Kimbo Slice lost a fight [Archive] - Kung Fu Magazine Forums

mickey

11-17-2004, 05:31 AM

Thank you Finny,

There obviously was too much money bet on that fight. It should have been stopped halfway through because both fighters were not in shape to go the distance.

Kimbro Slice had conditioning problems in the first match that we saw on this forum. Even though he won that fight he actually walked away from it, storming away. He did not have enough gas in his tank to finish it and that deficit came to haunt him in this fight.

Kimbro's condition was worse than the previous one-- his legs were SHOT. Both fighters should either improve their conditioning or retire.

mickey

Sim Koning

11-17-2004, 05:33 AM

who the hell is kimbo slice????

I just watched the clip. That was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in a long time.

mickey

11-17-2004, 05:48 AM

Kimbro Slice is the one with the protective beard.

He garnered some attention from an earlier fight posted on this forum.

mickey

Spark

11-17-2004, 07:12 AM

The best part about that clip was the gif animation of Jenna Lewis from survivor porn!!!

Kristoffer

11-17-2004, 07:19 AM

the crowd acted like a bunch of children. stay the **** off the fighters while the fight is still on.

red5angel

11-17-2004, 08:24 AM

dang, can't see the video....

Shaolinlueb

11-17-2004, 08:37 AM

as soon as KS got trapped in that first headlock, his people were all like let him go interfering, and pushing the other guys people away. then when kimbo got free they were all about letting the fight continue. :rolleyes: those guys are both tough Mother suckers.

best part is sean has a NAGA shirt on. :cool:

www.nagafighter.com

IronFist

11-17-2004, 09:19 AM

I can't view the fight at work. Someone tell me about it :)

Finny

11-17-2004, 10:21 AM

Pretty poor fight, really - quite dissapointing having seen Kimbo's first one.

I agree with the others - it should've been stopped a couple of minutes in - not because anyone was totally dominating, more because Kimbo was so gassed he could hardly stand upright.

Pretty poor performance all round really - sloppy, schoolyard type of fight - complete with interfering fools on the sidelines.

mickey

11-17-2004, 04:10 PM

Back from work,

It appeared that the fight was to be only stand up fighting: punches only. The only inteferance only came when Sean trapped kimbro in a headlock and when Sean started to use knees.

mickey

PHILBERT

11-17-2004, 04:34 PM

Posting that video is illegal supposedly. The people who made it are selling it, and since they own the rights, its there choice to sell or distribute for free.

CaptinPickAxe

11-17-2004, 05:41 PM

Kimbo fought Sean Gannon. Nice guy. He's starting a medical fund over on MMA.TV to help out Kimbo.

IronFist

11-17-2004, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe
Kimbo fought Sean Gannon. Nice guy. He's starting a medical fund over on MMA.TV to help out Kimbo.

What? Did he get beaten that badly that he needs a medical fund? Post a link.

IronFist

11-17-2004, 06:31 PM

I'm home and I can see the clip now. All the guys on the side were wearing skull caps. That seems to be the trend in MMA now. All the guys wear those tight skull cap hats.

IronFist

11-17-2004, 06:43 PM

When Kimbo backed Sean into the short wall that one time he could have broken his back if he bent over it backwards :eek:

What was the point of counting so high? I thought 10 was a knock out. How do you determine when the fight is over? Kimbo would kinda get back up and then Sean would start pounding him again.

Also, did you see the lumps on Seans face? ****. His forehead had a lump the size of my fist on it.

Do these guys have conditioned hands? I thought punching someone in the face was supposed to break your hands. These guys did it over and over.

IronFist

11-17-2004, 07:03 PM

Pic of the bump on Gannon's face afterward.

****.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/Bigshow/gannon.jpg

Shaolinlueb

11-17-2004, 07:15 PM

counting to 30 is old school abreknuckly fighting.
mma.tv lol.... :) :o

CaptinPickAxe

11-17-2004, 07:33 PM

Here's that link. (http://www.mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=514173&FID=1&p=17)

Even if he had several minor injuries that needed a little medical attention, if he has no insurance then it can add up. That's why I'm sporting a broken nose...no insurance. No cash.

Chang Style Novice

11-17-2004, 08:29 PM

Posting that video is illegal supposedlyThe entire fight was illegal DEFINITELY.

LEGEND

11-17-2004, 09:42 PM

"When Kimbo backed Sean into the short wall that one time he could have broken his back if he bent over it backwards"

The rules said NO GRAPPLING but as you can see instinct took over and Kimbo went for the shots while Sean defended it.

"What was the point of counting so high? I thought 10 was a knock out. How do you determine when the fight is over? Kimbo would kinda get back up and then Sean would start pounding him again."

OLD SKOOL barenuckle boxing rules.

"Also, did you see the lumps on Seans face? ****. His forehead had a lump the size of my fist on it."

I have done bareknuckle ONCE. And it was horrible...u get cuts and hugh lumps on your face! But it looks worst than it is...with the bigger boxing gloves u have more KOs.

"Do these guys have conditioned hands? I thought punching someone in the face was supposed to break your hands. These guys did it over and over."

Genetics in some people. I'm small 5ft 7 and 165lbs. I have bad hands...sum1 like Tyson has broken his hand before in a real fight with Mitch Green. But a guy like George Forman would kill people in real fights.

Serpent

11-17-2004, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
The entire fight was illegal DEFINITELY.
That's ridiculous. How can you call it illegal if two people consent to fight? Why does everything have to be coverred by law these days!? :mad:

diego

11-17-2004, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Serpent
That's ridiculous. How can you call it illegal if two people consent to fight? Why does everything have to be coverred by law these days!? :mad: you can't prove who consented and these types of fights are usually run by criminals according to history so you hate a guy make him fight you on camera...kill him and claim it was consentual but really it was onsome extortion shiat

sure it's happenned and prolly why shiat like this is illegal:)

Serpent

11-17-2004, 11:39 PM

Yeah, that's why you have two people sign a consent form. Everything is open to corruption, but every time one person does something fukced up like that, a million people are suddenly subject to reams of new legislation. Pis$es me off.

In case you can't tell, this is a bit of a personal bugbear of mine! ;)

:mad: Nanny State! :mad:

Chang Style Novice

11-18-2004, 12:13 AM

Nope. It was an illegal fight because it was not sanctioned by a governing commission. These "nanny state" institutions make sure that rules are followed, doctors and whatever other safety standards apply are on hand, and of course take a piece of the action in the form of license fees and so on.

The participants may agree to the fight, but fighting in and of itself is illegal unless it's a sporting event. This may have been a sporting event in spirit, but certainly under the law it was simply a pair of guys committing assault upon each other.

All of the above doesn't even address the issue of gambling on the event, which probably would merit extra charges against the fighters, their managers, and the spectators. The state gets a piece of that action, too, in exxchange for regulating the activity to prevent fraud, graft and so on.

In theory, at least.

GunnedDownAtrocity

11-18-2004, 12:36 AM

is the dude still a cop then?

i mean it would be different if his cheif or whatever had heard about it, but .......

Chang Style Novice

11-18-2004, 01:17 AM

Wow, that's a good point and one that didn't occur to me.

Either I'm all wet here, or that guy's in some serious trouble.

sihing

11-18-2004, 01:47 AM

That's what I was thinking as soon as I heard that Sean was a cop. What the hell is a cop doing in a illegal barenuckle fight? Must be ego or something.

James

Serpent

11-18-2004, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Nope. It was an illegal fight because it was not sanctioned by a governing commission. These "nanny state" institutions make sure that rules are followed, doctors and whatever other safety standards apply are on hand, and of course take a piece of the action in the form of license fees and so on.

The participants may agree to the fight, but fighting in and of itself is illegal unless it's a sporting event. This may have been a sporting event in spirit, but certainly under the law it was simply a pair of guys committing assault upon each other.

All of the above doesn't even address the issue of gambling on the event, which probably would merit extra charges against the fighters, their managers, and the spectators. The state gets a piece of that action, too, in exxchange for regulating the activity to prevent fraud, graft and so on.

In theory, at least.
Too much legislation and not enough Darwinism in my opinion. ;)

Spark

11-18-2004, 06:44 AM

well isn't there like something like $5-10,000 up for grabs if you can beat kimbo slice?

Last time I checked cops aren't rollin in the money.

Shaolinlueb

11-18-2004, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Spark
well isn't there like something like $5-10,000 up for grabs if you can beat kimbo slice?

Last time I checked cops aren't rollin in the money.

especially boston cops. and its mass i doubt anything would happen to him. anyone have the link to kimbo slices homepage?

yutyeesam

11-18-2004, 09:06 AM

just cuz cops enforce the law don't mean they follow it.

GunnedDownAtrocity

11-18-2004, 12:16 PM

well right, but most dont video tape themselves breaking it for everyone on the interweb either.

IronFist

11-18-2004, 12:25 PM

Kimbo Slice has a homepage?

Shaolinlueb

11-18-2004, 02:33 PM

well a message board.

IronFist

11-18-2004, 03:47 PM

This is all really more helpful if you guys post links.

Finny

11-18-2004, 06:25 PM

Why is it illegal for two guys to agree to beat on each other a bit??

Does that mean that sparring in MA schools is illegal??

Where is the line drawn?? Bareknuckle? What about MA schools that spar bareknuckle? BJJ?? Is rolling illegal?? Is it illegal if it gets a bit out of hand and an armbar breaks a guys arm?? What about being choked out? Everyone's had that done to em - is that assault???

Give me a break - for a criminal charge to be filed, someone would have to press charges right - as in one of the guys who signed a consent form would have to press charges against the other man for assaulting him. If he doesn't - no criminal offense has been committed - cept for the whole gambling thing - but lets see you prove that.

GunnedDownAtrocity

11-18-2004, 07:33 PM

they don't have to press charges on eachother ... the state can press charges on everyone from the organizers to the fighters to anyone there to watch the fight if they want. especially since its all on tape.

Finny

11-18-2004, 07:46 PM

What sort of charges though??

Like I said - where do you draw the line??

Is sparring illegal? Are BJJ guys rolling illegal? They do it 'bareknuckle'.

Who are they going to charge with what? besides the gambling charges, which I can perfectly understand, what could they charge anyone with? I would've thought assault would be the only thing - and Im pretty sure that requires a complainant to press charges, doesn't it?

Chang Style Novice

11-18-2004, 08:25 PM

I'm no legal expert, but the charge would probably be something like 'promoting a non-sanctioned professional sporting event.' Like I say, the state wants their cut. School sparring isn't holding a sports event, it's in the context of a class and therefore escapes prosecution

lkfmdc would know more about this, since he's been recently fighting a measure in nyc to ban many martial arts tourneys.

GunnedDownAtrocity

11-18-2004, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Finny
What sort of charges though??

Like I said - where do you draw the line??

Is sparring illegal? Are BJJ guys rolling illegal? They do it 'bareknuckle'.

come on man .... there's video in this case.

Finny

11-18-2004, 11:32 PM

Video of what??

Like I said - what are they gonna charge them with??

Promoting a non sanctioned sporting even would have to prove the 'promotion' part - that is, that it was a promoted even that people paid to get in to.

I'm no expert, and I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just don't know what you guys think was so illegal about it.

IronFist

11-18-2004, 11:34 PM

Hi, someone post a link to Kimbo's website.

Thanks.

Shaolinlueb

11-19-2004, 07:07 AM

http://p214.ezboard.com/bkimbosliceforum

there you go :D

Chang Style Novice

11-19-2004, 11:14 AM

Finny -

how hard is it for you to believe that in the US, fighting is discouraged by law enforcement, except under certain special and specific circumstances?

In Australia, if cops see a fight don't they break it up?

Finny

11-19-2004, 07:18 PM

Yeah, but there's a bit of a difference between cops breaking up a FIGHT on the street, and two guys having a MATCH in a closed door environment.

Like I said

What are they gonna charge them with??

Knifefighter

11-19-2004, 08:12 PM

The Dog Bros held their gatherings at a public park for years with uniformed police watching... and they fought with weapons.

Finny

11-20-2004, 12:57 AM

exactly my point - where do you draw the line?

Ford Prefect

11-20-2004, 06:58 AM

Why is it illegal for two guys to agree to beat on each other a bit??

It's illegal when money is given to the participants for the fight. That turns it from a "sparring match at an MA event" to an unlicensed, unsanctioned professional fight, which is illegal in every state I'd imagine.

BTW, the dude that beat Kimbo trains at my old school. heh. I was suprised when I saw all those dudes posting about it on MMA.tv. I'm not sure if it's been posted, but you can buy the fight at whoopass.tv.

MantisFistMonk

11-20-2004, 06:03 PM

The state-reservation this took place in in Florida, and in Sean Gannons own words as far as I know, is that the fight was 100% legal at the location it took place.

Gannons a Boston Cop so I'm sure he knows his stuff.

Please don't post the link to the video either. You can watch it at whoopass.tv if you want to, it costs 10 dollars, and a DVD will be put out soon if you would like to buy that instead.

All the proceeds of buying the fight go to Gannon who put up his own money and rent to make this fight happen.

Also, that Kimbo Slice forum is not real from what I heard.

According to the fights rules that were written down, the knees and standing guillotines were legal. The GnP was not.

There was nothing in the rules that said standing submissions weren't allowed, and that the fighters may not kick eachother with their shins or feet.

Technically Gannon fought 100% legal and never broke the rules, and if I remember correctly he said it was not his fault if Kimbos camp was ignorant to the sport and did not make the rules more clear.

There's also rumors going around that K1 has contacted Gannon.

Disclaimer : This is all information I've acquired on the internet and researched enough to be convinced that it is all correct and from credible sources. But then again, this is still the internet.