Eagle Claw Question

[soulguy2k]

Hi,

I'm german Kung Fu student and I've got a question concerning the claw-technique of the Eagle Claw Kung Fu. I'm very interested in the history of Kung Fu and that's why I oftern look around on homepages of different Kung Fu styles.

When I finally found Eagle Claw Homepages (Lily Lau Eagle Claw Kung Fu (http://www.lilylaueagleclaw.com) and Leung Shum Eagle Claw Kung Fu (http://www.yingjowpai.net)) I was a trifle bemused, because on every picture this kind of claw-technique was used:

http://www.felixdjdonb.privat.t-online.de/Bilder/eagleclaw2.JPG

I never saw this kind of claw-technique associated with the Eagle Claw before. When I saw the Eagle Claw technique for example in a movie the actor always used this claw technique:

http://www.felixdjdonb.privat.t-online.de/Bilder/eagleclaw1.JPG

Unfortunatly I'm not a student of the Eagle Claw Kung Fu and there is not even an Eagle Claw Skool in Germany. So I thought, that you perhaps could help me out. Can somebody tell me, where those different claw techniques come from, what their meaning is and when they are to be used?

Thank you previously.

Kind regards

[Starchaser107]

the firsyt picture is the traditional northern chinese method of eagle claw chin na or kahm na , the symbolic representation and application of the eagles talons used to seize and control.
the second picture is japanese, although i have seen this hand posture come up in a few southern styles and oddly in some hsing-i that i've seen.

[shuaichiao]

the firsyt picture is the traditional northern chinese method of eagle claw chin na or kahm na , the symbolic representation and application of the eagles talons used to seize and control.
the second picture is japanese, although i have seen this hand posture come up in a few southern styles and oddly in some hsing-i that i've seen.


The second picture is actualy crane claw although if you ever see that lair of the green dragon guy he insists it's a tiger claw.

[Waidan]

The second claw appears to be the same technique the Dragon (Southern) guys use. I could be wrong on this, but you'd do well to post the pic on the Southern forum and see what they have to say on the matter. I think it's primarily used for seizing and control (vs. tearing and raking) also.

[Starchaser107]

for reallers, check the southern board for the second claw...
in the 5 animals hung kuen book it appears as snake...

i'm almost positive that it's also the japanese version of eagle claw though.

[sean_stonehart]

The second picture is actualy crane claw although if you ever see that lair of the green dragon guy he insists it's a tiger claw.

Plus he'll tell you quick it's .... inherently stronger, faster, meaner, better, more refined in technique, execution & performance than most any others taught today... :eek:

[shuaichiao]

for reallers, check the southern board for the second claw...
in the 5 animals hung kuen book it appears as snake...

i'm almost positive that it's also the japanese version of eagle claw though.


snake uses a hand form that looks similiar but it's not actualy a claw, it's a double eye poke.

Southern dragon does use that claw form too, I forgot all about that style.

[Wong Ying Home]

The three finger eagle claw is used in Hsing Yi.

It is also used in southern eagle claw, I have documentation and photo's of Golden eagle style from Taiwan that uses three fingers.

starchser is correct in the his explanation of the hand shaped claw, it is predominantly Northern eagle claw that uses that uses that hand shape.

Lung Ying or dragon style is a little different, the three fingers are used but the last two are not folded down so much and looks more like an extended tiger claw.

I have some students in germany practicing eagle claw and also a school in the Checz Republic.

If you are interested in Eagle Claw in europe or visiting England to do some training please contact me via www.worldeagleclaw.com

[soulguy2k]

Ok thank you very much for your answers.

I'll keep on investigating on that task. If I get out any news, I'll fresh up that post in here.

@Wong Ying Home:
Thank you for your offer. I'll prefer to make progress in my Kung FU Style first, before starting practicing new styles. But when I'm an advanced student and I get to England, I'll get in touch with you.

[Shaolinlueb]

The three finger eagle claw is used in Hsing Yi.

It is also used in southern eagle claw, I have documentation and photo's of Golden eagle style from Taiwan that uses three fingers.

starchser is correct in the his explanation of the hand shaped claw, it is predominantly Northern eagle claw that uses that uses that hand shape.

Lung Ying or dragon style is a little different, the three fingers are used but the last two are not folded down so much and looks more like an extended tiger claw.

I have some students in germany practicing eagle claw and also a school in the Checz Republic.

If you are interested in Eagle Claw in europe or visiting England to do some training please contact me via www.worldeagleclaw.com

as i said in the other forum. if you ask people from southern china to show you an eagle claw. they will most likely show you the 3 finger grab. do you have any linksa to the golden eagle style in taiwan? or video's? i am interested to see what southern eagle claw looks like.

[Wong Ying Home]

I'll try and find the article of Golden eagle from taiwan, it is not widely taught and I dont know where it is in my library.

But I'll pm you when and I find it

Regards

Wong Ying

[Shaolinlueb]

I'll try and find the article of Golden eagle from taiwan, it is not widely taught and I dont know where it is in my library.

But I'll pm you when and I find it

Regards

Wong Ying

Thank you very much. it will be m,uch appreciated.

Adam Lueb.

[soulguy2k]

Hi,

I would be interested in that artikel too.... as I said I'm always interested in historical stuff. Thank you previously for all informations.

A few days ago I sent an Email to Master Rothrock (Leung Shum Eagle Claw Lineage). The answer has just been arrived .... he also said, that the Three-Finger-Claw is associated to the southern Eagle Claw and the Five-Finger-Claw to the northern Eagle Claw (for a better grip).

So thanks again for all answers and informations :-).

[ngokfei]

Good question on the Claws. Actually both methods have their place in Northern Eagle Claw.

The 5 finger method is used 90% of time time for the majority of catch and restrain/break etc.

The 3 finger method is more specialized and used in specific/tight spaces ie: the carotid artery etc. Its often over looked as it doesn't appear in any of the standard forms of the style.


I'll plug myself here. Am arranging a teaching tour/vacation in Europe next year. Basically teaching for free in lieu of room and board.

I've got Ireland, Scotland, France and Italy covered but not Germany (got relatives ont he border in Alsace Loraine (my spelling sucks). Interested. I don't eat too much :D

e-mail me

Hey Wong Ying
send me a copy of the article as well, sounds interesting. Just slip it in the envelope with the other articles I'm anticipating soon :rolleyes: :D

[Shaolinlueb]

i would like too see videos of lueng shum in his younger days performing. i hear is is really really good. but now since he is older i guess he teaches more tai chi???? (correct me if im wrong).

[Wong Ying Home]

Your right, the three finger is used, but not much by the northern styles.

If you fancy stopping down south of England for a few days and visitng our school and exchanging some stuff that will be fine with me. Don't need any seminars just come visit some eagle claw relatives so to speak

Your talking 2006 right ?

regards

Wong Ying

P.s might even give you that package by hand :-) ;)

[truffy64]

schools with the U.S.A.¶are simplifier (mixed);..Il is necessary to go to China to find the origins of this style.
I have to study during 15 years, my Master was a also technical director for this style in the movies (eagles claw, pready deadly fury, kids from shaolin...)… les schools inU.S.A. are very poor…

[Wong Ying Home]

Truffy, your talking balony, china is one place to learn eagle claw, so is hong kong, taiwan usa europe , england etc.

You wont know till you go an meet the people, so what if your teacher taught eagle claw to the movies, so did my sisok, taiwan and hong kong so no big deal ok ! :(

[ngokfei]

Finding an Eagle Claw Instructor is much easier now then say 10 years ago.

It was long thought that high level Eagle Claw instruction could not be found in China but as I've been finding out this is totally not the case.

You just have to have the right connections and now with the internet its easier then ever.

I'll plug this site:

www.freewebs.com/eagle-claw/

I believe it has the most indepth direction of Eagle Claw practitioners in the world.

(still any updates and inclusions would be most desired :D

WONG YING

check out the site I've made additions (any comments or insights)?

[Wong Ying Home]

Hey , how's you.?

Site looks good we do need more pics up there applications, concepts etc I think that would be good. Definately need a domain name though

I see you might be in England at some point ??

Kick your ass if you dont come visit :-) :D :D

[Erny]

Hello iam studing Leung Shum's Eagle Claw Kung Fu the last one and a half year.the claw is like the upper photo you show and about the three finger claw i admit i do not know where is it from.now about the Shaolinlueb who said he wanted to see grandmaster Leung Shum in video at early age i can tell him that i watched a seminar from him about 8 months ago and he still is more than fast.(althought probably when he was younger he could be faster.you can find a lot of his dvds in the internet both wu tai chi and eagle claw.(tip)Do not try to learn a form by dvd though you will learn it wrong i assure you.Shaolinlueb what style of eagle claw are you learning?and what exactly is the lost fist?is like wu shu's long fist or not?

[langshan]

http://www.sifushop.com

or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_BATIwfZsU

[langshan]

the firsyt picture is the traditional northern chinese method of eagle claw chin na or kahm na , the symbolic representation and application of the eagles talons used to seize and control.
the second picture is japanese, although i have seen this hand posture come up in a few southern styles and oddly in some hsing-i that i've seen.
http://www.sifushop.com

or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_BATIwfZsU

[langshan]

New DVD in Eagle claw kung fu (Rock eagle claw)http://www.sifushop.com

or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_BATIwfZsU

[ShaolinDan]

don't know if that's you langshan in the video...but whoever it is, I'd suggest keeping the fingers together and in line with the hand (not bent backwards) when making the claw...it will look better (among other things).

[Wong Ying Home]

It would be nice if Mr Fabien would clarify his teacher Liu' Li Hong is recognised as creating performance eagle claw for films and wu shu competition, but to imply Liu Li Hong created eagle claw in China is little on inaccurate side to say the least.

Northern Eagle Claw Ying Jow Faan Tzi Mun has been practised in Hebei province since the mid 1800's.

Golden Eagle Fist Gum Ying Kune, a Southern Chinese style found mainly in Taiwan, which primarily uses the 3 finger eagle claw method has been taught there for a minimum of 80 years.

[lance]

Hi,

I'm german Kung Fu student and I've got a question concerning the claw-technique of the Eagle Claw Kung Fu. I'm very interested in the history of Kung Fu and that's why I oftern look around on homepages of different Kung Fu styles.

When I finally found Eagle Claw Homepages (Lily Lau Eagle Claw Kung Fu (http://www.lilylaueagleclaw.com) and Leung Shum Eagle Claw Kung Fu (http://www.yingjowpai.net)) I was a trifle bemused, because on every picture this kind of claw-technique was used:

http://www.felixdjdonb.privat.t-online.de/Bilder/eagleclaw2.JPG

I never saw this kind of claw-technique associated with the Eagle Claw before. When I saw the Eagle Claw technique for example in a movie the actor always used this claw technique:

http://www.felixdjdonb.privat.t-online.de/Bilder/eagleclaw1.JPG

Unfortunatly I'm not a student of the Eagle Claw Kung Fu and there is not even an Eagle Claw Skool in Germany. So I thought, that you perhaps could help me out. Can somebody tell me, where those different claw techniques come from, what their meaning is and when they are to be used?

Thank you previously.

Kind regards

Hello Soul Guy ,

Well if there is no eagle claw school in your area , then you need to get 2 - sources of materials , the lily lau and the Shum Leung DVD materials if you can get them . Eagle claw known for their expertise for locking of the opponents' joints' .

Lily lau ' s DVD materials you can goto wing lam kung fu enterprises and for Shum
Leung ' s DVDs you can goto ESPY TV.com . Depends on what type of EagleClaw system you want to study , best thing to do for yourself is do your own research .

Or you if you are loaded with money then contact these Sifus Lily Lau or Shum Leung , you either go to visit them at their school or plug in with them to see if they can come to your area to train with you .

In the movies the actor's use the eagle claw techniques like you mentioned in your post to make the movie look better .
These are some of the ideas you can use other than what I ' ve mentioned to you in this posts you ever tried checking out youtube ? They either might or might not have something eagleclaw ,but go and check it out ok .


take Care ,
Baijong

[lkfmdc]

New DVD in Eagle claw kung fu (Rock eagle claw)http://www.sifushop.com

or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_BATIwfZsU


this is, well, pretty horrible....