabre rolling on the floor
Man Mou Baat Sin Gim - wen wu ba xian jian - Schwert der Kultur und Kriegskunst der acht Unsterblichen, 8 Immortals art of culture/war sword
Ji Ng Gim - zi wu jian - Schwert, exakt wie der Stab der Sonnenuhr, sword, exakt like the sundial
Saam Choi Gim - san cai jian - Drei Talente Schwert, 3 talents sword
Fu Mei Saam Jit Gwan - hu wei san jie gun - Schweif des Tigers 3gliederstab, Tail of the tiger 3sectionalstaff
Mui Fa Saam Jit Gwan - mei hua san jie gun - Pflaumenbl.3gliederstab, pl.bl.3sec.staff
Syun Fung Daan Ngau - xuan feng dan gou - Wirbelwind Hakenschwert, Taifun Hook
Gau Jit Lin Wan Bin - jiu jie lian huan bian - 9 Glieder Kettenpeitsche, chainwhip
Chat Sing Choi - qi xing chui - 7 Sterne_ Doppelhammer, 7* Hammer
Chat Sing Seung Gan - qi xing shuang jian - 7 Sterne Doppelstreitkolben, 7* Mace
Cheun Chau Dai Gwaan Dou - chun qiu da guan dao - Tsun Chau Hellebarde, Halbard of Tsun Chau
Fung Tin Wa Gik - fang tian hua ji - Erde und Himmel ankratzende Halbmondlanze, scratching earth and sky halfmoonlance
Seung Bei Sau - shuang bi shou - Doppeldolche, doubledagger
Lin Wan Seung Gim - lian huan shuang jian - Zusammenhängende Schwerter, swords playing together
Baat Gwa Seung Ngau - ba gua shuang gou - Ba Gua Doppelhaken, ba gua doublehooks
Jaam Ma Dou - zhan ma dao - Pferdebeine abschlagende Hellebarde, cutting off horselegs halbard

Partnersets
Tou Fa Saan Doi Da - tao hua san dui da - Spread Peachflowers against
Dai Jaat Doi Da - da zha dui da - Big Thrusts against
Tau Jit Doi Da - tou jie dui da - Hidden Attacks against
Chyun Ji Doi Da - chuan zi dui da - Close Combat against

Hong Sau Doi Cheung - kong shou dui qiang - Empty Hands against Spear
Hong Sau Daan Dou - kong shou dui dan dao, Empty Hands against Sabre
Hong Sau Doi Bei Sau - kong shou dui bi shou - Empty Hands against Daggers
Daan Dou Doi Daan Dou - dan dao dui dan dao_ - Sabre against Sabre
Daan Dou Doi Cheung - dan dao dui qiang - sabre against Spear
Saam Jit Gwan Doi Cheung - san jie gun dui qiang - Threesectionstaff against Sp.
Seung Dou Doi Cheung - shuang dao dui qiang - Doublesabre against Sp.
Seung Bei Sau Doi Cheung - shuang bi shou dui qiang - Doubledagger against Sp.
Seung Ngau Doi Cheung - shuang gou dui qiang - Doublehooks against Sp.
Kei Mun Gwan Doi Cheung - ji men gun dui qiang - Kei Mun Staff against Spear
Gim Doi Gim - jian dui jian - Sword against Sword
Gwaan Dou Doi Gwaan Dou - guan dao dui guan dao - Halberd against Halberd

Qi Gong:
Sab Baat Lohon Gong - 18 Buddha Exercises

Also I teach:
TaiJiQuan Yang style short and long Form, sword.
TaiJiMeiHua Mantis Partnerset Gwan Doi Gwan (Zhang Wan Fu Linage)

[BeiTangLang]

I thought it would be interesting for people to have a reference of what each style of mantis has in its curriculum.


German Bai Lung,...what family & lineage are the forms you mentioned??

[mantis108]

The curriculum in HK (in the 80s & 90s) are as followed and pretty much in this order:

Basics (Kicks, 3 stars and 2 stars impact stuff. etc...)
Ba Da Ma Bu - 8 Basic stances (as a form).

TCPM forms:

1. Gongliquan (conditioning fist - a Jing Wu basic)
2. Beng Bu (Crushin step - but I believe it is better as Crash and fill)
3. Jie Gen (quickly followed)
4. Lan Jie (blockage and intercept - I believe it should be Luan jie)
5. Dan Zhai Meihwa (single picking of plumflower)
6. Jiequan (intercepting fist - another Jing Wu form)
7. Shang BaZhou (upper routine of 8 elbows)
8. Xia BaZhou (lower routine of 8 eblows)
9. Quan Zhong Zhai Yao (essential fist - which is basically the first section of Zhai Yao plus about 2 more roads)
10 Wu Shou Chui (5 hands punch - some teaches this one early)
11 Di Tanglang (ground mantis)
12 Shaolin Fo Zhuang (wooden dummy form - some people teach this early some last. All instructors in the system should have this form)

Taiji forms:

Dan Ren Tui Shou (solo push hand)
Mo Yuan zhang (touching cloud palm - all instructors in the system should have this form)
Taijiquan (Chen style small circle - without fajing which is consistant with the other 2 Taiji forms)

there are some other forms in the Vietnam branches but only these are offered in HK.

2 men stuff:

Taizu Duan Da: 64 moves (this is IMHO the essence of Sigung's Kung Fu. All instructors should know most of these if not all)
12 Empty hand defenses again knife attacks.
Wulang Chui (5 punch)
Xiao Kaimen and Da Kaimen (basically is Pai An and it's variation)
Tao Hwa San (Peach blossom blooming)

Weaponary: too many to list but most notable is sword, whip chain, and rope dart.

Mantis108

[shirkers1]

mostly covered by GBL but here is our list or a majority of the list.

WHF northern 7 star praying mantis forms, etc.

gung lig kune - martial arts power fist
taam tuui - taam kicking
sub say lo - 14 ways
bung bo - crushing step
sub baad sou - 18 elders
daw gong - conceal the hard (as in soft)
tsaab tsuui ( chop choi) - piercing hammer
haag foo gow tsaa - black tiger criss cross
baag yune tou toe - white ape steals the peach
baag yune tsuud dung - white ape exits the cave
dai gaa sig - big gesture form
seew gaa sig - small gesture form
dai faan tse - big tumbling chariot
seew faan tse - small tumbling chariot
yud lo dzaag yeew - first route's essence
yee lo dzaag yeew - second route's essence
saam lo dzaag yeew - third route's essence
say lo dzaag yeew - fourth route's essence
ng lo dzaag yeew - fifth route's essence
lug lo dzaag yeew - sixth route's essence
baad dzaao - eight claws
teed bay sou - iron arm hand
mui faa log - plum flower falling
mui faa kune - plum flower fist
mui faa sou - plum flower hands
tong long tsuud dung - praying mantis exits the cave
tong long tou toe - praying mantis steals the peach
say lo bun daa - four routes running combat
laan dzeed - fencing block
fay ngaan dzerng - flying goose palm
yau ling - soft spirit
leen waan gum toe - chain link silky suite
dzuui law hon - drunken monk
law hon gung - monk martial art
sub lug lo - sixteen routes (16 ways)
dzuui daa dzerng - moon door guarding deity


28 total two man sets here is 6 of them

toe faa saan - peach flower umbrella
tou dzeeb - stealthy connection
paag ngon - slamming table
ling bung bo - understanding bung bo
tsaab tsuui duui daa - piercing hammers mutual parry
haag foo tou sum - black tiger stealing heart


weapons

ng long gwun (serng haa lo) - fifth son staff upper and lower routes

baad gwaa doe - eight trigram sabre

ng hung doe - five elements sabre

yeen tsing doe - swallow green sabre

dzuui dzou day tong daan doe - drunken on wine ground hugging single sabre

hub serng doe - combined double sabre

gwun dzung dai doe - army's midst broad sword (long handle two handed

yud lo mui faa tserng - first route plum flower

yee lo mui faa tserng - second route plum flower spear

dzee ng geem - high noon sword straight double edged

baad seen geem - eight deities sword

foo may saam dzeed gwun - tiger tail three section staff

dai soe dzee - big broom shaolin long staff

dai gwaan doe - big general gwaan broadsword long handle

tsud sing geem - seven star sword

gou dzeed been - nine sectioned whip

foo tou serng ngou - tiger head double hook

lug hub gwun - six harmonies staff


2 man weapons

hung sou duui daan - empty hand vs sabre

dai gwaan doe duui tserng - big general gwaan broadsword vs spear

yeen tsing duui doe - swallow green vs sabre (sabre vs sabre)

saam dzeed gwun duui daa - three sectioned staff mutual parry

saam dzeed gwun duui tserng - three sectioned staff vs spear

daan doe duui tserng - single sabre vs spear

hung sou duui serng - empty hands vs double daggers.

[GenKwan]

These are the essential forms from my tradition of TCPM. You can find the Chinese names for most of them in the others' posts; I don't make a point of knowing and/or remembering them.


Crushing Step (Bung Bo)

Four Way Running, Hitting Step (shirkers1's "say lo bun daa - four routes running combat" perhaps.)

Avoiding Hardness (daw gong - conceal the hard (as in soft) or Avoid Power ?)

Eighteen Ancestors

Punch and Jab (aka Spear Hand)

Lohan Skill

Small Circular Fist

White Gibbon Comes Out of the Cave

White Gibbon Steals the Peach

Plum Blossom Fist

Plum Blossom Falling fist

Plum Blossom Hand

Very Important Fist

Six Harmonies Fist

Seven Stars Fist

Interception Form

[Hua Lin Laoshi]

Just a quick question about southern influence in NPM. Southern influence in Wah Lum is a given considering Master Chan and Wah Lum both come from Guangdong province but why are there Cantonese names in other branches of NPM?

Such as:
say lo bun daa
sub say lo - 14 ways
bung bo - crushing step
sub baad sou - 18 elders
Chi Sao (Seven hands)
yud lo dzaag yeew - first route's essence
yee lo dzaag yeew - second route's essence
saam lo dzaag yeew - third route's essence
say lo dzaag yeew - fourth route's essence
ng lo dzaag yeew - fifth route's essence
lug lo dzaag yeew - sixth route's essence
baad dzaao - eight claws

[-N-]

Originally posted by Hua Lin Laoshi
[...]why are there Cantonese names in other branches of NPM?NPM came to America from Hong Kong with Cantonese speaking Sifu such as Brendan Lai, Peter Kwong, Al Cheng. Cantonese is/was more commonly spoken than Mandarin among Chinese here.

N.

[EarthDragon]

Bokfu, Just out of curiosity are you John Chang?
Also I was interested in a couple of the forms that you spoke about as I do not know them and would like to learn more about them.
4.) chuai yao 1 - section 1
5.) chuai yao 2 - section 2
7.) chuai yao 3 - section 3
8.) chuai yao 4 - section 4
9.) chuai yao 5 - section 5
10.) chuai yao 6 - section 6
11.) nien huai jang - continuing palms

for 4,5,7,8,9,10 and 11 what are the differences?

Also I have never heard of xiao or da being reffered to as cartwheel? always rolling or turning. Could you elborate please.

[yu shan]

This "list" is a very interesting question to me. My Shrye, Master Shr ZhengZhong has Mastered four complete styles of PM, see my triple W for his bio. I`d love to know our list of forms. Hopefully Tainan Mantis can give some insight on this. And from what I have seen, most of our forms have a partnered form to them also.

Very impressive list of forms from all.

[BeiTangLang]

KUP,Thanks for sharing so much as always!

Very good point about what forms are in what schools,..which is why I asked for the school/lineage to be added.

Thanks to all those that have participated in this thread by being willing to share this information with others freely.

This thread will remain open for a while longer, then it will be compiled into an easier to read listing.

Best wishes to all,
~BTL

[bokfu]

Earth Dragon,

First, I am not John Chang. He has been my sifu and good friend for over 8 years now. I met Sifu Chang while teaching instructor training in White Tiger Kung Fu (bok fu). He was a guest and asked to demonstrate his style. Being the teacher at the time, I was his attacker and spent the remaining class time getting up off the mat. The only other noticeable amount of time I spent was when I was up in the air while being thrown. The rest is history.

For your question of rolling wheel vs. cartwheel: In reality, a cartwheel or rolling wheel is similar in impression, but the difference is in the reasoning. It is not in the name itself, but in the technique involved. When referring to the forms as cartwheels, it is not named from the wheel off of a cart. Instead, it is the use of jing and technique, described by using a simple cart. Years ago, two wheeled, Chinese carts required a person to push down on the back end of the handles, which raised the front and then pushed forward like a reverse wheel barrow. This downward movement was translated into a type of downward jing, which used with the arms moving in a crossing, continuous circular motion as a wheel, created the name. A cartwheel off of a Chinese cart is our preferred name, because of the technique. A rolling wheel could be off of a car or truck, but we like to be reminded of the jing coming from the action required to use an old Chinese cart.

The chuai yao mentioned in our list of forms for ba bu tang lang are the actual "core" of our system. These are the heart of our style. Each one is a different form, but together make up one long, arduous form. A person would practice by starting in one spot, doing chuai yao one and nonstop finish with chuai yao six. When done, the person ends up in the spot where he began. So, these chuai yao are basically chapters of a book. Continuing Palms is a separate form and very similar to Chuai yao four. If you notice dai fan che pops up behind chuai yao two in my list. The list is in order of how our forms are taught. Dai fan che is more advanced than the first two chuai yao. So, dai fan che is not part of the basic chuai yao. (FYI, we may be posting a couple of the translated, standardized forms here in the forum. It will give 8 step students a chance to compare their forms' movements to what the true students of Grandmaster Wei consider the correct and accepted versions.)

By the way, some people think beng bo and lan jie are part of eight step mantis style, but when asked this specifically of Grandmaster Wei, he said no. They are just forms which a lot of mantis styles like to play, including ba bu tang lang students on occasion.

I hope this answered all your questions, Earth Dragon.



Bokfu

[EarthDragon]

Yes thank you you did answer my questions. I believe I have heard of you, you live in san Jose'. As you may know I am a student of Shyun Kwan Long and am still piecing together what I was not taught by my shrfu. I am aware that possibly he was not taught what I am missing from Master Wei.
I am starting to get a base of techniques that Feng Hua Yi passed down and hopfully before I die I will have collected what I seek. I have had help fom people on this board to fill in the blanks. Im not sure if everything will be recovered from the original Chiang hua's system but it would be nice to gather to share with all mantis practioners world wide. I think tainan mantis has done the most complete work in this area and I commend him for that.