WC newby question on Moy Yat

[draggin dragon]

I have been interested in learning WC for sometime now, but had no available schools nearby. I just learned about a school a little over an hour drive from me called "Moy Yat Ving Tsun."

I understand that Moy Yat is the name of the person who started these schools. A former student of YM.

Can someone explain to me what all of this means. Are there many variations of WC? How widely do they differ? What characterizes "Moy Yat" schools as opposed to other variants?

Thank You

[Vajramusti]

Time for Tom Kagan.

PS- You might visit David W"s Planet Wing Chun.
Has lots of website links including some Moy Yat
related ones.

[Vajramusti]

Time for Tom Kagan.

PS- You might visit David W"s Planet Wing Chun.
Has lots of website links including some Moy Yat
related.

[couch]

Originally posted by draggin dragon
I have been interested in learning WC for sometime now, but had no available schools nearby. I just learned about a school a little over an hour drive from me called "Moy Yat Ving Tsun."

I understand that Moy Yat is the name of the person who started these schools. A former student of YM.

Can someone explain to me what all of this means. Are there many variations of WC? How widely do they differ? What characterizes "Moy Yat" schools as opposed to other variants?

Thank You

May I ask who's class you went to see?

I've been in the Moy Yat system for only 6 months now, but have been in another Wing Chun system for 1.5 years.

You are asking about the variations of systems:
Many clubs claim lineage to a certain figure head. The differences are the interpretation of what their teacher taught them.

There are many Wing Chun lineages and families. To learn yourself of all these, check out http://www.wingchunkuen.com/who/index.html

What characterizes Moy Yat schools as opposed to other variants:
This is very hard to answer because some systems are subtley different and some interpretations are very different. I think what you need to ask is what can this system do for you. Of course training in the Moy Yay family, I would have to say that my opinion is as biased as a jeweller who certifies his own diamonds.

To get a better insight into the mind of Moy Yay, visit:
http://www.appliedkungfu.com/brice/my3.nsf/0/96BCB0797D81B0B886256EF9007DB51A?OpenDocument

Take care,
Couch

[SAAMAG]

A good book that may help you on that lineage would be "the wing chun compendium", by W. Belonoha

[Tom Kagan]

Originally posted by draggin dragon
I have been interested in learning WC for sometime now, but had no available schools nearby. I just learned about a school a little over an hour drive from me called "Moy Yat Ving Tsun."

I understand that Moy Yat is the name of the person who started these schools. A former student of YM.

Can someone explain to me what all of this means. Are there many variations of WC? How widely do they differ? What characterizes "Moy Yat" schools as opposed to other variants?

Thank You

There is no school in "mid usa" that Moy Yat started. You are probably looking at either a school of one of his grandstudents or one of his students. (There is also the possibility that it's just someone using his name without any affiliation, past or present. It wouldn't be the first time.)

Caveat Emptor.


What makes Moy Yat Ving Tsun different as opposed to the other variants?

Nothing.



http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21374

[draggin dragon]

Mr. Kagan,

I didn't mean to imply that Moy Yat himself began this school. It would had more accurate to say the lineage.

As far as there being no differences. I don't believe that for a second. Every individual learns, interprets, and applies the knowledge of their art differently. That applies to myself, you, and I'm sure Moy Yat. That is what makes us all individuals in the end. The differences may be minor, but there HAS to be differences in systems of differing lineages.

[Tom Kagan]

Originally posted by draggin dragon
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As far as there being no differences. I don't believe that for a second. Every individual learns, interprets, and applies the knowledge of their art differently. ...

If you wish to discuss Moy Yat's Ving Tsun, that is one thing. If you wish to discuss <Insert Sifu>'s Ving Tsun who may or may not trace his ancestry through someone you might be curious about, that is another. However, I purposely left out the apostrophe-"s" in my previous response.

A person once wrote me and asked whether Ving Tsun has ground fighting techniques. I gave a one word reply: "no." Not twenty minutes later, the person wrote a long and argumentative reply back. Feeling a bit ornery that day, I responded: "Yes, that's what I meant. It's the stand-up techniques that Ving Tsun doesn't have." The person actually wrote back another long and argumentative reply about the stand-up techniques! Still feeling ornery, I replied back: "Yes, that's what I meant."

Once I was with Moy Yat at his house. For whatever reason, we were watching an old UFC tape where Dan Severn was fighting Royce Gracie. After the fight, sifu started laughing and said: "They used Ving Tsun to make gay porn in pajamas and underwear." In his mind, he thought it was funny to remove the difference between the fight, Ving Tsun, gay porn, and sleepwear.

Another person once wrote and asked me what "camp" Moy Yat was from: the 100/0 weighting or the 50/50 weighting. I was amused and replied back that he was from the the 0/25/50/75/100/75/50/25/0 camp. The person got annoyed and responded: "I don't believe that for a second," just as you did.



You are entitled to your opinion and the perceived differences you seek. That's up to you. I, however, have too many things to worry about before I expend my efforts dividing the world into the "two camps." So, it is possible you'll have to look elsewhere than "Moy Yat Ving Tsun (no apostrophe-"s")" if you need to impose dualities.

Good luck in your search.

[reneritchie]

The main difference is that the MY family have Tom...

[YongChun]

There is no difference worth worrying about. All lineages have people who can make their stuff work. All of them have the same basic forms, sticking hands, some similar drills, the wooden dummy, the pole , the knife, some sparring, Tan sau , Bong sau, Fook sau, economy of motion, mobile yet rooted footwork etc. The TWC (William Cheung) and non Yip Man lineages differ the most. Even within anyone lineage you will see large differences because people are different. If you did a cluster analyisis on all the martial arts then all the Wing Chun styles would probably cluster together stronger than with another style of martial art. But some of the modern variants which could come from any lineage, might cluster together more strongly with BJJ , Thai boxing or MMA.


Cluster Analysis:

Cluster analysis is an exploratory data analysis tool for solving classification problems. Its object is to sort cases (people, things, events, etc) into groups, or clusters, so that the degree of association is strong between members of the same cluster and weak between members of different clusters. Each cluster thus describes, in terms of the data collected, the class to which its members belong; and this description may be abstracted through use from the particular to the general class or type.



Ray

[Tom Kagan]

Originally posted by reneritchie
The main difference is that the MY family have Tom...

LOL!

Yes, that's what I meant. Vive la diff&eacute;rence!



:)

[draggin dragon]

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[Theorb]

victor i vote for new award 4 u list "best polite insult" go to tommy


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[Ultimatewingchun]

That's better than no insult at all.