What are the principals of your style?

[Royal Dragon]

Of course this is inspired by the other thread...

Ok, a styles principals can be broken down into a number of catagories, like principals that guide body structure, mechanics, footwork, tactics entry, positioning, attacks, defenses etc.. There are even principals used to guid the training methods that TEACH the principals of the arts. What are the principals your art uses in the various catagories?

1. Principals of body structure

2. Principals of body Mechanics

3. Principals of Footwork

4. Principals of entry, and positioning.

5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc...

6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals.


and for those of you who miss my soap opera posts (because I'm alone right now), what are the principals of chaseing, and catching women?

[ZIM]

and for those of you who miss my soap opera posts (because I'm alone right now), what are the principals of chaseing, and catching women?
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More than half of Kyrgyzstan's married women were snatched from the street by their husbands in a custom known as "ala kachuu," which translates roughly as "grab and run." In its most benign form, it is a kind of elopement, in which a man whisks awaya willing girlfriend. But often it is something more violent.

[...]

Kyrgyz men say they snatch women because it is easier than courtship and cheaper than paying the standard "bride price," which can be as much as $800 plus a cow. The cow is the sticking point there. But we digress: Family or friends often press a reluctant groom, lubricated with vodka and beer, into carrying out an abduction.

[Royal Dragon]

And the principals of your art are what?

[BibitClerus]

currently i pratice Fat Ass Thug-jitsu

1. Principals of body structure
Charge, weight forward, hope to hit

2. Principals of body Mechanics
Hit hard?

3. Principals of Footwork
Xing Yi and running

4. Principals of entry, and positioning.
Sucker punching

5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc...
Sucker punching

6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals.
Play pc games, watch tv, watch dvd, masturbate

[ZIM]

And the principals of your art are what?
1. Principals of body structure

Stability & rootedness is favored. For this, I spend more time in stance work than many other aspects.

2. Principals of body Mechanics

Unified. Any movement is reflected in body structure.

3. Principals of Footwork

See above. For the most part, I retain 100/0 weighting.

4. Principals of entry, and positioning.

Entry is by "leaking" when in contact. When not, it sorta depends what's going on. By default, I'd enter with a combo kick/punch.

Positioning is generally "front door"

5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc...

Keep punching
I freely admit to not having a groundfighting game, but neither do I care about having one.

6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals.

Keep punching ;)

I should add that I'm not the best person to ask since I didn't take up the study Kung Fu for it's fighting prowess. That was a side benefit for what I was seeking [which was not "chi balls" either]. Hence, I don't put alot of thought behind it. :cool:

[Mikkyou]

. Principals of body structure The body structure adapts to
whatever the circumstance is.The body is trained to deal with any means of self defense from an attacker to rolling down a flight of stairs.


2. Principals of body Mechanics The body moves natural never distorted or in an awkaward movement.Each attack and defense is practical using
the least amount of energy to do the most amount of damage.


3. Principals of Footwork Footwork again adapts to the circumstance there is angling,stright in,back pedaling,cross stepping,leaping.


4. Principals of entry, and positioning. These concepts of entering and positioning are based on timing,space,distance the practicer
adapts to the opponent looking for holes,openings,and weak points and attacks these.

5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc... To use anything and everything to one's advatage to be well rounded in everything related to perservance of oneself.

6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals To have "LIVE"training and be able to deal with any confortation physically and mentally.

[David Jamieson]

prin·ci·pal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prns-pl)
adj.
First, highest, or foremost in importance, rank, worth, or degree; chief. See Synonyms at chief.
Of, relating to, or being financial principal, or a principal in a financial transaction.

n.
One who holds a position of presiding rank, especially the head of an elementary school or high school.
A main participant in a situation.
A person having a leading or starring role.

The capital or main body of an estate or financial holding as distinguished from the interest or revenue from it.
A sum of money owed as a debt, upon which interest is calculated.
Law.
A person who empowers another to act as his or her representative.
The person having prime responsibility for an obligation as distinguished from one who acts as surety or as an endorser.
One who commits or is an accomplice to a crime.
Architecture. Either of a pair of inclined timbers forming the sides of a triangular truss for a pitched roof.


prin·ci·ple ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prns-pl)
n.
A basic truth, law, or assumption: the principles of democracy.

A rule or standard, especially of good behavior: a man of principle.
The collectivity of moral or ethical standards or judgments: a decision based on principle rather than expediency.
A fixed or predetermined policy or mode of action.
A basic or essential quality or element determining intrinsic nature or characteristic behavior: the principle of self-preservation.
A rule or law concerning the functioning of natural phenomena or mechanical processes: the principle of jet propulsion.
Chemistry. One of the elements that compose a substance, especially one that gives some special quality or effect.
A basic source. See Usage Note at principal.

Idioms:
in principle
With regard to the basics: an idea that is acceptable in principle.
on principle
According to or because of principle.

:D

[SPJ]

This is an excellent thread.

Some key notes or principles of some styles.

1. Tai Chi; You come; I welcome you. You go; I send you off.

2. Ba Ji: You hit me. I hit you. Give up the distance to be close. Xiao Ba Ji: Use softness to enage and use hardness to counter attack at the same time. Da Ba Ji: Use the softness to engage. Use the hardness when the opponent is about to disengage.

3. Tong Bei: One inch longer; one inch stronger. Yi Cun Chang Yi Cun Qiang. Extend long and hit far. Fan Chang Ji Yuan.

4. Ba Gua Zhang: Use the walk to engage. Use the palm as the fighting method. Yi Zhou Wei Yong. Yi Zhang Wei Fa.

5. Xing Yi: Use the semblence of the forms. Take the meanings of the forms. Xiang Xing Chu Yi.

6. Wing Chun: Take up the centerline first. Qiang Zhong Wei Xian.

7. Pi Gua: Big opening; big closing. Big Pi; Big Gua. Da Kai Da He Da Pi Da Gua.

On and on.

:D

[Vasquez]

currently i pratice Fat Ass Thug-jitsu

1. Principals of body structure
Charge, weight forward, hope to hit

2. Principals of body Mechanics
Hit hard?

3. Principals of Footwork
Xing Yi and running

4. Principals of entry, and positioning.
Sucker punching

5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc...
Sucker punching

6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals.
Play pc games, watch tv, watch dvd, masturbate

sucker punching is a cheap trick a good maer won't fall for that. IMOH a clean block and counter will be enough.

[BibitClerus]

sucker punching is a cheap trick a good maer won't fall for that. IMOH a clean block and counter will be enough.

i have used it so far on 2 fights
and it worked flawlessly on both

HA!!
counter this, grasshoper

[BibitClerus]

dare you not say a word against me until you get 10000 points on this game
aight?

http://www.potnoodle.co.uk/play/

[SevenStar]

sucker punching is a cheap trick a good maer won't fall for that. IMOH a clean block and counter will be enough.


sucker punching can work on anyone. The hardest punch is the one you never see coming...

[joedoe]

sucker punching is a cheap trick a good maer won't fall for that. IMOH a clean block and counter will be enough.

A good sucker punch will beat just about anyone. That is the whole point of a sucker punch. A poor sucker punch on the other hand ...

[_William_]

Crowd the space

Control the limbs

Aggressiveness

Hit hard

Each technique must be a set up for another

[Becca]

1. Principals of body structure
We use what can be called a soft structure, i.e. not rigid or tense untill ation is needed.

2. Principals of body Mechanics
One can only move from a position of relaxation to a position of tension, never one of tension to another of tension.

3. Principals of Footwork
keep feet close to the ground even when moving. The suffling effect this creates makes it harder to gage distance and closing speed.

4. Principals of entry, and positioning.
Move in right angles when attacking, and tangents when evading.

5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc...
Win, preferably causing injury as an injured opponant can't follow you when you break away, but try not to kill. Aviod the fight if you can, but make sure you win. Dead people can't defend thier actions.

6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals.
Learn to train. No person, regardless of his or her rank, may stop practicing or learning. To stop means you can no longer begin.Degrees are merely points on the circle, all being an equal distance from the center, the Tao. Never ler rank or lack of it cloud this truth.

[Waxwood rod]

1st principle: Never tell the principles of this secret kung fu style on a public internet forum.

2nd:see #1

etc.

[Vasquez]

sucker punching can work on anyone. The hardest punch is the one you never see coming...

Against untrained fighters yes, but afterall untrained fighters are just scapping. A trained ifghter can easily evade a sucker punch once you have some tai chi or wing chun under your belt. If you have some DM in your game plan you won't need to rely on sucker punches

[Royal Dragon]

Hey!! look at that chick with the really short, red skirt she dropped her purse!!!!



BAM!!!!!








Ahh Ha!!!.....Sucker!!!! ;) :D

[SPJ]

The principles are in words.

They are colloquial or in poems.

You may recite them at heart.

However, what do they mean?

Via practice and the guide of a teacher, you may start to understand.

The secrets are there, and yet we have to look for them.

:D

[SiuHung]

Of course this is inspired by the other thread...

Ok, a styles principals can be broken down into a number of catagories, like principals that guide body structure, mechanics, footwork, tactics entry, positioning, attacks, defenses etc.. There are even principals used to guid the training methods that TEACH the principals of the arts. What are the principals your art uses in the various catagories?

1. Principals of body structure

2. Principals of body Mechanics

3. Principals of Footwork

4. Principals of entry, and positioning.

5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc...

6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals.


and for those of you who miss my soap opera posts (because I'm alone right now), what are the principals of chaseing, and catching women?

1) sink, keep low center of gravity, align hips for the stongest position cooresponding to the movement employed

2) unified movement: the hips, shoulders, elbows, knees, etc... all move as one unit. Keep elbows in and shoulders rounded

3) footwork has three main purposes: One is to break the stance of the opponent by exploiting the weak points of their structure, the other is to avoid harm while staying as close as possible. The third option is for when 1 and 2 have failed, and that is to rereat with a counter attack to regain 1 and 2.

4) Close the door/go to the outside whenever possible and maintain contact/bridging in order to feel and control the opponent's movements. Open the door/go to the inside when given no choice or when dominating the engagement, then break the center.

5) When on offense, bridge-control-strike (hit, kick, lock, throw). When on defense, proctect the vitals and make every ttack you recieve be painful for the opponent and an opportunity to take over offense.

6) Focus on foundational skills first: stances and footwork (more emphasis on dynamic than static), briding, shielding, and breaking structure, and the core hand techniques. Drill, drill, and drill some more. Next phase, focus on clinch, throws and takedowns, and locking concepts. Drill even more. Finally, put together in combinations and spar. Conditioning is covered in drilling.

[Reggie1]

A trained ifghter can easily evade a sucker punch once you have some tai chi or wing chun under your belt. If you have some DM in your game plan you won't need to rely on sucker punches

You ever been in a real fight?

I didn't realize taiji or wing chun gave you sixth sense.

[SiuHung]

The principles are in words.

They are colloquial or in poems.

You may recite them at heart.

However, what do they mean?

Via practice and the guide of a teacher, you may start to understand.

The secrets are there, and yet we have to look for them.

:D

I sincerely hope that you're joking...

If the teacher doesn't come out and tell you how things work and why, then I would question thier actual ability and knowledge. But of course, that does take a lot of the mystery right out of it.

I do acknowledge that it is of benefit to question and study what is taught, but being taught in riddles or vague key phrases won't help pass on the essence of any system to someone lving in the 21st century.

[SevenStar]

Against untrained fighters yes, but afterall untrained fighters are just scapping. A trained ifghter can easily evade a sucker punch once you have some tai chi or wing chun under your belt. If you have some DM in your game plan you won't need to rely on sucker punches


you should've been here before blooming lotus was banned. you could've fallen in love with her and her love of dim mak...

[PangQuan]

Being taught through riddles and vauge key phrases wont go far in todays modern society, no. You are correct. But...

One who is able to find the answers themselves with just the slightest of pushes in the correct direction, will prove themselves to be of stong character, quick of mind, and stable of will. To need the teacher to lead you by the hand only proves that you are incapable of carving your own path in this world.

A teacher through different teaching methods will more easily be able to see who has the proper attributes to master his style and life in general. There are many differnt types of people many are weak and many are strong.

[PangQuan]

It was Confucius that said when he brings up a subject to a fellow man, if that man is not able to bring up the other four points of the subject, Confucius would no longer speak/teach that man.

[Royal Dragon]

Best reply so far:

1) sink, keep low center of gravity, align hips for the stongest position cooresponding to the movement employed

2) unified movement: the hips, shoulders, elbows, knees, etc... all move as one unit. Keep elbows in and shoulders rounded

3) footwork has three main purposes: One is to break the stance of the opponent by exploiting the weak points of their structure, the other is to avoid harm while staying as close as possible. The third option is for when 1 and 2 have failed, and that is to rereat with a counter attack to regain 1 and 2.

4) Close the door/go to the outside whenever possible and maintain contact/bridging in order to feel and control the opponent's movements. Open the door/go to the inside when given no choice or when dominating the engagement, then break the center.

5) When on offense, bridge-control-strike (hit, kick, lock, throw). When on defense, proctect the vitals and make every ttack you recieve be painful for the opponent and an opportunity to take over offense.

6) Focus on foundational skills first: stances and footwork (more emphasis on dynamic than static), briding, shielding, and breaking structure, and the core hand techniques. Drill, drill, and drill some more. Next phase, focus on clinch, throws and takedowns, and locking concepts. Drill even more. Finally, put together in combinations and spar. Conditioning is covered in drilling.

[PangQuan]

Second best reply:

Hey!! look at that chick with the really short, red skirt she dropped her purse!!!!



BAM!!!!!








Ahh Ha!!!.....Sucker!!!!

:p

[Royal Dragon]

ROLFTLMAO!!!!!!

My Lunch is all over the keyboard, thank you very much!!! :D

[PangQuan]

I hope you have a straw, and some air in a can. :D

[Gangsterfist]

Of course this is inspired by the other thread...

Ok, a styles principals can be broken down into a number of catagories, like principals that guide body structure, mechanics, footwork, tactics entry, positioning, attacks, defenses etc.. There are even principals used to guid the training methods that TEACH the principals of the arts. What are the principals your art uses in the various catagories?

1. Principals of body structure

Always guard the centerline, always attack the centerline. If there is no bridge create a bridge, when there is form strike the form, when there is no form, strike the shadow.


2. Principals of body Mechanics

Answer hands with hands and feet with feet. We strive to keep a very little gap between our opponet and ourselves, and we defend hand attacks with hands, and feet ones with feet. Of course we also recognize thats not always the case and do have hand vs feet, etc.


3. Principals of Footwork

Angling in along the center line keeping a neutral stance. 50/50 weight distribution. Always crowd the space.


4. Principals of entry, and positioning.

You just go in. Simultaneous attack and defense. Use your structure to break theirs.


5. Principals of combat, tactics, attacks, defense etc...

Reference #4 and #3 since to me these all fall along the same lines, but to go deeper into it. Glass head, tofu body, iron bridges. My head my shatter and break if hit too hard, my body can fall apart if hit too hard, my iron bridges protect by attacking and defending my body. Upon loss of contact rush in. If my opponet chases a limb, or does a long range of motion movement you take the center and don't even both with that attack coming in at you. The target area is the head, chest, upper and lower abdomen, groin, knees, shins, ankles, etc. Attack with the closest weapon to the closest target. There are tons more, but ill stop there.


6. Principals of training skills, and of coure principals.

The Siu Lim Tao (first form) should be done daily, more than once won't hurt. Training should consists of punches, kicks, forms, etc. Physical conditioning is up to you, I personally do lots of calistenics. Chi sao, 2 man sensitivy drill should be practiced a lot to help develop many good attributes. We also do push hands and lots of other things.



and for those of you who miss my soap opera posts (because I'm alone right now), what are the principals of chaseing, and catching women?

All I gotta say about this one is, do your own dirty work man, I gotta do mine :p

[PangQuan]

and for those of you who miss my soap opera posts (because I'm alone right now), what are the principals of chaseing, and catching women?

ever seen the roadrunner and Wyle E. Cyote?

Ive found, its kind like that.

[omarthefish]

and for those of you who miss my soap opera posts (because I'm alone right now), what are the principals of chaseing, and catching women?

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23864&page=2

Really the only intelligent discussoin starts on page 3 but the post in all caps at the bottom of page 2 is just too good to skip.

[omarthefish]

I sincerely hope that you're joking...

If the teacher doesn't come out and tell you how things work and why, then I would question thier actual ability and knowledge.

So if a teacher can kick your ass 3 ways to sunday but doesnt' come out and tell you how and why you question their ability? Doesn't make sense to me. What does their talk-fu have to do with their actualy ability to throw down?



I do acknowledge that it is of benefit to question and study what is taught, but being taught in riddles or vague key phrases won't help pass on the essence of any system to someone lving in the 21st century.

So you prefer to be spoon fed. That's cool.

[Losttrak]

Tell us more about Talk-Fu, Mr Fish... *wades through irony*

[omarthefish]

You got something to say?

Come on out and say it. There are subtle shades or irony here. I like irony. I was thinking of the ironic contrast between what was most likely meant to be conveyed by his statement and what it actually meant as I posted my response. I think it IS very ironic that someone who I am sure meant to be showing what a "show me" kind of guy he was/is tried to show that attitude by equating verbal explanations with ability.

See? Irony.

You seem to see it in a different place from me though. Just to be clear, and to avoid any misunderstanding before I waste time arguing with someone who may actually already agree with me:

Are you suggesting that I am speaking betond my ability? Or that I can't demonstrate what I talk about?

If so, then what are you basing this supposition on?

If I have misread your post then what exactly ARE you saying?

[Losttrak]

If by "speaking beyond your ability" means "spreading falsehood", then the answer would be, YES. I am not necessarily referring to the contents of this thread, but overall. Not that vehemently taking a stand is a bad thing, but sometimes you take a righteous stance yet have no idea what you are talking about...

[SiuHung]

So if a teacher can kick your ass 3 ways to sunday but doesnt' come out and tell you how and why you question their ability? Doesn't make sense to me. What does their talk-fu have to do with their actualy ability to throw down?



So you prefer to be spoon fed. That's cool.

No. I believe you added the ass kicking part to what I said in my previous post. :p If a teacher can kick my ass 3 ways to Sunday, I will be inclined to take them and whatever they say in regard to martial skill very seriously.

However, if a teacher only talks in riddles and vague key phrases, and there is no or little physical transmission, I will find it hard to take them seriously. If that means spoon fed, well that's your opinion. I prefer to get answers and clear instruction, so I can get in there and do it. Maybe that goes agains the grain in CMA, but my experience has been that the best teachers are no BS and willing to put thier hands on to teach rather than coaching through codes and anachronisms. But hey...take your CMA your way, I'll have mine my way :)

[SPJ]

I was not really saying a postion that how the teacher should or should not teach in a certain way.

Every teacher is different. Some would ask students to practice first and learn how and why later. Some would explain how and why in the first instance of lessons before practicing. Some would be somewhere in the middle.

My last post was actually a Chinglish poem. They are Chinese poems with rythmes but translated into English.

I said that principles are in words. We have to practice and with the help of the teacher. Then we start to understand. If there is no practice, words will remain words.

When we look for the secrets, we start to realize Oh, it is there.

It is just a poem about principles.

:)

[Royal Dragon]

I hate the whole "Spoon fed" thing anyway. I good teacher transmits his knowledge in a clear, and comprehendable fashion. When this is done, his students prosper, and do very well. Then all the other teachers try to make up for thier lack of teaching ability by shouting "Spoon feeding!!" at the other guy for haveing good teaching skills.

And yes, in Kung Fu there is alot of self realasation, however, if the student is not taught in a comprehendable way and is allways in a state of perpetual confusion, they won't understand the principals well enough to have those self realasations anyway.

When a student asks questions, and the teacher refuses to answer because he does not want to ruin his students by "Spoon feeding" them, it's becasue he either does not have the answers, or does not know how to teach the answers he does have.


In reality, there is no "Spoon feeding". It's a term made up to guilt the students into NOT expecting to be properly taught...yet still feel good about it. It also shifts the blame for poor understanding from the bad teacher, to his students.

The term "Spoon feeding", is nothing more than a smoke and mirrors mind game.

[omarthefish]

I know what you meant. I even re-emphasised it after Lost track got his panties in a bunch. That's why it was an ironic post.

Perhaps I should just stick with blunt direct statements from now on to avoid any potential for double meanings, teasing or other fun.

Go back and look at the post I made fun of. You didn't say, "ONLY talks in riddles and vague key phrases...." You simply said that anyone who uses that stuff is not to be trusted.


...but my experience has been that the best teachers are no BS and willing to put thier hands on to teach rather than coaching through codes and anachronisms.

Emphasis added. You just change "rather than" to "in addition to" and we are almost in agreement. Here's the thing though, the best teachers in MY experience, and this is NOT limited to MA, the best teachers are teh ones that give you 2 angles and a side and let you figure out the other 2 sides on your own. That's the only way the knowledge becomes your own. Otherwise all you can do is parrot your teacher. . . or whatever is the current popular view on BBS systems.

Now if you don't actually believe that everything should be spelled out clearly and that a good teacher should sometimes give you clues and drills and exercises and not give you a straight answer untill you've almost figured it out on your own...then that's cool too and we actually agree and you must see how that post of yours was misleading.

Demanding that every detail be spelled out for you in simple terms is either spoon feeding or dumbing down material.

Another point here,

Your original post was in response to SPJ's comment:


The principles are in words.

They are colloquial or in poems.

You may recite them at heart.

However, what do they mean?

Via practice and the guide of a teacher, you may start to understand.

The secrets are there, and yet we have to look for them.

He's talking about 'kou jue', and integral part of traditional CMA training for many styles. They are not fotune cookie mysticism. They are the reference point for the defining characteristics of a style. The "secret" meanings are open secrets. Basically there's nothing mysterious about any of them if they are given to you at the right time. They only "in code" if you are an outsider to the style. That means that by the time one has been transmitted to you, it's meaning should be immediately clear. But if you haven't done the training then they sound like mysterious b s .

Pearls before swine but here's an example...and what the heck, it's back on topic:

A Baji principle -

"Short contained inside of long, hard within soft,
long hiding inside of short, and "no can defend!" :D

In Chinese it's a ryhmed verse.

[omarthefish]

Royal Dragon and SPJ,

You both posted while I was writing.

RD,

Agreed. I think I made the context of the statement clear in my last post though. Gotta run.

[SiuHung]

I know what you meant. I even re-emphasised it after Lost track got his panties in a bunch. That's why it was an ironic post.

Perhaps I should just stick with blunt direct statements from now on to avoid any potential for double meanings, teasing or other fun.


Well, what can I say? I read your post running on 4 hours of sleep. ;)

[Vasquez]

You ever been in a real fight?

I didn't realize taiji or wing chun gave you sixth sense.

I used to face danger all the time having been a bull fighter. considering they weigh many times more than a person and with sharp horns facing a person is ha a piece of cake. You lean to be calm in the face of danger, very zen like. Yes I've had to defend myself against people before


you should've been here before blooming lotus was banned. you could've fallen in love with her and her love of dim mak...


Who's blooming lotus and why did she get banned?

[SPJ]

BL was much interested in Zen and MA.

[Losttrak]

Mr Fish... Create a separate thread just for the topic of your Talk-Fu? Little narcissism maybe?

You've just basically called me a liar

There is a HUGE difference between duplicity and ignorance. However, when one preaches incorrect information as if it were the truth... its excruciating to say the least. ;)

[omarthefish]

edit:

All further responses to Lost Track will be here:

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36624

[Ben Gash]

You beat me to the punch David, that bugged me as well :o

[omarthefish]

Who's David?

:confused:

And what post are you talking about?

[Ben Gash]

What is this? Busted song title day? ;)
David Jamieson/Kung Lek and his spelling/usage correction.

[Vasquez]

BL was much interested in Zen and MA.

Maybe BL was interested in learning the source of TCMA. I'm more interested in the practical day to day applications of zen and MA.

[SPJ]

Both are needed.

Study to find the source or the root. It is the question of the basics or fundamentals.

Day to day apps will be the practice and extension of the roots.

Although we may find Zen or Chan in everything we do and everything we come to know. They all lead to the source or the truth.

Realization of the truth or see everything in the light (enlightenment) is going back to the root or the source.

Both are wise.

:D

[norther practitioner]

The principals of my style are basics, basics, and oh, turn your waist.

[Vasquez]

Both are needed.

Study to find the source or the root. It is the question of the basics or fundamentals.

Day to day apps will be the practice and extension of the roots.

Although we may find Zen or Chan in everything we do and everything we come to know. They all lead to the source or the truth.

Realization of the truth or see everything in the light (enlightenment) is going back to the root or the source.

Both are wise.

:D

SPJ you ware wise. Which sifu do you study from. Where's BL? Maybe BL's views is what I should be seeking for.

[norther practitioner]

SPJ you ware wise. Which sifu do you study from. Where's BL? Maybe BL's views is what I should be seeking for.


Be very careful what you wish for.

ps, she's posting over on Doc's site now...

www.russbo.com

if you feed the troll I'll take you out though.

[SPJ]

Which sifu do you study from.

Over the years, I have many teachers.

You really have to value the time with your teachers. Because one day they may not be there for you any more.

;)

[SPJ]

These are principles for a swordsman. The similar ideas were espoused in the movie "Hero".

1. You practice with your sword. You become part of your sword. Where your sword would go, you are there, too.

2. You practice with the sword. The sword becomes part of you. Or extension of you. Where your will (Yi) is, so is your sword.

3. You have the swordplay in you. You may use any stick or object. You may use it like a sword. Or you turn the object into a sword.

4. There is no sword. There is only you.

Number 4 would be the Zen of you and your sword.

;)

[Vasquez]

Be very careful what you wish for.

ps, she's posting over on Doc's site now...

www.russbo.com

if you feed the troll I'll take you out though.

Thanks for the link. I checked it, looks like she's moved on :( It's almost like searching for a master to learn wisdom. More I think about it, it's her approach I might be missing.

[SPJ]

What is gained is to be lost.

What is lost is to be gained.

It is the impermance of things.

:D

[SPJ]

How did we come up with principles?

Fightings are moves and countermoves. These are tactics. Come with them is the strategy.

The moves and countermoves are solutions to combat problems.

They are derived from actual combat.

We then derive some common factors or ingredients from all these moves and countermoves.

We summarized the derivations into principles being it tactical or strategy.

From the principles, we may derive more solutions or new moves and countermoves.

This is a 2 way street.

Who is doing the practice and derivation? We.

So it all comes from us.

The principles come from the stylists that practice the style.

:D

[David Jamieson]

well, i will share a couple, but that's it. :p

-move into the attack to kill the power of the attack, cover as you move in, then strike when you are in the gate.

-driving kicks to the joints to impede motion in your attacker.

-snapping kicks to soft targets to cause pain.

-Hard to soft/Soft to hard (eg:Use open hand on hard bone, use fists on soft tissue)

ok, that's it, oh and make certain your retreat is not always linear, you can be followed easier if you consistently back up in a straight line, change direction in your retreat and you will force your attacker to change direction in his.

[canglong]

The principle of body structure is:
The knee lives outside of the hip while the hip lives outside of the elbow and thus the shape of the triangle is formed uniting the body karma of stability with that of mobility.

[SiuHung]

well, i will share a couple, but that's it. :p

-move into the attack to kill the power of the attack, cover as you move in, then strike when you are in the gate.

-driving kicks to the joints to impede motion in your attacker.

-snapping kicks to soft targets to cause pain.

-Hard to soft/Soft to hard (eg:Use open hand on hard bone, use fists on soft tissue)

ok, that's it, oh and make certain your retreat is not always linear, you can be followed easier if you consistently back up in a straight line, change direction in your retreat and you will force your attacker to change direction in his.

These are nice David, I especially like the soft/hard one. It's something I forgot in my own list. Glad this thread seems to be getting back on track.

[Vasquez]

It is the impermance of things.

:D

What about death and taxes or death tax?

[SPJ]

Impermance is due to the fact that everything is moving in the circle of space and time.

The death of a star such as the Sun burned out its fuel. It creates a gravity pull and the Black Hole. Once the so much density into the hole, there is a big explosion. The explosion is from immense implosion first. The explosion causes the birth of new stars and nebulus. It is called super NOVA.

The death of something is the birth of something else.

When you make a lot of money you pay tax. When you are umemployed or retired, you collect umemployed benefits and social security.

The tax dollars are from the people should be used for the benefits of the people.

The permance of things would be the truth or Dao.

It depends on your religions.

:)

[SPJ]

There are many principles in each style.

In Tai Chi; Wo Sun Ren Bei.

All the steps and maneuvers in Tai Chi are to place yourself in a position that you may exert your Jing smoothly. Wo Sun.

In the mean time, you engage the opponent from his or her back side or the side that he or she is leaning to fall or difficult to reverse. Ren Bei.

The trick is to know what they are. If you do, you are the Tai Chi master.

You may ask any Tai Chi practitioner if he or she knows what Wo Sun Ren Bei means.

:)

[Vasquez]

Impermance is due to the fact that everything is moving in the circle of space and time.

The death of a star such as the Sun burned out its fuel. It creates a gravity pull and the Black Hole. Once the so much density into the hole, there is a big explosion. The explosion is from immense implosion first. The explosion causes the birth of new stars and nebulus. It is called super NOVA.

The death of something is the birth of something else.

When you make a lot of money you pay tax. When you are umemployed or retired, you collect umemployed benefits and social security.

The tax dollars are from the people should be used for the benefits of the people.

The permance of things would be the truth or Dao.

It depends on your religions.

:)

You are a wise one. When things die they get reborn. Human can become animals and animals can become human. More animals are becoming human than humans becoming animals. That's why many animal specises are gettig extinct.