triple punch

[phoenixdog]

How many ways are there to do the triple punch?Is it designed for the outside always or can you do it on the inside?Can you use it against a haymaker?

[mantis108]

Just wondering if you mean Yi Bu San Chui (one step 3 punches) or something else like Cai San Shou (plucking 3 hands)?

Yi Bu San Chui, although basic, has a lot of lessons. It also depends on the style where the details change the apps change along. It truely is more than meets the eyes.

Regards

Mantis108

[phoenixdog]

Just as a question,meaning the very basic mantis hook,grab,punch and/or the hook,grab,pluck,punch.In mantis theory is this meant to be used only on the outside(outside the attacking arm) or also inside as in the case of a right haymaker?

[yu shan]

Hui Laoshi,

I know this exercise a couple of ways. I really enjoy it, even if it is basic. I`m pretty sure I understand what you mean about "details change the apps change along". Can you give me some of your insight on this? Is this exercise Plumflower or do most of the branches have this exercise? I remember hearing that Yi Bu San Chui was very old, what do you think? Sorry for so many questions, I`m glad you brought up YBSC!

Thank you in advance,

YS

[MantisifuFW]

The Yibu Sanchui is, IMHO, quite old. It can be found in most Tanglang Pai.

It teaches many things; moving from the spine, (jin), firm root and movement, trapping, (simultanious rather than consecutive trapping/ striking), the idea of feng, (sealing).

Anyway it is an essential practice. I agree with you that it is one of my favorite exercises.

I don't teach it in conjunction with cai, initially, though I teach it later that way. And yes, it can be MANY different techniques in concert with Luo Guangyu's 5X5=25 X5=125.

Hope it helps,

Steve Cottrell

[phoenixdog]

Thanks for the YBSC reference.Lots of info in this forum on this subject.Would seem that in mantis,the ability to seal would dictate the hook,grab,punch stratagem.

[mantis108]

Thank you Yu Shan the questions and Sifu Cottrell for the insight.

First off a clarification: Yi Bu San Chui is not Hook grab pluck/punch. To confuse the issue further, Cai San Shou is different from Hook grab pluck but it has hook grab pluck elements in it.

Okay back to the Yi Bu San Chui

Yi Bu San Chui is basically 3 straight punches. It is similar to western boxing combination of jab Cross jab or cross Jab cross. Hence, my question whether that's the triple punch, which it seems that it is used here to say hook grab pluck.

Unlike the western counter part, Yi Bu San Chui makes use of the concept of trapping as Sifu Cottrell adeptly put. It also teaches the idea of coordinating with footwork in order to capitalize on taking initiative of both offense and defense.

Yi Bu San Chui is among the Jiban Quan or San Shi (numerous postures) of Tanglangquan. It is pretty much the first one that will be taught in most styles. However, this is not exclusive to Tanglangquan. You can even find that in Yip Man's Wing Chun first form Sui nien Tau (little idea) last section. They just do that in their goat capturing stance instead of our Hiking stance.

Now as for how old Yi Bu San Chui is? This is an extremely interesting question. In the context of CMA, Yi Bu San Chui as a combination is IMHO at least 450 years old. This btw is a lucky find. I recently met a MAist from Beijing who practices Fanziquan. He was looking through my notes as we first met, and he saw the term Yi Bu San Chui. So he immediately showed me his version, which is remarkably similar to Classical Tanglang's version, and he also wrote down his style's sonnet which contains the line "Yi Bu San Chui Shi Gen Yuan" (One step three punch is the root source). In other word's this is the mother of all combinations in Fanziquan. Now his Fanziquan Grandteacher or Great Grandteacher was a member of the Yihequan cult and later he worked as an escort. So this is very traditional and solid stuff. We know that in General Qi's Quan Jing, it mentioned Ba Shan Fan (Fanziquan). That article was written in mid 1550s. So it is safe to say that Yi Bu San Chui as a combination in the context of CMA history is at least about 450 years old.

Warm regards

Mantis108