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ChinoXL
03-28-2005, 11:56 PM
Hey i kno i kno everyone says u can be good if u practice hard enough in anything but i just want to know what kung-fu style is more dominant; because the fact that some kung fu is really.. simply better then others like i saw on the discovery channel that majority of the southern soldiers usually beat up northern soldiers in spars but I want to know what kind of kung fu because I want to take one of the best ones

Starchaser107
03-29-2005, 12:11 AM
This is a very loaded question, are you trolling, cause that's what it sounds like?

WanderingMonk
03-29-2005, 12:11 AM
3.0 out of 10

Kristoffer
03-29-2005, 12:49 AM
You're trolling Gong Fu is weak.

FuXnDajenariht
03-29-2005, 01:00 AM
wow....you people are really pessimistic aren't you..

hmm... maybe thats why out of 5000 members we have at most 100 regular posters.

to answer your question. there isn't any dominant styles of kung fu. some styles are more popular than others tho. i can name wing chun, praying mantis, many shaolin derived styles, bagua, taichi and xingyi, are reaally popular nowadays... uum.. choy lay fut and hung gar are a couple other extremely popular southern styles along with wing chun. longfist, jeet kune do...chinese wrestling has had an upsurge of interest because of mma for example.

i really suggest that you just find a good teacher and stick with an art that you like. forget all this talk about whats more popular and whats not. some arts are popular because of their quality but thats not the case most of the time. there are many other factors and reasons. geography, politics, famous fights, luck... it could have very well likely ended up being any number of styles that became more popular than they presently are, and most arts were at some point in time. your more likely to end up in a mcdojo if you follow that line of thinking tho. we would all be practicing tkd for instance if popularity was the deciding factor.

you can only punch and kick so many ways. worry about becoming the best and not what art is the best. ;)

Becca
03-29-2005, 02:00 AM
Hey i kno i kno everyone says u can be good if u practice hard enough in anything...
Think you need to practice harder at typing the whole word. It my seem cute, but it is hard too read. Bad spelling is one thing, but deliberatly misspelling... :rolleyes:

That being said... My spelling-fu sucks. :o





But I have to agree with my favorite degenerate. Don't matter what you study. You don't practice, it looks bad. You don't spar, you loose. Has nothing to do with the style, though there is some impact if you and your teacher don't mesh.

cerebus
03-29-2005, 02:10 AM
Modern Wushu is best. Go with modern Wushu. You even get to wear cool silk uniforms. :D :D

dingyuan
03-29-2005, 02:18 AM
I'll say Baji Quan is one of the most dominant Chinese style.

FuXnDajenariht
03-29-2005, 02:30 AM
But I have to agree with my favorite degenerate.


aww...sniff sniiff *wipes tear from eye* i feel so loved...sniff :D

aww thanks becca. if ever your in new york the first round of brew is on me. your cool with me too, no doubt :D and i hafta respect any girl that can kick my non-training ass lmao

Becca
03-29-2005, 02:54 AM
:D I must have spent 10 whole minutes Rolling with lauphter after seeing your screen name the first time! Gotta respect someone with that kind of honesty... ;) :D

FuXnDajenariht
03-29-2005, 03:23 AM
lmao you have no idea.... :D

you know its funny. the more honest you are...with yourself and with people. the more insane people think you are. it really does put a weight off of you tho. all that mental/social baggage... i dont complain. but now everyone i know officially thinks im a crazy bas.tard.... lol u cant win.





maybe a lil eccentric is what is say.... ;)

ChinoXL
03-29-2005, 07:19 AM
thank u wandering monk for one of the few ppl who answered my question .. thanks for flaming me u flaming ****s :mad: jk well its hard pickin a "right" kung-fu style becuz there's over a couple hundred styles and all made by man; wouldn't u agree that some would be better then others?

Becca
03-29-2005, 07:27 AM
Your welcome, and no. If that were the case then untrained yokles would never win, but they do. it is the fighter, not the style.

Happeh
03-29-2005, 07:52 AM
thank u wandering monk for one of the few ppl who answered my question .. thanks for flaming me u flaming ****s :mad: jk well its hard pickin a "right" kung-fu style becuz there's over a couple hundred styles and all made by man; wouldn't u agree that some would be better then others?


He is not a troll I don't think. Scary as it is, that is an example of our youth today. Everytime I see this, I wonder who is going to be running the country when us old people die. No way can I see someone like this running a nuclear power plant or flying an airplane. ;)

Dood. They are making fun of U becaz U are using |33T speak. Text messaging and I33T speak look stupid. It is fine for using with friends or other people who speak like that or on a cell phone where you have to. In a place where people use complete words and thoughts? It makes you look like you are mentally slow.

That and the gangsta lingo make people call you troll. That braggodocio talk like you are a hip hop rapper is only cool with the guys at school. It is posturing and baboonish. Indicating your knowledge of kung fu is based on a Discovery Channel documentary is like a big sign over your head saying "Kick Me. I are NooB".

Repulsive Monkey
03-29-2005, 08:03 AM
I really am hoping that the modern Wushu statement was a joke, because that is precisely what modern wushu is, its a total joke.
You can learn that if you want but if you want a martial art for fighting knowledge and practical application then please, please, please avoid wushu.
Instead of wushu it would be more effective to take up tango or salsa lessons, and they even look better.

It's hard to say which is the best, because the art is the pallette and the practitioner really is the only one of painting the best picture.
The reality is that if you train hard enough in your repsective style you can accomplish great feats if thats what you want.
It seems you subtle problem is you're confused with what you want from martial arts. If you want to make yourself fitter then so many arts can provide that, and if you want to become a fighter then again so many can take you to the level of being highly accomplished.
If you want it for spiritual reasons, then I will take a stand here and say arts more than others can provide that aspect more clearly than others.

Your gong-fu in your respective art will be as good as you want it to be.
Ultimately experience is everything and only by trying out a few different arts will you might be able to take the next step in complicitly dedicating yourself to acheive what it is you want from it.
If something is missing don't fall for the !If I go for the best style all my prayers will be answered, all my problems will dissolve" because it just doesn't work that way!

Starchaser107
03-29-2005, 08:16 AM
you'll have to excuse me, but the post really sounded like a troll.
Most People here have overcome the "My style is better than yours" mentality or at the very least put it aside for the sake of learning.
Like others have said, there is no "dominant" style, just what works for you. And usually when a style works for you alot of the success is based on how much effort and sweat you invest into it.
Visit a few schools, don't believe everything you watch on discovery channel. I think they have nature and animals down pat but when it comes to martial arts they're kind of a bit sketchy. Juko kai...interesting, anyway journalism is journalism eveybody has thier own personal bias and agenda no matter how "objective" they try / claim to be.
Visit a few schools and see what's out there, ask to take a trial class. Ask if they offer the things that you want.

red5angel
03-29-2005, 08:28 AM
what I want to know is where Xebs get's all this time to troll the sheeit out of this forum?

SPJ
03-29-2005, 09:07 AM
We all have to start somewhere.

I started with Tang Tui and Shuai Jiao.

Some southern Shaolin tiger/crane. This is popular in Taiwan.

And then Tai Tzu, Tong Bei before 7 star and Liu He Mantis.

Ba Ji/pi qua yes of course.

Only in college, I started Chen Tai Ji, Ba Gua and Xing Yi.

Nowaday, if you are in Taiwan, just about every teacher will offer Tai Ji, some Ba Gua and xing yi, even though, his or her expertise is something else.

Demands drive the market as mentioned in the earlier posts.

I think whatever is available, it is a good way to start.

Some years down the road, you will have to decide what you like best.

I watched people practicing all kinds of CMA in Taipei city park.

I picked Tang Tui first, because it seemed more straightforward for me at the time.

Actually, Tang Tui is incorporated into Ba Gua and many other northern styles.

So is Shaui Jiao. Shuai Jiao is popular in Taiwan's police academy. I have relatives in the police force. So my relatives Shuai Jiao me all the time, whether I like it or not.

Shuai Jiao is incorporated in Cheng Ting Hua Ba Gua.

:D

unkokusai
03-29-2005, 09:32 AM
Everytime I see this, I wonder who is going to be running the country when us old people die. ".


Why don't you hurry up so we can find out?

David Jamieson
03-29-2005, 09:43 AM
If you want to fight, find a style that conditions the heck out of you and takes an approach of martiality in it's delivery of method.

You'll find that the method differs from school to school, teacher to teacher.
But most will advertise what their approach is.

go from there.

Ray Pina
03-29-2005, 09:47 AM
Hey i kno i kno everyone says u can be good if u practice hard enough in anything but i just want to know what kung-fu style is more dominant; because the fact that some kung fu is really.. simply better then others like i saw on the discovery channel that majority of the southern soldiers usually beat up northern soldiers in spars but I want to know what kind of kung fu because I want to take one of the best ones


Study history!

Southern styles became popular in the US first because they came from the poorest part of China and needed to get out and jumped on the rail road opportunities .... they brought with them their own styles and legends.

Look within China itself. Where was Wing Chun developed? Was it Fukien? It NEVER went north. In fact, little by little it was driven south into Canton and then eventually Hong Kong.

In the north, in the wealthy and royal sections, like Beijing, they never heard of Wing Chun and Hung Gar and who the hell is Won Fe Hung? He's not even the most famous 10 Tiger in Southern China.

It is Ba Gua that made it inside the palace. Also Taiji. They even looked down on Hsing-I (which I love) and that was only for escort services.

I know its hard to conceive now, today, but think back then .... you think anyone can just be the bodyguard for the emperor?

Speaking from a technical stand point I would put Taiji at the top ..... but too hard to achieve its ultimate.

Then Ba Gua for its combination of techniue trickery and power (though I've only seen and felt it don't know it)

I like Hsing-I: it's powerful and direct about learning and using.

Of course, I'm completely falling for the trap of this post, and 10 guys will have 10 different answers.

Wing Chun has some good parts and bad parts .... LIKE EVERY STYLE. But its bad points are really bad: terrible posture and weak punching and kicking. But good trapping and sticking though.

White Crane, the concept, is very good. But who can do it? Who can evade all those blows and counter punch without blocking? I'd like to see it against the big guy.

Bak Mei: don't know enough of it but likes what I seen. Same with Southern Mantis, though I spent some time there, but it didn't seem to healthy. Everyon could fight but not healthy.

In the end, you have to find what works for you.

ChinoXL
03-29-2005, 10:57 AM
Oh I definitely understand now. Okay I'm so sorry guys; thanks to happeh , ray pina , repulsive monkey all your information is very helpful. Well guys is bak mei really that good? I was reading some crazy stuff about it; heck i'm probably thinking about taking monkey.

PangQuan
03-29-2005, 11:10 AM
ChinoXL

I would definately take whatever style is near you and has the best master for you. The proper communication between you and your master is imperitive. As for best style, thats very hard. You will find that most of the best masters throughout time, not just china, but everywhere, well they studied many styles. Each style has its gem. You will find that as you begin to study the martial arts, that you will either become fully addicted, or you will quit. If you become addicted, you will notice your thirst for more knowledge will never be quenched. The best way to temporarily satisfy this desire for more and more technique will be to seek out information that is new to you. But I would have to say that the best piece of advice I can give you is this; develop a strong foundation in one style first, after years of study, add to your book.

Ray Pina
03-29-2005, 11:42 AM
ChinoXL

Each style has its gem. You will find that as you begin to study the martial arts, that you will either become fully addicted, or you will quit.

:) Well said.

SevenStar
03-29-2005, 11:46 AM
Your welcome, and no. If that were the case then untrained yokles would never win, but they do. it is the fighter, not the style.

it's not the fighter or the style - it's the training methods.

SevenStar
03-29-2005, 11:47 AM
chino, didn't you ask this same question on karateforums?

ChinoXL
03-29-2005, 12:23 PM
nope just askin whea to learn monkey kung fu since its unquie .. but it's hard so i'm trying to see what else is good.. i heard about wing chun, taichi, and bak mei? whats their pros/cons?

red5angel
03-29-2005, 12:28 PM
it's not the fighter or the style - it's the training methods.

I disagree, the fighter is certainly a large factor.

Reggie1
03-29-2005, 12:31 PM
it's not the fighter or the style - it's the training methods.

I could be wrong, but I thought the general consensus was:

fighter > training methods > style

norther practitioner
03-29-2005, 03:56 PM
you'll have to excuse me, but the post really sounded like a troll.
Most People here have overcome the "My style is better than yours" mentality or at the very least put it aside for the sake of learning.
Like others have said, there is no "dominant" style, just what works for you. And usually when a style works for you alot of the success is based on how much effort and sweat you invest into it.
Visit a few schools, don't believe everything you watch on discovery channel. I think they have nature and animals down pat but when it comes to martial arts they're kind of a bit sketchy. Juko kai...interesting, anyway journalism is journalism eveybody has thier own personal bias and agenda no matter how "objective" they try / claim to be.
Visit a few schools and see what's out there, ask to take a trial class. Ask if they offer the things that you want.

My style is better than yours.... I have more fly gear, I get mo' wimmins. Do you need a school to learn style...
















oh, that style, yeah, it's about who can kick whos ass, not anything else. If you win, maybe you just go lucky too... ;)

jmd161
03-29-2005, 05:19 PM
Hey i kno i kno everyone says u can be good if u practice hard enough in anything but i just want to know what kung-fu style is more dominant; because the fact that some kung fu is really.. simply better then others like i saw on the discovery channel that majority of the southern soldiers usually beat up northern soldiers in spars but I want to know what kind of kung fu because I want to take one of the best ones


Come on everyone knows that

Black Tiger Is The Shiznick!!!


:D


jeff:)

Fu-Pow
03-29-2005, 05:51 PM
Choy Lay Fut Forever

oh....and Chen Taiji also.

Starchaser107
03-29-2005, 07:03 PM
BAK SHAOLIN EAGLE CLAW

Blacktiger
03-29-2005, 08:57 PM
The art of fighting without fighting :D

lkfmdc
03-29-2005, 09:44 PM
Kids, I hate to break it to you, but

ONLY ONE MAN HAD A DOCUMENTED 150 MATCHES AND REMAINED UNDEFEATED

Yes, only one

Of course, that was Wong Yan Lam, and his system was

Tibetan LAMA PAI

Blacktiger
03-29-2005, 10:15 PM
Ok then :)

Grandmaster Wan Lai Shen-Liu He Zi Ran Men

lkfmdc
03-29-2005, 10:22 PM
Kroc Chu has never before met its equal - be afeared...


BTW - wasn't Wang Jang Ji (i chuan founder) undefeated in his publically issued challenge? just asking...

Probably undefeated, isn't everyone? :rolleyes:

But undefeated in ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PUBLIC MATCHES?

Wong Yan Lam sat on a stage in the middle of Guangzhou, imagine sitting on a stage in the middle of Times Square in NYC, accepting challenges all day for like 2 weeks....

ie HARD CORE

lkfmdc
03-29-2005, 10:45 PM
"Hey Chris, LOOK! It's a big wooden stage on 42nd street. And there's a chair up there. Why don't you go sit down, no, don't worry, just sit there for a minute. What camera? Man, don't be paranoid, just, ..... hey, Chris, where are you running off to?" :p

Blacktiger
03-29-2005, 10:48 PM
Hulk Hogan :D

ChinoXL
03-29-2005, 10:49 PM
Tibetan LAMA PAI??? is it that go0d?? would it be able to go up against a regular muay thai fighter?? o.O i'm just askin becuz i realli did find a school so... :confused: tell me more about this lama pai or should i learn sumdin else and stick w/ my boxing//muay thai..

KnightSabre
03-29-2005, 11:16 PM
I think you should take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu,it has dominated kung fu and
other traditonal styles for 75 years ;-)

ChinoXL
03-29-2005, 11:30 PM
oh i took brazilian ju-jitsu by the serra brothers; and i am retaking it on starting on april; i also am boxing and taking muay thai (good ufc combo) the problem with boxing//kick boxing//muay thai is that its so limited in the area of learning.. i want to learn something that takes time and when i'm good it'll be very deadly >:]~ so i was thinking Tibetan LAMA PAI....? is that go0d?? or bak mei.. or tai shing pek kwar??

ChinoXL
03-30-2005, 06:25 AM
Do you guys think this school is legitiment http://www.nykungfu.com/school/style.asp he claims to teach tibetian pai mai; bok mei; and under others he also claims to teach tai shing pek kwar.. can anybody tell me is he da real deal or another imposter tryin 2 make money??

Reggie1
03-30-2005, 09:00 AM
Crazy double posts. See below.

Reggie1
03-30-2005, 09:01 AM
I posted in the Shaolin forum about this, too.

lkfmdc, isn't this the Michael Parella you trained with under sifu Chan?


Oh yeah, and I forgot to add:

Seven Star Mantis can beat all comers!!!

I'll be taking challenges starting tomorrow. But I get to pick what type of challenge. Be ready for massive HALO 2 deathmatches. :D

Ray Pina
03-30-2005, 10:07 AM
oh i took brazilian ju-jitsu by the serra brothers; and i am retaking it on starting on april; i also am boxing and taking muay thai (good ufc combo) the problem with boxing//kick boxing//muay thai is that its so limited in the area of learning.. i want to learn something that takes time and when i'm good it'll be very deadly >:]~ so i was thinking Tibetan LAMA PAI....? is that go0d?? or bak mei.. or tai shing pek kwar??

Serra brothers? That would mean you're in my neighborhood .... I work in Uniondale and live in Long Beach. Want to get together to train one day? If you like what you see we cans plit a ride to my masters.

Ray

Ray Pina
03-30-2005, 10:09 AM
Do you guys think this school is legitiment http://www.nykungfu.com/school/style.asp he claims to teach tibetian pai mai; bok mei; and under others he also claims to teach tai shing pek kwar.. can anybody tell me is he da real deal or another imposter tryin 2 make money??

Ha .... those guys just handed me a flyer in the mall for a free class. I'll be stopping by sometime within the next 2 weeks.

SevenStar
03-30-2005, 10:38 AM
I could be wrong, but I thought the general consensus was:

fighter > training methods > style

not in my book. A person can be a natural fighter, but if they use mediocre training methods, then someone with superior training methods can be trained to beat them.

SevenStar
03-30-2005, 10:42 AM
oh i took brazilian ju-jitsu by the serra brothers; and i am retaking it on starting on april; i also am boxing and taking muay thai (good ufc combo) the problem with boxing//kick boxing//muay thai is that its so limited in the area of learning..

why do you think so?

red5angel
03-30-2005, 10:43 AM
oh i took brazilian ju-jitsu by the serra brothers; and i am retaking it on starting on april; i also am boxing and taking muay thai (good ufc combo) the problem with boxing//kick boxing//muay thai is that its so limited in the area of learning.. i want to learn something that takes time and when i'm good it'll be very deadly >:]~ so i was thinking Tibetan LAMA PAI....? is that go0d?? or bak mei.. or tai shing pek kwar??


You got enough on your plate.

red5angel
03-30-2005, 10:44 AM
[QUOTE=ChinoXL]oh i took brazilian ju-jitsu by the serra brothers; and i am retaking it on starting on april; i also am boxing and taking muay thai (good ufc combo) the problem with boxing//kick boxing//muay thai is that its so limited in the area of learning..QUOTE]

why do you think so?


ask delibandit 7* ;)

Reggie1
03-30-2005, 10:45 AM
not in my book. A person can be a natural fighter, but if they use mediocre training methods, then someone with superior training methods can be trained to beat them.

I can see that.

g0pher
03-30-2005, 01:48 PM
That Son Than Vo Dao.

But you would have to move to Philadephia, PA since it's the only studio in North America that teaches Seven Mountains Spirit Fist Kung Fu.

PangQuan
03-30-2005, 02:30 PM
here are some examples of the most powerful fighers ever.

http://www.kostich.com/tigersfighting.jpg

http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/kangaroo/kangaroo06-Fighting-JumpingKick.JPG

http://www.tanzaniaparks.com/images/katavi/large/026-hippos%20fighting%201.jpg

red5angel
03-30-2005, 03:27 PM
not in my book. A person can be a natural fighter, but if they use mediocre training methods, then someone with superior training methods can be trained to beat them.

I think it's a matter of degrees, hard to delineate in my book anyway. You can take someone with no talent whatsoever and they could get pummeled by someone with raw natural talent and crappy training.
I sort of equate it to cars. If you have a 4 banger under the hood, you're going to have a hard time finding all the parts and upgrades ot make you compete well with 8 or 12 cylinder cars that come stock.

PangQuan
03-30-2005, 03:34 PM
Or like William Wallace slaughtering the he!! out of trained soldiers. I think one of the biggest factors when it comes to combat is the human spirit, if your spirit is weak, one with a strong spirit will eat you alive.

ewallace
03-30-2005, 03:59 PM
Or like William Wallace slaughtering the he!! out of trained soldiers. I think one of the biggest factors when it comes to combat is the human spirit, if your spirit is weak, one with a strong spirit will eat you alive.
I see you have crossed paths with my father. Better to cross paths than to cross hands with my father.

Merryprankster
03-30-2005, 05:15 PM
not in my book. A person can be a natural fighter, but if they use mediocre training methods, then someone with superior training methods can be trained to beat them.

"Hard Work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard."

----Rhadi Ferguson

PangQuan
03-30-2005, 05:35 PM
I see you have crossed paths with my father. Better to cross paths than to cross hands with my father.

you related to WW? if so I know one of your relatives.

MoiFah
04-21-2005, 01:19 PM
oh i took brazilian ju-jitsu by the serra brothers; and i am retaking it on starting on april; i also am boxing and taking muay thai (good ufc combo) the problem with boxing//kick boxing//muay thai is that its so limited in the area of learning.. i want to learn something that takes time and when i'm good it'll be very deadly >:]~ so i was thinking Tibetan LAMA PAI....? is that go0d?? or bak mei.. or tai shing pek kwar??

If you're only looking for fighting skills and have access to a good Muay Thai instructor, that might be your best bet. If you're looking to train in a style with more depth and has historical or traditional aspects, with the self defense coming *later*, then you should choose whichever style of Kung Fu interests you.

Let me say this, don't listen to all the stories of famous "masters" who fought countless legions of challengers. Because a lot of the old Kung Fu was not of a very high standard and you can see for yourself here:

The actual combat records of traditional kung-fu "experts" against other disciplines. Notice that in most cases they fought bare-handed using (or rather trying to use) all their techniques.

Quote:
Dec. 1973 saw the first of "leading exponents" of kung-fu from Hong Kong knocked out in the first round. The defeated fighters claimed to be at a disadvantage by having to wear gloves and being unfamiliar with Thai rules. A revenge match, this time allowing bare hands, was accepted by the Thais, and this match took place January 22, 1974 as part of the Chinese New Year celebration. Five kung-fu experts from Hong Kong arrived bare fisted and were quickly devastated by the Thai boxers, the fights lasting only six minutes and twenty-two seconds (0:06:22) total! All the fighters were knocked out in the first round.
http://www.lotusselfdefense.com/HistoryLong.html


Quote:
In 1974 a challenge at Lumpinee Stadium, Bangkok resulted in some of Muay Thais finest moments. Kung-Fu masters were being knocked out before the end of first round. Despite their power and strength, demonstrated by the smashing of bricks with their bare hands, they were unable to compete with the rapid firing combos of Muay Thai. The Thai Fighters were able to find all kinds of openings with the traditional Kung-fu stances. In some of the fights the kung-fu masters were unable to land a single blow. At this 1974 challenge, most of the fights ended in knock outs, demonstrating the affectivness of Muay Thai that so many NHB fighters have come to embrace in their arsenals. The Chinese soon after created Sanshou as a way to teach their fighters a watered down version of Muay Thai, similar to the Japanese demise of Karate, created kick boxing as an answer to Muay Thai.
http://www.angelfire.com/nj/thaiboxing/vskungfu.html


But the most striking and impressive link is:

http://crane.50megs.com

Read in particular the sections: 'A history of kung fu vs Muay-thai' and 'The first kung fu and Muay-thai contacts'.

Notice that the author is Chinese from Singapore and has a great interest for kung fu, so the source is absolutely not biased.

The bottom line is, if you only want fighting skills then stick with the easiest and most direct path...boxing/muay thai/kickboxing, etc. Or better yet JKD! If you're looking to train in the long run and want MORE than just fighting skill, go with any style of Kung Fu and don't concern yourself with being "deadly". That will only get you killed or land you in prison.

David Jamieson
04-21-2005, 01:38 PM
From that nykungfu site:

Lama Pai (Style of the Tibetan Monks)

:D

Tibetan monks don't do no fu. lol
Dunno about the rest, but Tibetan monks don't do no fu.

PangQuan
04-21-2005, 01:56 PM
MINE......

Reggie1
04-21-2005, 03:23 PM
Notice that the author is Chinese from Singapore and has a great interest for kung fu, so the source is absolutely not biased.

:rolleyes: Yeah, it sounded like it wasn't biased. Except it was written as more of a persuasive argument.

Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not knocking Muay Thai. It's proven itself over and over how effective it is.

It was a really good article, though. I liked what the guy had to say.


The bottom line is, if you only want fighting skills then stick with the easiest and most direct path...boxing/muay thai/kickboxing, etc.

There are other alternatives. Like Kyokushin (sp?) Karate. Or finding a school that encourages hard-contact sparring.

BibitClerus
04-21-2005, 04:32 PM
xingyi and bagua

joedoe
04-21-2005, 04:56 PM
Hamster style

phantom
04-27-2005, 09:18 AM
I have heard that Johnny Kwong Lee's my jhong law horn instructor, I think his name was Sifu Yee, was undefeated in challenge matches.

Glimmer
04-27-2005, 11:02 AM
Interesting thread - in this day and age of styles fighting it out and being tested in cage fighting (along with trad gong sau), I think it is a bit naive to think 'all kung-fu styles are equal', that sounds like communism to me. :P

Ok, here are my inexperienced thoughts..

Kung-fu styles vary incredibly and clearly some are better suited to dance/demonstration and some are just plain, low down and dirty fighting systems. As others have already mentioned, the effectiveness of a style is often defined by how they train...is it full-contact? Much conditioning? Are the techniques grounded in reality i.e. flashy high kicks or emphasis on no-nonsense punching?

Then of course, it comes down to whether the instructor/sifu is anygood or not and how they transfer their practical knowledge and experience onto their students.

Finally and sometimes most importantly, it comes down to the individual; are they lacking in fight experience? Do they have the right mind-set to make things work in a chaotic situation? Do they train hard everyday, unlike those so called masters who went over and fought the muay thai national champs and all bar one, unsurprisingly got KO'ed?

Looking at all these factors, it comes down to probability - some styles and schools have a higher rate of producing good fighters...sometimes as a result of reputation and image (i.e. if it has a rep for training hard, it will attract meaner students). So you have to look at which styles and schools, percentage wise, have a higher success rate when it comes to gong sau, san da or ufc etc. This is an empirical method of saying 'which style is better for fighting'. Check gong sau records for further info.

Personally, I would comment that southern styles appear FAR more practical in their approaches and methology then northern. But this is a fine distinction, as this north/south divide surely must be outdated by now. Being more specific, I would say that hakka styles like mantis/pak mei/dragon etc look like being excellent fighting styles...as their methods resemble real fighting, rather then exagerated Shaw brothers cheorographed fights.

Mannie
04-30-2005, 03:57 PM
Without a dought
HAKARAC BOXING is the most dominant kung fu system in the planet.
This year alone - 8 fights - 7 wins
HAKARAC BOXER first fight lost by a point to a fighter with 6 fights. REMATCHED for November
Arrest record this year alone by security and police officers that train in Hakarac :
892 arrests - NO INJURIES
2 STATE TITLE HOLDERS IN BOXING
1 NATIONAL GOLD MEDALIST IN BOXING
1 HEAVY WEIGHT TITLE HOLDER IN MORTAL COMBAT
3 JUNIOR STATE TITLE HOLDERS IN BOXING
In the street or the ring
HAKARAC BOXING is simple and 100% effective