How many times to you hit your wallbag?

[IronFist]

Come guys, what's the info? What strikes do you train? How much do you hit it? 50 times a day? Or 10,000.

And, of all the cool kung fu training devices, which is your favorite? I swear I've seen the coolest stuff on old school kung fu movies. Strange contraptions made of logs that you jump around on (i'm not talking about plum blossom poles), some have moving parts that trap your legs if you mess up. Other's have spikes to stab you if you fall down. One guy had a log hanging from a tree, and he would punch and kick it. What a badass!

Ok, I'm bored. Later guys :)

Iron

[Martial Joe]

Well I punch it normal..I only train my punch and sometimes palm strikes.
Recently I havent been using my wall bag that much but I used to hit it 300+ times a day wich isnt enough....watchman does like 2000...

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[Sihing73]

Hello,

If you are training to fight then you would need to punch the wallbag more than if you are just training for slef-defense and the art.

It is usually a good rule of thumb to perform about 1/3 of your total punches against the wallbag. So, using this formula if you punch 1000 times you would want to do between 300-330 punches against the wallbag. Of course the more the merrier.

Peace,

Dave

[IronFist]

What's a good amount to start with? like 20 a day and work up? adding 10 per day or something?

Thanks,

Iron

[Ish]

When i firs started with a wall bag i did about 50 but now i try to do a lot more. I punch at different distances from the wall, its really improved my 1" punches.

[sumyoungdummy]

I try to punch the bag every day! The first thing I make sure is that I use the proper technique and energy. I start by hitting the bag while in the triangle stance 100x. I then move on to all the basic stances and punch the bag 100x for each stance. A total of 700. I then finish it off by punching the air 400x to elongate the muscles in my arm. 200 face level and 200 chest level. I find hitting the bag a great way to condition my fist so that if I have t0 punch someone in the face my fist can withstand the impact and not crumble. I don't use any type of dit da jow. ;)

[IronFist]

no jow eh? are your hands visibly different as a result of your training now?

Iron

[Martial Joe]

What does the wing chun punch do for your muscles :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Ish]

IronFist I don't use any type of dit da jow either and my hands are fine.

Martial Joe Doing just about anything exercises your muscles, a wing chun punch just means you cand punch well.

[sumyoungdummy]

By hitting the bag for over a year callous has developed over my knuckles. My hand doesn't look bad at all only a martial artist would notice that I'm constantly hitting something with my hands. I don't use jow because I don't know much about the side effects that some herbs in the jow might have. It's hard to know what your'e getting in the jow. Plus I don't think I need it. Maybe someone will convince me that I do?

I don't use my full range of motion when I hit the bag therefore when I finish I punch in the air. Punching in the air stretches the muscles in your arm. I don't really elongate the muscles. By fully extending my punches in the air I use and maintain my available full range of motion. It also helps develop muscle memory besides other important things. :eek: :eek:

[whippinghand]

until my knuckles bruise.

[Printer]

Currently I do not use a wall bag.

I am currently striking either air or a hanging pillow case. All punches are verticle punches in a series of three: 2 regular (elbow bent) and one hip (fully extended - but not hyperextended).

As for how many - I do not and have not counted at this time. I currently do three sets for two minutes with one minute rest in between, punching non-stop. My current goal is to get to three sets of five minutes with thirty seconds between each.

[Sharky]

the fabric of my bag is kinda harsh - i just rip the skin off if i do too many. Is this on purpose to roughten the skin there? Or do i need jow? I use it a lot, but i wear my weightlifting gloves to stop my skin from coming off...

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[whippinghand]

Your problem does not lie in the bag. It lies in the way you punch. Basically, the alignment of your punch is wrong.

[joy chaudhuri]

This isnt the JKD list-is it?I am amazed at what I am reading about bag punching.Some of you are asking for future joint
troubles. A wall bag is NOT for power development..
correct air punching helps with that. A wall bag is for double checking on proper bone alignment and
toughening the hand. Ergo,dont use too much power,
dont tighten muscles and use good jow before and after.Good wing chun kung fu is about learning how to release the power that is developed from proper alignment with minimal long run damage to oneself.

[Martial Joe]

Sharky...your scraping(sliding across the bag instead of going totaly into it)...
If you do that hard enough it can be like rubbing sand paper on your fist...

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[Jeff Liboiron]

I don't have a wall bag, i punch my mook jung and shadow box. :)

[Ish]

Do you find theres many benefits in punching your mook jung, can you punch with full force. I tried it a few times when using a dummy and i could only punch a few times before my hand hrt a lot so i went back to using a wall bag and pads etc

[Dave Farmer]

Usually, I go through a counting set
singles 1 to 10, Doubles 1 to ten up to 5's 1 to ten. this is for 150 punches. This is repeated 3 times.

Distance I work from is enough to give penetration into the bag,without hyperextending the elbow.

A good jow helps in the initial conditioning.

How do you fellas fill your wall bag ?

I have 2: 1 filled with dried beans, 1 with fine dry sand (luckily I live on about 2 mins walk from the beach and have an inexhaustable supply ;) )

Also like to work on Jik Jeung and other palm strikes on the bag.

Regards

Dave F.

'wing chun men do it with sticky hands'

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I hit the sandbag 1-2 times per second, for 30 to 90 minutes, i.e. 1800 to 10800 times per session. Mostly straight punches, with some palms and forearms thrown in for variety. I do it approximately once a week.

[Martial Joe]

Thats nuts...

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[Jeff Liboiron]

Well, i wear gloves when using my mook jung so i don't destroy my hands. But what i mean is i hit it when i'm working out on it along with all the other patterns i do. i do punch it full force, but my gloves absorb most of the impact, so my knuckles get good conditioning without getting damaged :).

[Slayer]

When I train on the bag, I train all my strikes. For conditioning it hit the sand bag for about and hour and I switch to differnt strike within that hour. For those who don't know the pag does develope power. The steel shot bag helps develope powe and lots of it. I hit that about 5 minutes a strike per hand

[whippinghand]

Hitting the wooden dummy with "full force" is NOT training power.

"Full force" is a misconception.

[Sharky]

okay thanks guys, i'll experiment tonight with straightening my punches up. But, do u still need jow? Or do you all practice without jow?

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[Martial Joe]

I never used jow...and my sifu doesnt...

If you do wing chun correctly you wont be hurting yourself...
Just freshen up your punches a bit and you will be fine...

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I don't use jow. If you looked at my hands, you'd think "surgeon", not "Shaolin Master Killer". ;)

My Wing Chun punch is not a floodlight, it is a laser beam.

[whippinghand]

has nothing to do with whether you do it right or wrong, nor whether you hurt yourself.

[Martial Joe]

Fill me in...
What is it for?

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[whippinghand]

Why do you do Siu Lim Tao, slowly?

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So that the jow salesman will take a look, decide "nah, he is too puny to practice martial arts", and quickly move on to the next sucker. :)

[Martial Joe]

WH~I do SLT slowly to get a better root.To get more power,to get more speed,and to just make the foundation of my wing chun a whole lot better...

Is this what your saying jow is for?
Kinda seems like it...

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[whippinghand]

How do you get more power?

[Martial Joe]

By practicing my stance that slow and fealing the energy doing this all in the right sequence ,good form(structure and positioning) and very very relaxed...I get better cowardination and that is what give my movements more power...and doing slt slow really ties into the other forms it helps you be able to stay in a sunk stance durring all the other forms...which leads to real power...


why did you ask?

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[This message was edited by Martial Joe on 10-18-01 at 08:27 PM.]

[whippinghand]

What energy? How do you achieve this energy?

[Sharky]

you are SO anal

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[whippinghand]

So sorry, if I made you think.

[Sharky]

you made me think "what a tit"

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[joy chaudhuri]

IMO, you really dont need to be offensive(anal-tit etc usages)in order to discuss wing chun.

[Sharky]

it helps if people write more than 5 words too.

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[joy chaudhuri]

"Fill me in...
What is it for?"
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IF you are doing much palm bag work(hope you are not hitting ot hard)- using good jow before and after is important in order to minimze the chances of long run damage to the hand.The dangers may not be self evident on the short run.
Light tapping motions on the bag encourages the body to make its own adjustments for the task at hand. Jow can "toughen"the skin against cuts, bruises and bacteria(alcohol base).It can help in lubrication of the joints when properly rubbed
in. It can help with energy flow into and through the used and impacted areas. Of course consult a good sifu or a good TCMA person. And-wash your hands after the jow has been left on for a while after exercise and before eating.
Most palm jows are for external use only.

[Sharky]

what about on your knuckles for use when punching? should you use any jow then?

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[This message was edited by Sharky on 10-21-01 at 04:13 PM.]

[joy chaudhuri]

"what about on your knuckles for use when punching? should you use any jow then?"
---------------------------the jow is for bag punching and palm...knuckles etc. When and if you use your knuckles in real life(hopefully never-
depends on yuanfen)the prior jow usage and training will minimze the chances of damage.... much depends on what you contact and how. Old time western boxers used to toughen their hands in many things including brine.Many modern boxers by pass the old routines and indeed damage their hands. Brittle hands in pugilism are well known.

[whippinghand]

I think you should be moderator.

[Martial Joe]

yuan fen~I know what Jow is for...re read the posts and you will see why i said that...

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[whippinghand]

re-read the posts and you will see that you do NOT know what the jow is for...