mantis108
03-11-2005, 03:37 PM
On the other thread there are some interesting point being raised by Youknowwho. I thougt that since it's been quiet here on the KFM Mantis board, may be we could open a can of worms for reviving the forum.
First and foremost, all my usual caveat applied. This is not meant to be a put down or anything but straightly for discussion purposes. I do not speak as authority on the subject but rather express my opinion on the matter.
First a recap:
Our ancestor tried to fool us, The 8 forbiden strikes are those you should strike. Illegal moves in sport are effective moves in combat. Another example that one should not always believe in the book. The finish strategy (how to kill) is a important part of the CMA training but hidden in those words (8 forbiden strikes). Instead one should work on those "8 forbiden strikes" and make it effective. You don't need to train in 8 strikes but you definitely need to train in 8 forbiden strikes.
- Taiji PM merged Taiji into PM.
- LH PM merged LH into PM.
- Baiji PM merged Baiji into PM.
If you train XingYi and PM at the same time then will you do PM on one day and XY the day after?
In my openion PM is the best fighting system in the "striking world" (hope I won't be called style biased). But even the best fighting style still have room to improve. If you can improve your PM and pass down that to your next generation then you won't be just a "copy machine". Instead you have "contribute" to the CMA world.
How to do that? Take each moves from your forms and try to apply it in fighting. You then record your experience and things that you like to modify. Finally reflect that experience back to the original forms.
1) I think some people may feel that way about the 8 strike and 8 forbiden strikes. In a way, I think my English translation of Ba Bu Da is really not very accurate. Forbiden strikes is somewhat of a misnomer. Personally, I believe that in Mantis "Ba Da, Ba Bu Da" is meant to be an abreviated lesson on pugilistic anatomy. But some teachers may chose to emphasize on the morality issue of miming and/or kill another human being.
2) - Taiji PM merged Taiji into PM.
As far as I am aware, Taiji Tanglang DOES NOT incorporate Taijiquan into the system. This is a common misunderstanding. Certain branches (ie CCK TCPM) in reality have a seperate Taijiquan curriculum so that the integrity of the styles maintains the same. If individual teacher deciding to do things differently then it should be noted and explained clear in the first place.
- LH PM merged LH into PM.
I think you are talking about Luohan Tanglang? This is a tough one without knowing where your information comes from. IMHO this is more myth than facts. What, if any, from Luohan was adsorbed into Mantis? Is there physical prove (form or techniques) of that? In what branch of Mantis can we see that merge?
- Baiji PM merged Baiji into PM.
I think this is from Su Yuchang's WuTang organization, right?
3) I used to think it's okay to do a few arts at the same time but I eventually just come to focus on Mantis. If I need to practice something else, I will set it on a different day. So yes I do seperate the styles to practice.
4)
In my openion PM is the best fighting system in the "striking world" (hope I won't be called style biased). But even the best fighting style still have room to improve. If you can improve your PM and pass down that to your next generation then you won't be just a "copy machine". Instead you have "contribute" to the CMA world.
I would agree. H@ll, I agree with you here. Evolution is a good thing but not at the expense of sound and solid principles of the system. They are there for a reason. If not we can just go and do JDK or MMA instead of Tanglang.
5) Nothing wrong with your advices and thank you for sharing. But generalization is dangerous. Assumption is the mother of all f#ck ups. I would caution making sweeping statements. Mantis as a style is enormous. Sometime seens odd and out of place might be there for a reason. So be patient and investigate before drawing conclusion, my friend.
Regards
Mantis108
First and foremost, all my usual caveat applied. This is not meant to be a put down or anything but straightly for discussion purposes. I do not speak as authority on the subject but rather express my opinion on the matter.
First a recap:
Our ancestor tried to fool us, The 8 forbiden strikes are those you should strike. Illegal moves in sport are effective moves in combat. Another example that one should not always believe in the book. The finish strategy (how to kill) is a important part of the CMA training but hidden in those words (8 forbiden strikes). Instead one should work on those "8 forbiden strikes" and make it effective. You don't need to train in 8 strikes but you definitely need to train in 8 forbiden strikes.
- Taiji PM merged Taiji into PM.
- LH PM merged LH into PM.
- Baiji PM merged Baiji into PM.
If you train XingYi and PM at the same time then will you do PM on one day and XY the day after?
In my openion PM is the best fighting system in the "striking world" (hope I won't be called style biased). But even the best fighting style still have room to improve. If you can improve your PM and pass down that to your next generation then you won't be just a "copy machine". Instead you have "contribute" to the CMA world.
How to do that? Take each moves from your forms and try to apply it in fighting. You then record your experience and things that you like to modify. Finally reflect that experience back to the original forms.
1) I think some people may feel that way about the 8 strike and 8 forbiden strikes. In a way, I think my English translation of Ba Bu Da is really not very accurate. Forbiden strikes is somewhat of a misnomer. Personally, I believe that in Mantis "Ba Da, Ba Bu Da" is meant to be an abreviated lesson on pugilistic anatomy. But some teachers may chose to emphasize on the morality issue of miming and/or kill another human being.
2) - Taiji PM merged Taiji into PM.
As far as I am aware, Taiji Tanglang DOES NOT incorporate Taijiquan into the system. This is a common misunderstanding. Certain branches (ie CCK TCPM) in reality have a seperate Taijiquan curriculum so that the integrity of the styles maintains the same. If individual teacher deciding to do things differently then it should be noted and explained clear in the first place.
- LH PM merged LH into PM.
I think you are talking about Luohan Tanglang? This is a tough one without knowing where your information comes from. IMHO this is more myth than facts. What, if any, from Luohan was adsorbed into Mantis? Is there physical prove (form or techniques) of that? In what branch of Mantis can we see that merge?
- Baiji PM merged Baiji into PM.
I think this is from Su Yuchang's WuTang organization, right?
3) I used to think it's okay to do a few arts at the same time but I eventually just come to focus on Mantis. If I need to practice something else, I will set it on a different day. So yes I do seperate the styles to practice.
4)
In my openion PM is the best fighting system in the "striking world" (hope I won't be called style biased). But even the best fighting style still have room to improve. If you can improve your PM and pass down that to your next generation then you won't be just a "copy machine". Instead you have "contribute" to the CMA world.
I would agree. H@ll, I agree with you here. Evolution is a good thing but not at the expense of sound and solid principles of the system. They are there for a reason. If not we can just go and do JDK or MMA instead of Tanglang.
5) Nothing wrong with your advices and thank you for sharing. But generalization is dangerous. Assumption is the mother of all f#ck ups. I would caution making sweeping statements. Mantis as a style is enormous. Sometime seens odd and out of place might be there for a reason. So be patient and investigate before drawing conclusion, my friend.
Regards
Mantis108