Jackie Chan's NEW POLICE STORY

[GeneChing]

This is the best Jackie Chan movie I've seen in years. It's brand new - released in September of 2004. One of our regular freelancers, August West, will have a full review on the e-zine next week. But if you just want to see for yourself, we got the double disc DVD just in!

Jackie Chan's NEW POLICE STORY (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) Put it on your holiday gift list! :cool:

[GeneChing]

We just got Jackie Chan's NEW POLICE STORY (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) on DVD in stock, just in time for the holidays. The film was released in Asia in September 2004 and there are no plans to distribute it in America at this time. In fact, Jackie has said in interview that he's trying to block it because the American distibutors have done so poorly in the past. The best part? This movie rocks. It's the good old Jackie Chan we know and love - big stunts, big fights, big fun. In my humble opinion, it's the best movie he's put out in years. One of our freelancers, August West, will have an e-zine review up for us by next week, but our first shipment is in now, with a second shipment to come in next Tuesday. This has got to be the best martial arts stocking stuffer ever! Tell your friends, ask Santa, shop MartialArtsMart (http://www.martialartsmart.com)! :cool:

[Kymus]

Originally posted by GeneChing
This movie rocks. It's the good old Jackie Chan we know and love - big stunts, big fights, big fun. In my humble opinion, it's the best movie he's put out in years.

Sounds good, thanks Gene!


This has got to be the best martial arts stocking stuffer ever!

Can a DVD fit into an x-mas stocking (further, why are they called stockings? They're foot mittens!!), and when was the last time you got a DVD in your stocking Gene? :rolleyes: :D ;)



Tell your friends, ask Santa, shop MartialArtsMart (http://www.martialartsmart.com)! :cool:

Have you ever thought about borrowing the line from Army of Darkness and just rewording it a bit to: "Shop smart, shop Martial Arts Mart! (http://www.martialartsmart.com)"

[IronFist]

Are there any English options?

[rubthebuddha]

probably not, but you can count on an engrish option. :D

[Kymus]

Originally posted by IronFist
Are there any English options?

Good question.

I doubt we'll get lucky. :mad:

[Shaolinlueb]

engrish is the best option. i love the bootleg animes because of that feature. :D

[norther practitioner]

Will do.

[Shaolinlueb]

ill pick it up in china.

[Abstract]

Originally posted by IronFist
Are there any English options?

i know what jakcie chan sounds like when he speaks english & i hate listening to english dialouge that's obviously NOT the actors in question


i'd rather just read the subtitles, it's much more enjoyable, imo

did you try watching crouching tiger w/dubbing? it's hilarious...chow yun fat & michelle yeoh etc, with these strong english(=british) accents.....man....yes, in ancient china, the british accent was very prevelant... :p

just give me the original language as it was intended & i'll read the english translation at the bottom of the screen.

[GeneChing]

There are subtitles, but maybe you missed my comment earlier - Jackie is not planning to release this in America - so no dub version. Here's an interview with Jackie (http://actionadventure.about.com/od/celebrityinterviews/a/aa061004_3.htm) where he says he's not going to sell it. Of course, that might change... In addition, there's no subtitles at all on the special "Making of" documentary in the DVD we are offering (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) but it shows how they did the stunts, so you get the idea.

I should comment that this is the first Jackie Chan I've seen in years that is NOT suitable for children. Some of the violence is a bit too intense. That's quite a change for Jackie, especially when you consider the success of his cartoon, Jackie Chan adventures.

[David Jamieson]

That's quite a change for Jackie, especially when you consider the success of his cartoon, Jackie Chan adventures.

yeah but it's no where near as severe as what Bob Crane did! :D

[Shaolinlueb]

Originally posted by GeneChing
There are subtitles, but maybe you missed my comment earlier - Jackie is not planning to release this in America - so no dub version. Here's an interview with Jackie (http://actionadventure.about.com/od/celebrityinterviews/a/aa061004_3.htm) where he says he's not going to sell it. Of course, that might change... In addition, there's no subtitles at all on the special "Making of" documentary in the DVD we are offering (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) but it shows how they did the stunts, so you get the idea.

I should comment that this is the first Jackie Chan I've seen in years that is NOT suitable for children. Some of the violence is a bit too intense. That's quite a change for Jackie, especially when you consider the success of his cartoon, Jackie Chan adventures.

sounds like old school jackie is back. :D well a couple of his productions like gen x cops and stuff were a bit violent too.

[diego]

Originally posted by GeneChing
We just got Jackie Chan's NEW POLICE STORY (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) on DVD in stock, just in time for the holidays. The film was released in Asia in September 2004 and there are no plans to distribute it in America at this time. In fact, Jackie has said in interview that he's trying to block it because the American distibutors have done so poorly in the past. The best part? This movie rocks. It's the good old Jackie Chan we know and love - big stunts, big fights, big fun. In my humble opinion, it's the best movie he's put out in years. One of our freelancers, August West, will have an e-zine review up for us by next week, but our first shipment is in now, with a second shipment to come in next Tuesday. This has got to be the best martial arts stocking stuffer ever! Tell your friends, ask Santa, shop MartialArtsMart (http://www.martialartsmart.com)! :cool: Good ish Gene

[GeneChing]

It's sort of like Gen X cops meets Police Story.

[Shaolinlueb]

Originally posted by GeneChing
It's sort of like Gen X cops meets Police Story.

not bad. gen x cops was a pretty violent film, well nto anymore violent then say a chow yun fat movie. but compared to jackie chan movies those are violent. its good to see the old jacki back :D

[norther practitioner]

Well I liked both of those so I'm psyched

[GeneChing]

The Real Jackie Chan is Back in NEW POLICE STORY by August West (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=566)

[GeneChing]

Or at least, read our new e-zine review (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=566) and forward it to a friend as part of your holiday gift list ;)

[Shaolinlueb]

oh i so want to buy it but i will probably pick up 1-3 and the new one in china :)

[Shaolinlueb]

Originally posted by GeneChing
Or at least, read our new e-zine review (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=566) and forward it to a friend as part of your holiday gift list ;)

i read it. makes me want to get it even more :(

[18elders]

saw it last month. pretty good , he still moves great.
No english though.

[GeneChing]

I'm pretty amazed that Jackie can still move like he does. He's playing it a lot safer though, using safetly lines and such. You'll note in Police Story 2 when he's on top of the bus, he's just standing on top of the bus. In New Police Story, he's tethered. But that's fine. What he was doing before was just plain crazy. I'm glad Jackie takes some precautions now. The DVD (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) has English subtitles but not for the extra features. No worries, you can figure out what's going on without the English. It's a Jackie Chan movie, after all.

[GeneChing]

If you can't wait until China, you know where to go... (http://www.martialartsmart.com) :D Gotta support the ol' forum here. Imagine if we went offline - what would you do with your spare time?

[norther practitioner]

actually get work done...

I think thats the case for a large majority 'round here..

[Chang Style Novice]

I spoke to my friend who's a buyer at a local chain of video stores yesterday about stocking it. I even mentioned KFM as the place to buy it. Then he went online and looked it up at Poker Industries.:(

Worse, they beat your price by about $5.

[GeneChing]

...but we're more reliable. I've heard so many tales of woe from other online sites, especially HK distributors. Plus, consider the forum. You can think of that extra change helping to support this forum of ours. But do as you will.

[Chang Style Novice]

I'm not buying a copy for myself sight unseen regardless. But if I do buy one eventually, I'd buy through MAS. I even tried to get my man who will probably acquire multiple copies (for the various locations) to buy through you guys.

[GeneChing]

We do appreciate your support. We only offer our movie DVDs as a retail product, not wholesale, so I'm sure another distributor can beat our retail prices. The net is funny though, especially when it comes to HK DVDs and VCDs. There are all kinds of levels of distributors, so the lines between wholesale and retail for import get really blurry. I've met with several DVD importers. Some of them are pretty big time operations, supplying to Chinatown stores all across the country. Some of them are just private individuals working out of their garage. We've already seen the rise and collaspe of a few vendors over the rather short period that we've been offering DVDs. Our most important issue with any vendor is availability. When we offered Hero last year, before the great Miramax shut down, we had such a run on the DVDs that we went out of stock several times. That just won't do for our company. That's not the kind of service we like to offer. But DVDs are a tricky market.

Obviously DVDs aren't our speciality. We're a martial arts company and cannot compete with the likes of the big DVD distributors like Walmart, Hollywood Video, Suncoast, etc. That's why we don't even carry some classics like Enter the Dragon (http://www.martialartsmart.net/bruceleedvds.html), or even things like Kill Bill (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=482). Instead we focus on Asian distributed DVDs that are new and hot, like New Police Story (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) or classics that aren't in Walmart like Shaolin Temple (http://store.martialartsmart.net/dvd40021.html).

I understand about not wanted to invest in something you haven't seen. I will say this. I personally recommend this film. Now y'all know me here. I pitch a lot of stuff on the forum here because it's my job. But when it comes to new movie DVDS that we've offered, I've only really given my personal recommendation to three: Shaolin Soccer, Hero, and now New Police Story. I might have given a nod to Legend of Zu, too, but not as eagerly as these three. Of course, we were blocked from carrying all of those movies Soccer, Hero and Zu - and those are the only ones that we've ever received cease and desists for. After we got blocked, we got even more requests, but of course, that was too late. You had to wait for the American releases. Now that was actually better for some since they offered dubbed versions, but not as choice for the true collector. Additionally, I used to write for Hong Kong Film Magazine and have even penned a few film articles here (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=478) - I've been watching Jackie Chan since the late 70's (http://store.martialartsmart.net/dvd65221.html) and I'm a huge fan of his work. Of course, that makes me biased, but that also gives me a larger perspective of what makes a good Jackie Chan film. I won't say I've seen all his movies - I'm sure there's a few really old ones that I've missed - but I've seen almost all. I even sat through Burn Hollywood Burn just to see Jackie's scenes (and Eric Idle - it was like Monty Python meets Jackie Chan and it sucked). I found New Police Story very satisfying. It was so refreshing for me to see the Chan man back in action - minimal CGI, minimal wire fu, strong stunts and fights, not at the level of Ong Bak but come on, Jackie has like 30 years on Tony Ja. So put it on your Holiday list. ;)

[doug maverick]

man i was blown away with this movie, i can't believe that jackie can really do drama, and he did it well. i wish US film companies would let jackie do a film like that for us western fans, who are being punished for big US film comapnies dumb editing errors!!!

[GeneChing]

You forget that Jackie was trained for peking opera first, so he can act and sing. Same with Sammo Hung. He turns in a great performance in Heart of the Dragon and Crime Story, but most people don't think of them as actors with years of classical acting training from childhood.

[Odin of Wei]

Originally posted by GeneChing
You forget that Jackie was trained for peking opera first, so he can act and sing. Same with Sammo Hung. He turns in a great performance in Heart of the Dragon and Crime Story, but most people don't think of them as actors with years of classical acting training from childhood.
To be somewhat random I read I think from one of your publications that his dad was a spy.

What is up with that? I never knew that and you got me all intrested reading that... :D

[GeneChing]

That article was in the news section of our Sep Oct 2004 issue (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=531) - it was a short piece I did after meeting Jackie in SF for a benefit. Traces of the Dragon is a documentary on Jackie's life and family. He only shows it at benefits - the SF showing was for Self Help for the Elderly, an event that was supported by our non-profit branch, the Tiger Claw Foundation (http://www.tigerclawfoundation.org/) (you'll find it listed in the events section). Jackie faced a lot of hardship as a child. His family was broken up. His mom survived the rape of nanking (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=33702). His dad was involved in a lot of political turmoil. I highly recommend that documentary too, but Jackie only allows it to be shown at charity events. Jackie has given millions to charity. In my article, I talk about the huge charity concert he did in Vegas for his birthday.

There's a lot to Jackie Chan, a lot more than most people give him credit for. I think that's another reason why I support this movie so much. Despite being more violent than the typical Jackie Chan film, it has a lot of heart. The ending contains a powerful moral - true wude - and I find that very refreshing.

[Odin of Wei]

Originally posted by GeneChing
That article was in the news section of our Sep Oct 2004 issue (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=531) - it was a short piece I did after meeting Jackie in SF for a benefit. Traces of the Dragon is a documentary on Jackie's life and family. He only shows it at benefits - the SF showing was for Self Help for the Elderly, an event that was supported by our non-profit branch, the Tiger Claw Foundation (http://www.tigerclawfoundation.org/) (you'll find it listed in the events section). Jackie faced a lot of hardship as a child. His family was broken up. His mom survived the rape of nanking (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=33702). His dad was involved in a lot of political turmoil. I highly recommend that documentary too, but Jackie only allows it to be shown at charity events. Jackie has given millions to charity. In my article, I talk about the huge charity concert he did in Vegas for his birthday.

There's a lot to Jackie Chan, a lot more than most people give him credit for. I think that's another reason why I support this movie so much. Despite being more violent than the typical Jackie Chan film, it has a lot of heart. The ending contains a powerful moral - true wude - and I find that very refreshing.
Wait, Traces of the Dragon is the movie that is befiting elderly?

hmmm...


I saw this book called "I AM Jackie Chan" Just looked at the pictures, and for some reason he put one of him in drag. :eek:

[WanderingMonk]

Originally posted by GeneChing
Same with Sammo Hung. He turns in a great performance in Heart of the Dragon

oh, memories. that was a good movie. I am not sure if bejing opera training translate into acting directly. The make-up/mask of the opera forces exaggeration of facial expression to communicate emotion. In films, subtle expression are more effective.

[GeneChing]

Word is that the rights for Jackie Chan's NEW POLICE STORY (http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd10083.html) have just been acquired by Harvey Weinstein - that's right - the same Harvey Weinstein of MiramAXE. If you want to see the original, uncut and undubbed, this might be your last chance...

[norther practitioner]

Glad I got mine, and have watched it several times.. I like it, alot...

I hope they don't to to this what they did to the subtitles on Hero...

[Chief Fox]

Not good.

Not good at all.


In fact, very bad. :(

[golden arhat]

y is it bad ?

[Chief Fox]

y is it bad ?

Well, Jackie is really good at his usual stuff. But there's not enough of it.

Only a handful of actual fights.

No cool car chase scenes

Jackie attempts to act like a broken man, alcoholic and comes off really bad.

Slow pace.

It's just bad.

It hurts me to write this because I'm a big Jackie Chan fan.

Rent it if you must but don't get your hopes up.

[golden arhat]

can he actually play any other role besides a comedic one ?lol

[jethro]

I loved the New Police Story. I was surprised how it was a 'real' movie. Jackie in a totally diffrerent role was really cool. I get tired of him just being stupid every movie.

This is coming from someone who watches this stuff just for the fights also. While the action wasn't that great cause Jackie can't get away from that wire crap, I still really liked the movie.

[yutyeesam]

I didn't care for the film either. I am a huge Jackie Chan fan. He needs to do another Dragons Forever type of movie.

-123

[jethro]

FIrst of all, let me say that Dragon's Forever is one of the best movies ever. Great fights all the way through and a finale that no one could possibly be dissapointed about. Yuen Biao vs. Billy Chow, Jackie vs. Yuen Wah, Jackie vs. Benny...

With that being said, I actually liked Jackie's New Police Story equally as an overall movie. But like I said, the wires really bother me.

[golden arhat]

easily his finest work with legitamite acting, good story ,great comedy
it might sound like sacrilige but its my favourite

[Chief Fox]

My favorite Jackie Chan movie is Snake and Cranes arts of Shaolin.

But I really liked Who am I? too.

Then of course Drunken Master and Legend of Drunken Master.

So many to choose from.

New Police Story could have been an awesome movie. The story was a good one but I don't think that Jackie pulled off the broken man bit very well.

[Chum Kil]

Drunken Master II always comes to mind with Jackie.

[sunfist]

Yup, I vote for sucked.

[jigahus]

I vote for it sucked.

[Li Kao]

I wasn't too crazy about this movie, but it was certainly alot better than most of his more recent Hollywood forrays (Tuxedo, Medallion).

I didn't really buy Jackie as a depressed alcoholic and didn't care for the wire-work in most of the fights. I guess I will always be partial to his old school movies, especially the ones with Sammo and Yuen Biao. The stuff they used to do with just their own talent and imagination was awe-inspiring. I don't expect Jackie to be able to move like he used to, and I'll always respect him for what he's done, but his stuff just hasn't been noteworthy for years. I still own more movies by him than by any other actor though ... well over 30.

[doug maverick]

forget about seeing jackie at his top because he's past his prime

[GreenCloudCLF]

jackies best movies, IMO, are Snake and Crane arts of Shaolin, Dragons Forever, and Wheels on Meals (AKA Spartan X)

[Asian49ers]

I actually like the story line and how Jackie is trying different roles in the movie. He also express the Hong Kong landscape well, but it is just my opinion :)

[SPJ]

I actually bought the dvd.

The movie is alright. JC was always a comedian at heart. The wedding proposal was lame.

But the whole thing is about introducing the new fellow which played the son of the chief police. b/c he hated police which is his father. so he plotted against the police.

The new guy is now featured in many Chinese movies including the banquet or Ye Yan with Zhang Zi Yi. which dvd I bought last weekend and viewed.

:)

[FuXnDajenariht]

i liked it but the whole motivation was kinda weak.

"daddy didn't love me" :rolleyes: blaaaah....

[jethro]

The story was tired as hell but the style they used presenting it was good.

[Chief Fox]

The story was tired as hell but the style they used presenting it was good.
I don't agree at all. The pace of the movie was so slow. They spent too much time on the broken down cop routine and not enough time developing the characters. What was the point of the bad guys? They were just "Extreme" bad guys. Or X gamers. BAD.

Here's the story in a nutshell.

A. Jackie is super cop
B. There's a new kind of extreme criminal on the scene gunning down cops.
C. Jackie and his team go after them. His whole team is killed.
D. Jackie decides to alienate his super hot girlfriend and become a drunk.
E. Some unknow person comes outta nowhere and helps Jackie.
F. Jackie and the new guy fight the extreme criminals and win.

A. This part is totally believable. Jackie IS super cop.
B. Very little background here. The one guy hates his dad who is a cop and the others appear to be bored rich kids. Not a good excuse to kill cops in my book but what ever.
C. This is dumb. The should have had the whole place surrounded. Shot in smoke bombs. Tons of other stuff they could have done here.
D. His super hot girlfriend didn't even need to be in the movie. She had very little impact on the story.
E. Very little background here until the end and even that is weak.
F. So he and his whole team couldn't fight these guys but he and one other guy who isn't even a cop can. LAME!

Let's compare it to a movie with very similar story that I saw on TV this weekend and in my opinion was done much better. THE PUNISHER!

A. Frank Castle is a happy family man just doing his job.
B. He kills the mob boss' son.
C. The mob kills his entire family. Wife, kid, mom, dad, cousins, everyone. And they try to kill him.
D. They are unsucessful in killing him.
E. He gets mad. Really mad and sorta becomes a drunk. Some good lines here. Frank's friend: "Go with god". Frank Castle: "God's gonna sit this one out."
F. The Punisher arms himself
G. Sorta meets a rag tag adopted family that help him. There are scenes with these people that sorat tells their story.
H. There are scenes with the mob guys to flesh out their characters.
G. The Punisher, manipulates, infiltrates and kills the whole freakin mob.

Pretty cool movie.

[us0kch]

I don't agree at all. The pace of the movie was so slow. They spent too much time on the broken down cop routine and not enough time developing the characters. What was the point of the bad guys? They were just "Extreme" bad guys. Or X gamers. BAD.

Honestly, I can kinda see how the pace of the movie was slow, but when you compare it to a lot of the great movies he made back in the past, the storyline's were pretty horrendous. Like everyone here mentioned, back then, it was all about the fight scenes which were definitely great, but I think the development of this storyline for this movie has come a long way since his 80's and 90's movies. I would still take this movie over his hollywood failures like tuxedo, the medallion, around the world in 80 days, (or whatever it was) shanghai noon/knights, and even rush hour.

The broken down cop angle, I thought, wasn't a bad thing, considering if they fully made him a supercop in this movie from start to finish, the storyline and fight scenes would now be lacking even more. Also remember, Jackie Chan's in his 50's now, and with his list of injuries which are probably more then everyone posting in this thread combined has, while it is a bit of a disappointment not seeing as many or as long of fight scenes, they were still good. And while not totally original, the gang of X Gamers showed they love to make a game out of anything they do involving killing and robberies. Kinda twisted in a way....

Here's the story in a nutshell.

A. This part is totally believable. Jackie IS super cop.

By Police Story series standards, they have to make him that :p

B. Very little background here. The one guy hates his dad who is a cop and the others appear to be bored rich kids. Not a good excuse to kill cops in my book but what ever.

Now see, when I watched the movie, the pt behind Daniel Wu hating his dad who is a cop is because his dad was physically and verbally abusive to him all his life. I guess the angle for this was he eventually snapped and decided to take out his anger and frustration by killing all cops with his gang. *shrug*

C. This is dumb. The should have had the whole place surrounded. Shot in smoke bombs. Tons of other stuff they could have done here.

That could be a subjective argument, but sure the more smoke bombs, fire and guns available, the better! ;)

D. His super hot girlfriend didn't even need to be in the movie. She had very little impact on the story.

The only impact of the story she might've made was for Jackie to let the past go with getting her brother killed during the ambush at the beginning of the movie....
at least that's how I saw it.

E. Very little background here until the end and even that is weak.

Well, as long as the movie was, if they added more of this in character depth for Nicholas Tse earlier in the movie, we would be watching a 3+ hr movie like Lord of the Rings. I'd hate to have to get up to pause the movie for a pee break! :D


F. So he and his whole team couldn't fight these guys but he and one other guy who isn't even a cop can. LAME!

Again, the way I saw it in the beginning of the movie was him and his team were ambushed and it looked like they used the excuse and angle that they were over-confident in catching the gang and was therefore outsmarted causing everyone in Jackie's team to die except himself. Then comes the drinking! Nicholas Tse's character was a supportive role to get Jackie out of his rut and be the supercop that he is and known for by taking out the gang by beating them at their own game. While there is somewhat a lacking in fine details, I'd say its still an improvement. :)

Just my .02

P.S Thanks for the advice and feedback regarding my stiff hamstrings and quads thread. After 2 weeks away from class, my legs are back to normal again.

[SPJ]

Yes. It is true that after making several hollywood movies. JC decided to go back to his root/Hong Kong to make a movie about cop. The police story movies in the 1970s propelled him to internationally renown stardom.

Yes. People are always looking for actions/stunts and comedy in action in ALL of his movies.

His roles or public images are fixed or deeply rooted in the audience. So it will be very difficult to change it.

Well; hollywood movies are hollywood.

:)

[Chief Fox]

I don't agree at all. The pace of the movie was so slow. They spent too much time on the broken down cop routine and not enough time developing the characters. What was the point of the bad guys? They were just "Extreme" bad guys. Or X gamers. BAD.

Honestly, I can kinda see how the pace of the movie was slow, but when you compare it to a lot of the great movies he made back in the past, the storyline's were pretty horrendous. Like everyone here mentioned, back then, it was all about the fight scenes which were definitely great, but I think the development of this storyline for this movie has come a long way since his 80's and 90's movies. I would still take this movie over his hollywood failures like tuxedo, the medallion, around the world in 80 days, (or whatever it was) shanghai noon/knights, and even rush hour.

The broken down cop angle, I thought, wasn't a bad thing, considering if they fully made him a supercop in this movie from start to finish, the storyline and fight scenes would now be lacking even more. Also remember, Jackie Chan's in his 50's now, and with his list of injuries which are probably more then everyone posting in this thread combined has, while it is a bit of a disappointment not seeing as many or as long of fight scenes, they were still good. And while not totally original, the gang of X Gamers showed they love to make a game out of anything they do involving killing and robberies. Kinda twisted in a way....

Here's the story in a nutshell.

A. This part is totally believable. Jackie IS super cop.

By Police Story series standards, they have to make him that :p

B. Very little background here. The one guy hates his dad who is a cop and the others appear to be bored rich kids. Not a good excuse to kill cops in my book but what ever.

Now see, when I watched the movie, the pt behind Daniel Wu hating his dad who is a cop is because his dad was physically and verbally abusive to him all his life. I guess the angle for this was he eventually snapped and decided to take out his anger and frustration by killing all cops with his gang. *shrug*

C. This is dumb. The should have had the whole place surrounded. Shot in smoke bombs. Tons of other stuff they could have done here.

That could be a subjective argument, but sure the more smoke bombs, fire and guns available, the better! ;)

D. His super hot girlfriend didn't even need to be in the movie. She had very little impact on the story.

The only impact of the story she might've made was for Jackie to let the past go with getting her brother killed during the ambush at the beginning of the movie....
at least that's how I saw it.

E. Very little background here until the end and even that is weak.

Well, as long as the movie was, if they added more of this in character depth for Nicholas Tse earlier in the movie, we would be watching a 3+ hr movie like Lord of the Rings. I'd hate to have to get up to pause the movie for a pee break! :D


F. So he and his whole team couldn't fight these guys but he and one other guy who isn't even a cop can. LAME!

Again, the way I saw it in the beginning of the movie was him and his team were ambushed and it looked like they used the excuse and angle that they were over-confident in catching the gang and was therefore outsmarted causing everyone in Jackie's team to die except himself. Then comes the drinking! Nicholas Tse's character was a supportive role to get Jackie out of his rut and be the supercop that he is and known for by taking out the gang by beating them at their own game. While there is somewhat a lacking in fine details, I'd say its still an improvement. :)

Just my .02

P.S Thanks for the advice and feedback regarding my stiff hamstrings and quads thread. After 2 weeks away from class, my legs are back to normal again.

I guess that I just had high expectations considering he was back in Hong Kong. Ah well, I'm still a huge fan of his.

Glad your legs are back to normal. I bet they're even a bit stronger now.

[SPJ]

http://www.monkeypeaches.com/0603M.html#08B

http://www.monkeypeaches.com/0603M.html#06B

JC next movie: project BB.

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.jackiechan.com/films

a good link for Jackie Chan upcoming movies.

:)

[jethro]

I totally agree with you SPJ. I think people are expecting Jackie to be in a movie where he runs a guy over with a hovercraft or tries to kill himself doing a stunt where he falls from a clocktower, twice.

I thought the movie Georgous was great until it turned totally retarded in the final fight. New Police Story was just the right amount dosage of everything for me.

[Chief Fox]

I totally agree with you SPJ. I think people are expecting Jackie to be in a movie where he runs a guy over with a hovercraft or tries to kill himself doing a stunt where he falls from a clocktower, twice.

I thought the movie Georgous was great until it turned totally retarded in the final fight. New Police Story was just the right amount dosage of everything for me.

No, I didn't expect that stuff from this movie.

I did expect, a solid story line, decent character development, a good pace and a balance of action and drama.

Actually, I'd expect those same things from any action/drama.

I feel that this movie fell short in those areas. It could have been a great movie but it seems that with out all the crazy stunts, Jackie doesn't know what to do.

If he's going to play dramatic roles then I think he needs to give up some of his control of films. Let seasoned screen writers and directors do what they do best and let Jackie do what he does best. I'd think that we'd find that Jackie is a pretty good actor if he did this.

[jethro]

We will have to agree to disagree. It did have a couple of slow parts, but not enough to detract from watching the movie. I thought the directing job was good and I liked how stylish the movie was overall.

[golden arhat]

storyline for this movie has come a long way since his 80's and 90's movies. I would still take this movie over his hollywood failures like tuxedo, the medallion, around the world in 80 days, (or whatever it was) shanghai noon/knights, and even rush hour.


say what u will about all his other movies
but leave rush hour out of it
the rush hour (soon to be trilogy) was awesome
all his other hollywood stuff was crap

rush hour is just the best end of story

i havnt seen new police story yet tho

[SPJ]

I kind of like these holly movies, too.

There is a talk about "Shanghai morning" movie.

I dun like tuxedo. Because whoever wears the tux gets the fighting power. No practice necessary. ain't that convenient and you may take it off anytime--

medallion is like mystical fun. you have to die and then rise to eternal "life" like the pheonix etc.

Shanghai noon is just fun and fun or western fun with an indian twist, smoke too much you woke up with a wife! I like the horse/paint. Zhu Zhu and Da Da and sit--

Shanghai nite, there is a "serious" fight with Donnie Yan with the tiger claws--

80 days, fun fights on the market. test piloting the rocketing steam motor/engine flying craft---

--

:D

[us0kch]

say what u will about all his other movies
but leave rush hour out of it
the rush hour (soon to be trilogy) was awesome
all his other hollywood stuff was crap

rush hour is just the best end of story

i havnt seen new police story yet tho


I don't see Rush Hour as one of Jackie's "best." From a fight scene perspective, jackie's 80's and 90's hong kong movies blow rush hour's fight scenes away. Jackie didn't seem to have the full creative power to do the fight scenes in the rush hour movies because hollywood seems to go on a fritz whenever he does a simple stunt they deem "dangerous."

The one thing I will say is the comedic chemistry Rush Hour has over his other films; him and Chris Tucker are hysterical!

[Jimbo]

I finally saw it and did not like it at all. For me, it was boring to see him overacting in the crying/drunken jags that went on for waaaay too long. But probably what I really didn't like was that, unlike his older movies that had the old, familiar crew(s) that assisted him in his stunts (often stuntmen/martial artists with considerable experience in other action/MA films), it felt like it was up to Chan to carry the entire action. Although I will say the basic concept of the story was unique concerning the villains, IMO it wasn't pulled off very well.