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rogue
01-14-2005, 06:30 AM
And Xebs still wouldn't get lucky. (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18524823.800&print=true)

David Jamieson
01-14-2005, 06:55 AM
the hypocricy of it is what slays me.

Becca
01-14-2005, 07:22 AM
How would a bad-breath bomb make bad-guys more noticable than any other person? All they would have to do is claim someone stole thier tooth brush.:rolleyes:

Ming Yue
01-14-2005, 08:27 AM
I heard this on NPR this morning and I thought it was a joke....


well, it IS a joke, but I didn't think it actually came from the pentagon.

:rolleyes:


on another note, I have a subscription to New Scientist, I like it.

red5angel
01-14-2005, 08:43 AM
instead of "sexbomb" rogue, you can just say "ATTN: Red5angel" when you need to get my attention :D

SPJ
01-14-2005, 08:45 AM
Actually this is not new.

Any thing hinders or incapacitates the opponents will work to our benefits.

Mostly it is to cause confusions or disorientations. Make the guiding systems, radar, satellite and human eyes misled.

The fights between yellow emperor and tribes Tzu Yu 5000 years ago. They used fogs, camouflage as deers and cows, arranged trees and trails to confuse or disorient the opponents.

Sun Tzu has chapters on how to use landscapes and fires to confuse, disorient and to your advantages.

And yes you may use water as well.

Chemicals per se.

For example, you may make the opponents laugh so hard and not able to stand up and fight.

Make them dizzy, nausceating, numb, blind, weak, itchy, sleepy, diahrea, coughing, sneezing, fatigue on and on temporarily.

Pork Chop
01-14-2005, 08:48 AM
When an organization tightens its belt, people start looking for food.
Sometimes, if you need money for a program, you propose an unrelated idea in hopes that you'll find someone who wants to sponsor you.
7.5 million over 6 years is actually a laughable budget if research and prototyping are involved.
This proposal is not too far out of the bounds of reality, but you must understand the real purpose of it.

SPJ
01-14-2005, 08:53 AM
We have a lot of things readily available already.

For example mix Viagara in the water or food, the opponents have a high and not lethal dose of it.

The opponent is "hindered" and "incapacitated".

GunnedDownAtrocity
01-14-2005, 08:53 AM
they probably would make it a little more extreme than that, like you notice it with their mouth closed accross the room extreme, but then again im talking out my ass.

red5angel
01-14-2005, 08:59 AM
This proposal is not too far out of the bounds of reality, but you must understand the real purpose of it.



this isn't unbelievable by any stretch of the imagination. More paranoid types might insist this is fishing for other projects, it turns out a lot of money the government spends IS on testing new ideas or working over things that might be possible. while some of the ideas sound bizarre but if they work. Remember, these weapons are supposed to be morale effecting, something an enemy has to have to continue to fight effectively. If morale is an issue then the fighting effectiveness of a unit can be severely reduced

rogue
01-14-2005, 10:27 AM
Just think of the guilt and confusion the morning after. Then there's the one guy (red) who'll think he's died and gone to heaven.:D

red5angel
01-14-2005, 10:30 AM
YOU're the one calling me Sex Bomb, pervert ;)

Starchaser107
01-14-2005, 10:53 AM
**** that's odd

jun_erh
01-14-2005, 03:22 PM
the bombing begins in 5 minutes

WinterPalm
01-14-2005, 04:17 PM
I thought it was only the bad guys that used chemical weapons?
Has America joined the dark side?

red5angel
01-14-2005, 04:18 PM
who said it was only the bad guys?

WinterPalm
01-14-2005, 04:24 PM
Isn't that why America invades and points fingers?

red5angel
01-14-2005, 04:26 PM
what does that have to do with the bad guys being the only one to use or have chemical weapons? We just don't need anyone else having them, especially the crazy ones.

come on winterpalm, you can do better then that, for a troll I give it a .05

WinterPalm
01-14-2005, 04:39 PM
Don't call me a troll.

I'm sorry if I didn't come down to kindergarden for you...

If a country invades another country because they have weapons, say chemical weapons, then what use is it if the invading country does the same things that they are pointing the finger at the other country about.

Example: America is still building nuclear weapons even after signing treaties and such. Therefore, pointing the finger at Iran is worthless.

Example: America is the only country to have detonated a nuclear bomb on civilians during wartime. Once on a city of a country that had already surrendered.

Example: The US is currently dropping chemicals and biological agents over Colombia to kill off the cocaine crops and much of it has serious effects on civilians including children. Not to mention that almost if not all world markets are open to cigarettes which kill way more people a year than cocaine.

Example: The US routinely tortures civilians in Guantanamo Bay. Yet that is another reason for invading Iraq: they torture people but we don't.

Example: The US is developing new chemical weapons yet won't allow any other countries to do so. I personally think that no one should have them but if you are going to point the finger, you better make sure you aren't doing the same thing. No matter which god you've got on your side.

And please, don't condescend to me.



:mad:

Radhnoti
01-14-2005, 05:38 PM
Bottom line, in my opinion.

When the U.S., France, Britian, Russia, China and, yes even CANADA (not a complete list) protest other countries developing weapons of mass destruction, it's because they don't want others in that particular club. The next member may not have the restraint the others have shown.

Note that Saddam did not fall under the "restrained" category, as evidenced by his using nerve agents on his own people; torture of men, women and children; etc.

It's "wrong" because the big players get together and say so. That's the way of the world.

WinterPalm
01-14-2005, 06:21 PM
I don't think any restraint was shown was Japan surrendered and the US dropped another bomb on them!

SPJ
01-14-2005, 06:33 PM
It was "neccesary" to convince the Japanese Army that there are more A-bombs and will be dropped unless it surrendered unconditionally according the requests agreed up at Cairo Summit.

The fact was that there were no more A-bombs.

According to history channel.

SPJ
01-14-2005, 06:46 PM
Ever since then, people has fascination with bomb theory.

Which is to build a bomb that may end war.

But it may also end the planet, the living space we all share.

:mad:

rogue
01-14-2005, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by WinterPalm
I thought it was only the bad guys that used chemical weapons?
Has America joined the dark side?
You thought wrong. I have chemical weapons right in my home. It's called Lysol and kills germs.


Example: The US is currently dropping chemicals and biological agents over Colombia to kill off the cocaine crops and much of it has serious effects on civilians including children. Not to mention that almost if not all world markets are open to cigarettes which kill way more people a year than cocaine. FARC, look it up and their role in Columbian drug trade.


And please, don't condescend to me. But it's for your own good.

WinterPalm
01-14-2005, 10:12 PM
Just because of FARC, and whatever they are involved in, doesn't mean the US has the right to kill civilians in order to prevent crops from growing. The US provides a lethal crop and so does Colombia and I'm sure if the power was reversed, the Colombians would be bombing the US to destroy the crops that kill so many yearly. That said, the point is not to try and outdo the criminals by commiting even worse crimes, but to live up to some standards that are in treaties.

Becca
01-15-2005, 12:42 AM
Winterpalm- Do Canadian Police and military use tear gas? I'm pretty certain they do. Does that mean Canada has joined the "dark side"?



Ok. No more squabbling, M'kay? We Amaricans are now well and truely informed that the rest of the hypocrits of the world blame everything on us. S'ok. We have big sholders. Whine and throw out childish accuisations if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Robbie
01-15-2005, 11:40 AM
What it took until 1994 for someone in the gov't to watch Flesh Gordon;)

WinterPalm
01-16-2005, 02:37 PM
I don't think that the United States is too blame. There are many forms of governments and empires that have created their own problems and disasters. I don't assume that the elite in Canada is any better than the elite elsewhere. The use of coercive methods to control populations has gone on for a very long time and the fact that many Canadians are ignorant to the genocide done on our territory is a truely sad state of knowledge. The problem is that at the same time we are becoming very socialist and trying to broaden our eductation methods and medicine, the elite at the top are preventing this from happening and we are still a member of an elitist group or two that is concerned primarily with prepetuating the power structures that prevent a universal access to resources and wealth.
Is tear gas a chemical weapon? Definately. Does it kill people like agent orange? Sometimes it does.

Gowgee
01-16-2005, 09:13 PM
It's ironic that an institution with as many gay personnel as the US millitary actually considered using a "Gay Bomb". Sounds like a great way for the so-called inventors to come out of the closet though! ;)

Thomebody thtop the bombths! :D

SPJ
01-17-2005, 08:41 AM
There will be gas masks with filters and antidotes or anti agents available, too.

Or counter measures.


:D

Hua Lin Laoshi
01-17-2005, 11:13 AM
Ok, nobody in the world is allowed to learn Kung Fu except for ME!

BTW, I guess they figured the gay bombs would work in the middle east because they don't have any tittiebars to use as an antidote. :D

Radhnoti
01-18-2005, 08:19 AM
Winterpalm - "The problem is that at the same time we are becoming very socialist and trying to broaden our eductation methods and medicine, the elite at the top are preventing this from happening and we are still a member of an elitist group or two that is concerned primarily with prepetuating the power structures that prevent a universal access to resources and wealth."

I agree, it is a problem that anyone thinks socialism is a solution to anything. ;)
Power mongers like socialism, facism, communism...any "ism" that puts more power in the hands of government so it can be controlled. The problem with "universal access to resources and wealth" is that someone (eventually a selfish someone) has to oversee the mechanism for distribution. Most historical examples of this show that one of these people will use their position to gather more power, and the "centralization" makes such gathering even simpler. People are not selfless enough for such a system to ever work, in my opinion.