Double standards in the mantis community

[shirkers1]

http://tanglang.lifehome-china.com/statement_6.html

So I read this article posted here about a fellow mantis practitioner and think to myself.... "mark, how should a master of a style represent himself"? It's funny that this article mentions a man that is actually worthy of the title "master"... Master hu is a man of action, putting himself and his art out there for ALL to see. Giving a great example of positive mantis practices, actually showing what he has to offer... and his stuff is amazing to boot!!!! Jake should be commended for getting the word out about this gem of the mantis world, not talked about negatively on a garbage web site.

On one hand you have a "man" who claims to be a master, wearing studded belts and wrist bands. Running around all greased up with no shirts on looking like he just came from a gay porn shoot talking smack about everyone in town. But never actually showing his skills in any way shape or form...... Hmmm doesn't sound like what I would think a true representative of a style holding the title of "master" and "true successor" yielding the complete system should act like to me.

On the other hand you have a humble man who gives everyone interested in learning a positive example of mantis boxing a chance to learn and see what he has to offer. Among other things, but really that is all that needs to be said. Because actions speak louder than words in my book. Master hu is and so far "mr" pel isn't.

In fact wasn't it common for masters back in the day to represent their style by spreading out and opening schools elsewhere... Accepting challenges to show case their skills? I don't seem to recall any stories of LGY sitting down writing out articles about fellow mantis practitioners being petty, fake, garbage, money grubbing, etc and hiding away in his school never showing what he had to offer... No he accepted challenges, chose to fight and spread his talents. But for some reason the self acclaimed "successor" of the LGY lineage feels it is better to sit back and try to stir things up by posting childish stories on a web site. ; :rolleyes:

So sit back relax, have a brew "mr" pel.... Stir your little pot and think to yourself that you are the man. :rolleyes: Send your emails, get your students who have less than two years training and aren't "allowed" to touch hands until after they have two years under their belts send emails, giving their insight to what in their minute knowledge is of mantis value, write your articles full of negative garbage, never once show your skills in mantis boxing.... I'm beginning to wonder if there is anything to show... The balls in your court, I hope you received my greetings from your fellow shanghai teacher.... :D

mark

[Hungfutkune]

Shrikers,

I am sorry did I miss something??

I read the link and nowhere does it say anything about Master Hu. (Please correct me if I am wrong).

I studied with Master Pel for only a short time and have not had contact with him for over six months, since i have left Shanghai. Over my stay there I found Master Pel a worthy teacher and quite deserving of the title "Master". I did find it strange that he would bad mouth someone as he did in the link you have provided. But after further research I realized it was just a retaliation of what 3 Harmonies had said about him and his crew in Shanghai.

"Hate Mongers" is a very strong insult and really wasn't called for in 3 Harmonies' previous post. I also read your post in MQ where you call Master Pel a "****". Are you really surprised that people retaliate and talk ill of you after comments like those? Actually both of those comments (said in your derogatory way) could be considered LIBEL.

I can see Master Pel's disappointment in the Mantis Gathering you talk about. I believed this gathering a point where all Mantis Practitioners got together to share and discuss their techniques without charge to anybody, but just for the good of spreading the word of MANTIS. It is disappointing when you advertise it as that and then one person decides that since all the Mantis practioners are gathered in one place, why don't I put on a seminar and charge people money. This seems more like a shrewd business tactic then a gathering. (Please again, with all due respect, please correct me if I am wrong, maybe the seminar was for free and I was misinformed). I am sure that Master HU had a lot to offer and maybe Jake Burroughs had the best intentions for showing off his sifu, but it would have been more thoughtful if they didn't charge for it!

The ironic thing about Master Pel's Statements is that I would never have read them if you had not pointed it out to me. Seems to me that you secretly may be one of his students and work for him as his publicist? -sarcasm- (I know that you do not know Master Pel, but between you and BTL, you both make great publicist for his site).

I guess my point is that if you are going to talk ill about someone first, you shouldn't be angered about someone talking ill about you.

- Those who live in glass house, should not throw stones -

p.s thanks againg for reintroducing Master Pel's website and statements to this forum, it's actually been getting quite boring around here.

[18elders]

the mantis conference was all day saturday. Master Hu's seminar was on sunday. Being this a free country, one did not have to attend the seminar IF ONE DID NOT CHOOSE TO.
The conference was just as it was advertised as, and a great success.

How could Mr. Pel be disappointed in the gathering? He wasn't there?

It was nice to have Master Hu there for his seminar and input into future gatherings and tournaments.

[Three Harmonies]

First of all the seminar my teacher had was a seperate event fromt he gathering, hence why it was not advertised as part of it. It was in celebration of my good friend Mike Biggie Laoshi opening his first school. I did charge a whopping $60 to help cover the expenses of my teacher coming in from BC. Am I an ass for that? I tell you what if anyone is the least bit unhappy, or feeling like they wre "ripped" off, contact me and I will personally reimburse you your money! If we want to start talking **** about people making money, we can also discuss why Pel advertises a book on his site, proclaiming to be willing to share his understandings with all, and then turns around and says it is a seceret manual only for his students!?
Second of all....my posts were rebuttal's to both open posts and private messages his kids sent me, so you have no clue what the whole situation was. One thing left out is I do mention that "hate monger" was the wrong verbage in a future post. So call it whatever you wish... I have yet to see Pel post anything of worth. ALl he wants to do is slam everyone and drag them down to his level. No one is as good as him. People are spreading the wrong information. No one besides Pel is qualified to teach Seven Star because they do not have a picture with five dots on the rug behind LKY! I just get tired of hearing it. It would be different if he even leveled it out with some informative HISTORICAL information every now and then! But he does not!


These three posts are small, but reveal many things about Jake Burroughs. I would also like to acknowledge that he thinks that "my attitude" also earns me the disrespect of his teachers.

I cannot speak for my teachers, outside the fact that they do not tolerate people that do nothing but bad mouth and hurt others. Feeling insecure?

I judge this against his habit of pushing the seminar business. The real low point in this behaviour came very recently. I saw that during the Mantis Quarterly meeting in Ohio, U.S.A. he ran a separate, and separately fee-paying, seminar during the same weekend. Despite the open sharing and all inclusive nature of this meeting, Jake Burroughs saw fit to shamelessly profiteer from his 'brothers' while he had them together in the same place - and even chase them up about it in the MQ Online forum.

Yeah I am such a Mantis Stud, doing seminars all over the place :rolleyes: I have done two seminars in the last two years. I hardly call it a business. If I host someone in my hometown I make $0!! What a business. And of course I followed up with the seminar on the forum. It was the only place I advertised. Not to mention it was totally sold out. Must be all my "brothers" I am ripping off who are too stupid to make their decisions that came! Right!! Yeah thats it!
I am all about spreading the art. I am happy to do seminars anywhere. Maybe Pel you would like to fly me into China and arrange one? Nahhh, thats okay. When you have the "real" stuff why bother.
I am not sure how any of you can criticize any of us when none of you guys showed up in Ohio. I am sure you have a good excuse, but I am sure I could care less. Just like I am sure you have good excuses and reasons for... never sharing clips. Never sharing anything nice about the art. About never getting out and teaching a seminar yourselves. Never coming and supporting anything any of us do. The people that know me, know what I am about. The rest can kiss may ass!
I am now part of a select group according to "Master" Pel. I have been grouped in with Kee Kam Wing, Jochen Woflgramm, Steve Cottrell etc. To be honest I am very honored to be grouped with you all! I do expect my big meanie head, *******, money grubbing, rip off artist, club patch soon in the mail guys! :p

Sorry if I offended anyone. I did indeed say Pel was a hate monger. I did retract that. And Pel once again proves my point. He is more interested in hurting than helping. Too bad really. Guy supposedly has some skills.

Truly
Jake :D

[mantid1]

Shirkers,

I have to agree with hungfut on the point of posting this guys site on the forum. If you would not have posted it I would have never read what he said about 3 harmonies. If you leave it on his site that is where it will stay. Now everyone who comes to this forum will read it. I realize you where standing up for your friend but you may have done more damage than good. You said the guy looked like he had just come from a gay porn shoot. Dont let people drag you down to that level. This would be better as a PM but I would like others to get this message also. No offense intended, I am sure you meant well.


Thanks



As far as 3 harmonies making money teahing CMA, what is the problem? I make a living teaching CMA. Is that wrong? Who do you think does more for mantis the guy teaching 2 people in his basement or the guy who is out there promoting it?

I dont think anyone complained about getting the chance to train with this highly skilled master the day after the gathering. In fact I am willing to bet that most extended their plans just to be able to attend the seminar.

Keep up the good work Mr. Harmonies :)


I think Bei should remove this thread.

[Oso]

Wow!

Jake, you're famous now!!!

Isn't it time to stop dignifying Mr. Pel w/ responses though?

[shirkers1]

What Jake said covered your question about his seminar... So look for the answers there.

The thread was about what I think a true master, a representative of a style should act like..... Mr pel brought up jakes seminar which involved his teacher.. Which master hu is what I think a true master and representative of a style embodies... a man of action. Not what pel throws out for people to read.

As for bringing up the article.... I'm going to look at it this way, pel is posting stories trying to give people I know personally a bad name... Talking about stuff he has no first hand knowledge of. So by me bringing up that page I see it as any one who reads it will get both sides of the story and see how much of a manipulative behind the scenes guy he really is... "LIBAL" I said "looks like" didn't say he was... and frankly I didn't know if it was a bad thing.. Some people are into that kind of stuff, so take it like you want to take it. This cat can say things that actually could cost people money by bad mouthing their livings to the public. THAT could be "libal" so maybe he should be thinking about that before posting these articles.

The difference is I'm just talking out of my ass, I'll play his game. That's what he wants. But don't write an article talking jive and not expect to get negative stuff thrown back. It's all part of the game. I'm getting stuff thrown at me via posts and emails and I expect it. No problem, they are just words. :D

As for the personal student of pels and working as his publicist I find that funny. That was a good one and you got a chuckle out of me. :D I have no problem letting people know who I am and where I'm at. I've already turned down mr pels offer to train with him, strickly on the fact that he refused to show me what he had to offer before I packed up my life and headed to another country to train with someone I've never seen move before.

Frankly I expected the thread to be gone when I woke up this morning.

[BeiTangLang]

I'm sick for a day & all hell breaks out. I'm locking this one till I can read them all, then make a decision on the thread!

***Sighs***

[BeiTangLang]

Easy there Mark, There is no reason someone should not be able to give their own opinions on their own web-site; or even here as long as they are respectfull about it.

Speaking of which, if you don't mind, please go back & edit your post so I don't have to.

Best wishes to you & great job on the shirts BTW!




http://tanglang.lifehome-china.com/statement_6.html

So I read this article posted here about a fellow mantis practitioner and think to myself.... "mark, how should a master of a style represent himself"? It's funny that this article mentions a man that is actually worthy of the title "master"... Master hu is a man of action, putting himself and his art out there for ALL to see. Giving a great example of positive mantis practices, actually showing what he has to offer... and his stuff is amazing to boot!!!! Jake should be commended for getting the word out about this gem of the mantis world, not talked about negatively on a garbage web site.
mark

[BeiTangLang]

LOL! I would not have known about it had he not shared it either!

Speaking of publicity, I'm sure Jake is thanking you heavily about now!

I don't mind publicising anyone as long as I compromise nothing to do so.

Best wishes,
BTL


The ironic thing about Master Pel's Statements is that I would never have read them if you had not pointed it out to me. Seems to me that you secretly may be one of his students and work for him as his publicist? -sarcasm- (I know that you do not know Master Pel, but between you and BTL, you both make great publicist for his site).

I guess my point is that if you are going to talk ill about someone first, you shouldn't be angered about someone talking ill about you.

- Those who live in glass house, should not throw stones -

p.s thanks againg for reintroducing Master Pel's website and statements to this forum, it's actually been getting quite boring around here.

[BeiTangLang]

Is this waht it rtake to get you guys to come out of your shells & talk? :)

If it is, then I guess maybe the moderating style needs to lax back up a bit! LOL!