How come there's notta lotta noise about Indian Martial Arts?

[yutyeesam]

I mean, yeah, I know you guys all know about it, but the vast majority of martial artists in America I bet don't. Sh!t, even a lot of INDIANS don't know (definitely not the ABCDs - American Born Confused Desi...uh...Desi is a person of Indian origin).

I know there's debate whether or not Indian martial arts was the father to Chinese martial arts...but it's true, is it not, that Indian martial arts was around for a loooong time definitely as long as (if not longer than) Chinese martial arts.

So what's the deal? Do we need a Desi Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee? Actually, they are doing martial arts in some Bollywood movies, but it looks like typical movie kung-fu, I don't get the sense that they were doing Kalaripayattu at all. (eg see Awara Paagal Deewana)

All we really get a taste of is Aishwarya Rai (http://www.india-station.com/aishwarya/). She was interviewed on 60 min, last sunday. Granted she's hot, but she's not really a very good actress, and doesn't have awesome skillz like Michelle Yeoh or Zhang Ziyi.

What will it take for Indian MAs to get more noticed in America, and included into the canon?

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[Vash]

WTF? Links to navel pictures?
Now granted, she's got a nice stomach, but is there a navel fetish that I didn't know about?

[Vash]

BTW, Born Invincible is fukcing awesome. One of my favorite movies.

[yutyeesam]

dude, it's all about the navels over there. and i heard they use some concoction of pancake batter to make them appear lighter skinned.

[Vash]

Parminder Nagra (http://i.xanga.com/GreenOrbX/Parminder%20Nagra.jpg) is one of the most beautiful from India, or anywhere else for that matter.

[CFT]

Originally posted by Vash
Parminder Nagra (http://i.xanga.com/GreenOrbX/Parminder%20Nagra.jpg) is one of the most beautiful from India, or anywhere else for that matter. Born in Leicester, England!!

[mickey]

Greetings,

The people at Cold Steel had a video featuring the use of one of the rattan sticks that they were selling (lahti?). I saw more similarities than differences to Chinese martial arts.

I do remember watching a segment on Indian programming called Visions of Asia. There was this guy dancing and singing to music. His body postures were definitely martial and were reminiscent of some of the twisted Lohan and drunken postures: even playing the flute. It was amazing to watch.

mickey

[FuXnDajenariht]

i wanna know about Indian wrestling. specially Vajramushti. they used to own. some of the most feared wrestlers in the world. even Karl Gotch didn't think there was enough money involved to risk wrestling the Great Gama. hard to find info about it tho... i only really can find out about the influence it had on Tibetan Lions Roar, but not about the style itself.

hint... hint.... linkage? :D

[Mr Punch]

You could try asking this man (http://martial.best.vwh.net/forum/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=13242) ... he may know something!!!:D

[LeeCasebolt]

i wanna know about Indian wrestling. specially Vajramushti. they used to own. some of the most feared wrestlers in the world. even Karl Gotch didn't think there was enough money involved to risk wrestling the Great Gama.

I'm pretty sure that should be Frank Gotch.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by CFT
Born in Leicester, England!!

There's nothing hotter than an exotic women with an English accent. Nothing.

[MoreMisfortune]

dude, simply there is no noise cos of the reasons you pointed:
lack of media

well if movies dont do no good
another way is using it to win in mma - if it wins in mma it gets exposed

i personally dont know jack about indian MA xepct for maybe a bit of kalari... huh... however its called... indian kung fu
:D
that was shirtless dudes doing forms with some weapons and also two men stuff
they also did something with oil i think...

essentially, what would you say the indian martial arts have to offer to the public that is not found on another styles? or is it just a historical matter?

allow me to add... getting is exposed and too popular is not always good... just look at the many mcdojos and mckwoons and mcTKD out there

[red5angel]

who cares about Indian martial arts, Indian women are hot!!! If I had to pick a favorite nationality it would be a toss up between Israeli chicks and Indian Chicks. I'd probably swing to Indian chicks because Indian food is my favorite ethnic food.

[Starchaser107]

the martial arts i've seen coming from indian tv, all looks like bad kung fu or karate , I always hope to catch some indian martial arts but it's always some low budget b.s. crap.

[Shaolinlueb]

Tanushree Dutta is a lot hotter then both of thsoe girls

here (http://www.missuniverse.com/delegates/2004/images/portrait/IN.jpg)

3rd from right (http://images.indian-magic.com/tanushreemu/tanushreemu64.jpg)

[MoreMisfortune]

of those id **** the blonde on the right
the indian chick there looks vegetarian

[red5angel]

Tanushree Dutta is a lot hotter then both of thsoe girls

hell no, the chick to her left in that 2nd pic is way hotter. first of all that chick has no hips!

[Judge Pen]

I'll take the second on the left. What's her name?

As far as OT, in the movie "The Kama Sutra" there was a fight scene or two with Indian wrestling.

[Vash]

Originally posted by Judge Pen
There's nothing hotter than an exotic women with an English accent. Nothing.

I'm beginning to suspect that I am Judge Pen's evil twin.

And that other chick linked to, she ain't all that.

[Starchaser107]

third from left and third from the right are my favs.
yes i'm greedy
just try something!

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by Vash
I'm beginning to suspect that I am Judge Pen's evil twin.


Lol. Except you practice Isshin-Ryu karate and I. . . well who know what you call what I practice!

[Vash]

Originally posted by Judge Pen
Lol. Except you practice Isshinryu karate and I. . . well who know what you call what I practice!

Indeed. As I said before, I'm neutral to SD, but it can't be as bad as is claimed.

And Parminder Nagra is the end all, the be all.

Get over it.

[Starchaser107]

wont Jesus get offended with you talking like that Vash?;)

[yutyeesam]

Good pts MoreMisfortune...
It just struck me as kinda odd, cuz yoga is SOOOO huge. And I believe that Indian MA incorporates yoga in their curriic.

It's almost like Chi Gung being more popular than Kung-Fu.

And yeah, oversaturation definitely leads to the reduction of quality in an art. I suppose also, those Indians and westerners who do practice it, probably don't make a lot of noise about it, and try to package and wholesale it.

Now, regarding the women, guys, I can see where you're coming from, but being ABCD myself, I have a preference towards Indian chicks born and raised in America. I know a FOB (fresh off the boat) when I see one, and that's all you listed! Not a bad thing, just not MY thing.

I like my ethnic chix American, for example, Sheetal Sheth (http://www.sheetalsheth.com/photogallery.htm#)

[David Jamieson]

There isn't a lot of noise about it because of a couple of reasons:

a) Kalaripayit is not a hugely widespread martial art to begin with. It is localized to a relatively small region in India and pretty much non-extant in the rest of the world.

b) India, like most other places has martial arts, but they are the same as elsewhere and are the TKD and Karate that are popular everywhere else. Kalari, like Kungfu, is hard and student retention, especially to the level of high proficiency is rare.

c)Kalari is one of those arts that has recently been noticed because of the overall interest in MA and people looking for whats out there. However, because of the first two conditions it is not likely it will flourish beyond a highly esoteric level. It probably won't die out completely, but it is quickly going that route. It is hard to gain instruction in and is highly ritualized on top of that.

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by Shaolinlueb
Tanushree Dutta is a lot hotter then both of thsoe girls

here (http://www.missuniverse.com/delegates/2004/images/portrait/IN.jpg)

3rd from right (http://images.indian-magic.com/tanushreemu/tanushreemu64.jpg)

Hey, they even have video at the Miss. Universe site. Hours of entertainment there.

[FuXnDajenariht]

Originally posted by LeeCasebolt
I'm pretty sure that should be Frank Gotch.

lol yea. your prolly right. i wasn't sure and i figured i only had a 50/50 chance of being wrong. i get them confused.... thanks tho.

[Vash]

Originally posted by Starchaser107
wont Jesus get offended with you talking like that Vash?;)

I doubt it. Me and Jesus, we're cool like that.

Parminder Nagra is the end all and the be all.

Father/Son/Holy Ghost is/are the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.

But I'm not physically attracted the Lord My God.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by Vash
But I'm not physically attracted the Lord My God. That's odd. Jesus gives me a boner and I'm not even Christian.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by MoreMisfortune
of those id **** the blonde on the right


I'll leave this comment alone... it's too easy...

[Judge Pen]

http://www.eluniverso.com/especiales/2004/missuniverso2004/galerias/galeria02.htm

[sean_stonehart]

JP... no you may not meet her... save some for the rest of us... :D

[Shaolinlueb]

Originally posted by Judge Pen
http://www.eluniverso.com/especiales/2004/missuniverso2004/galerias/galeria02.htm

hmm yummy ;) :D

[mickey]

Here's a couple of links:

http://ernakulam.com/kalari.htm


http://library.thinkquest.org/11372/data/indigenous.htm?tqskip1=1


mickey

[MoreMisfortune]

Originally posted by SevenStar
I'll leave this comment alone... it's too easy...

did i say sumthin wrong :confused:

[rogue]

RED'S TOP TEN LINES HE TRIED AT A BHANGRA CLUB

10) I have 10 more silk shirts like this one.
9) Are you attached or unattached?
8) I know a great place where they serve "cholay" by candlelight.
7) You look as sweet as a "jalabee".
6) If I were a raja, I'd make you my rani.
5) How would you like to be my "galabjam"?
4) How're you doing my little laddoo?
3) Say, aren't you box 205, fair,slim, attractive and university educated?
2) "Oh kiddan, babe?" How's it going babe?)
1) "Tera pind kerha?" (Which village are you from?)

[rogue]

Two Singhs were sitting outside a clinic.
One of them was crying like hell.
So the other asked, "Why are you crying?"
The first one replied, "I came here for blood test"
Second one asked, "So? Are you afraid ?"
First one replied, "No, not that. During the blood test they cut my finger"
Hearing this the second one started crying & screaming.
The first one was astonished and asked other, "Why are you crying?"
The other replied, "I have come for my urine test."

Odd, I didn't know there were Polish Singhs.

[David Jamieson]

It is apparent that some of you guys have too much jing retention going on.... or...not enough. It's a fine line. :p

[FuXnDajenariht]

does aaanyone actually have any information about indian martial arts tho?

i dont mind a good picture gallery, but ****. i think its a conspiracy by the ORA people to keep all ORA threads off topic :p

what better way than to post pics of scantily clad foreign women.

[Starchaser107]

... :cool:

"i think its a conspiracy by the ORA people to keep all ORA threads off topic"

__________________________________________________ _

:: pulls out sniper kit ::

[Vajramusti]

Mat sez:

You could try asking this...
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Thanks Mat--- but from the posts I gather- the real interest is in navels, foods, bhangra and Sikh jokes(Rogue).
Have fun.

[MoreMisfortune]

it took me 5 mins to remember what navel is and i didnt understand any of the jokes

[FuXnDajenariht]

Originally posted by Starchaser107
... :cool:

"i think its a conspiracy by the ORA people to keep all ORA threads off topic"

__________________________________________________ _

:: pulls out sniper kit ::


lmao....who said that? :)











since we're posting pics.... im not much of a fan but holy****! she can't sing or act in my opinion. but i think im in love.....

this is what would possess sumone to throw a billions worth of insurance away....only a guy would, but if one time i can understand its now. lol

http://ruonthelevel.com/files/jennifer_lopez_ass1.jpg

http://ruonthelevel.com/files/jennifer_lopez_ass.jpg

drooool~~~ :p

so whaddya think my chances are? if i get her on just one date i think i can get a kid planted in her. ;) lol lock that thang down. i need a sugah momma in my life.

[Vash]

Considering that statisticians agree she'll have married everything with a pneis in the western hemisphere in three years, you've got excellent chances.

http://www.jennylynnfitness.com/index2.html

Say thankee-sai.

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by mickey
Here's a couple of links:

http://ernakulam.com/kalari.htmInteresting... on that first one they are in a pose that looks identical to the sumo/sumai training stance sonkyo kibadachi. Of course what they do next, or what the purpose of it may be completely different... or it could be a related wrestling stance.

[Vajramusti]

Matt-

That is an elephant head training stance. Like good kung fu---
there are developmental routines in kalaripayat prior to fighting.


India was once full of hundreds of martial styles. Much decline took place with the coming of the Brits, the end of battles, the decline of rajas and nawabs who sponsored fighters.

The west particularly American have had their attention in military,
political and missionary matters more on the Pacific Rim than on India (just as well <g>).

Most middle class Indians one is likely to meet specially abroad
dont know much about India and are products of tunnel vision education. And television has played its role in introducing karate(ugh), tkd(ughugh). Does not mean that martial arts has vanished-
there are still kalaris and akharas, various rural training places and other places where different arts survive. There is kalari in Kerala and tamil nadu- several different versions, gatkha sword and stick play in the Punjab, various kinds of stick and lathi figthing in various places,
sword and weapons play, hand and kukhri work in Nepal and the
Gorkha land section of bengal, some musthi work around Benaras,
archery in Ladakh and manipur and some close quarters choking and garroting among thug groups, rural pit wrestling/kusthi(not on mats). Various forms of yoga provide some of the arts their
chi gung components. Marma shastra is alive and well among some good teachers- delivery to and knowledge of strike points.

Given social stratification the urban middle class is often out of the loop.

[rogue]

And television has played its role in introducing karate(ugh), tkd(ughugh). Well Joy at least you can bring WC over there and make if an ugh trifecta (ughughugh).

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by Vajramusti
That is an elephant head training stance. Like good kung fu---
there are developmental routines in kalaripayat prior to fighting...Thanks Joy, nice post. Do you know what this 'elephant head' stance is for?

Oh and BTW, have you heard of a warrior caste or family or tribe -based art called 'Naim'? I heard the name years and years ago on an old BBC programme about Indian martial arts, and I can't remember anything else about it...

I like the name elephant. It's a little poetic, but descriptive enough... and not as poncy as 'small hysterical monkey scratches nuts and picks his cherry' or something!

LOL Rogue!