Varmannie

[Viper555]

Does anyone on here know where I could find a school ANYWHERE that teaches this or any information regarding it period? I have not been able to find any information on it on the web or any books on it except for a few pages that are memorials to people who took back in 1920 but are now dead(yeah, that's helpful).


Any help at all is greatly appreciated.

[SevenStar]

actually, it may be quite helpful... find out who the dead guys trained - try to contact them.

[Viper555]

Yeah, I thought of that, but as far as I can tell he didn't teach anyone the original form of varmannie but changed it and *******ized it's original form into one "super" martial art that he taught.

I did manage to find one guy who knows it and is still alive and well in the US. Only problem is he doesn't actively teach it. I sent him an email so hopefully i'll get a reply soon.

If anyone's interested this is the guys site here: http://web.ask.com/redir?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftm.wc.ask.com%2Fr%3Ft%3Dan%26 s%3Da%26sv%3Dz6f5372ca%26uid%3D096BC661E324F2624%2 6sid%3D1BFC14D7CEB312924%26o%3D0%26qid%3D07FA9FE92 C804F42881AD2292D2EB041%26io%3D1%26ask%3Dvarmannie %26uip%3D42be90c3%26en%3Dte%26eo%3D-100%26pt%3DJonathan%2520Maberry%252C%2520Author%25 20and%2520Self-Defense%2520Trainer%2520-%2520Self-Defense...%26ac%3D24%26qs%3D1%26pg%3D2%26ep%3D1%26 te_par%3D192%26te_id%3D%26u%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fw ww.jonathanmaberry.com%252fselfdefense.htm&bpg=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.ask.com%2Fweb%3Fq%3Dvarmannie %26o%3D0%26page%3D2&q=varmannie&s=a&bu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.jonathanmaberry.com%2fselfdefe nse.htm&qte=0&o=0&abs=8th%20degree%20black%20belt%20in%20Shinowara-ryu%20Jujutsu%2C%20a%205th%20degree%20black%20belt %20in%20Yu-Sool%20Hapkido%2C%20and%20a%20Master%20Instructor% E2%80%99s%20License%20in%20Varmannie.&tit=Jonathan%20Maberry%2C%20Author%20and%20Self-Defense%20Trainer%20-%20Self-Defense...&bin=&cat=wb&purl=http%3A%2F%2Ftm.wc.ask.com%2Fi%2Fb.html%3Ft%3 Dan%26s%3Da%26uid%3D096BC661E324F2624%26sid%3D1BFC 14D7CEB312924%26qid%3D07FA9FE92C804F42881AD2292D2E B041%26io%3D%26sv%3Dz6f5372ca%26o%3D0%26ask%3Dvarm annie%26uip%3D42be90c3%26en%3Dbm%26eo%3D-100%26pt%3D%26ac%3D24%26qs%3D1%26pg%3D2%26u%3Dhttp %3A%2F%2Fmyjeeves.ask.com%2Faction%2Fsnip&Complete=1

He seems to be more into doing workshops for disabled people and such now rather than teach varmannie.

It's sad really, there seems to be only two people in the united stated who know this art and neither one teaches. I'm sure there's some places in india that teach it but I haven't been able to locate a school there either. This art could very well die soon.

[Oso]

Yeah, I thought of that, but as far as I can tell he didn't teach anyone the original form of varmannie but changed it and *******ized it's original form into one "super" martial art that he taught.


?????

;)

[Viper555]

?????

;)


? Not sure what you're getting at ?

[Oso]

yo, tried to PM you but you don't have that option enabled.

don't you train in the BRKF group somewhere?

[Viper555]

yo, tried to PM you but you don't have that option enabled.

don't you train in the BRKF group somewhere?


My bad, I haven't been on here in awhile, didn't realize it wasn't enabled. Fixed it though.


Yeah, I used to train at the one in lenoir about a 1.5-2 years ago but unfortunately had to stop. In about 8-9 months I plan on training again though and may go back there if I can't find a varmannie teacher.

[Oso]

right, I thought we'd talked a while back.

the above was my attempt at an inside joke.

I was assuming you were referring to Sifu Kash.

what's got you stuck on Varmannie?

I'd never heard that one in come up in any of the discussions.

talk to you later, heading to class. you can hit me w/ an email if you want to.

[Viper555]

Gotcha. I'd fogotten about that(been away for quite some time now).


Basically, I ended up at varmannie because of my studying of the kundalini. I'm currently working on yoga and the raising of kundalini(started out with just basic meditation and such and I eventually found my way to kundalini yoga)and have been wanting to get back into martial arts for some time but wasn't sure what style. One day, while I was reading a book on kundalini there was a short passage in it that talked about varmannie and it turns out the two practices are very closely related. After reading that I thought, "Hey, i'm enjoying the kundalini yoga and here's a martial art that is closely related with it's practice" so naturally I felt that this would be a good art for me to practice. Unfortunately, it seems like not many other people have had the same inspiration seeing as how there is next to no information on it anywhere i've searched. It's proving to be a very frustrating search.

Edit: If anyone's interested, I could post the excerpt from the book for you to read.

[Oso]

cool, sounds like a good quest.

good luck.

[Vajramusti]

Understanding kundalini shakti is an important key in all good Indian martial arts
and other arts influenced by the shakti principle.
Hope that you have good instruction in kundalini yoga. One can make mistakes.

Joy Chaudhuri

[Jingo]

What is Varmannie? I have read on another forum that it is from India, but where in India? India is basically a sub-continent with over 18 states which were formerly their own countries and kingdoms. It was around the 1600s when the British had colonized all these states and formed it into India. Otherwise prior to that India did not exist. In the Dravidian south there was Tamilakkam which consisted of the states of present day Southern India. Tamilakkam was ruled by three dynasties for thousands of years one after another namely the Cholas, Pandyas, and the Cheras. In Central India the country was ruled by the Chalukya dynasty, and in Northerwestern India it was the Guptas. There were many kingdoms ruling for thousands of years on the present day Indian sub-continent. Also, each state has it's own separate language. There are three major families of ethnic groups. These are the Indo-Aryans of Northern India whose roots trace back to Persia; the Mon-Kmher of Eastern India whose roots trace back to Cambodia, Laos, and Burma; and the Dravidians, whose roots trace to the Eastern Africans and the aboriginals of Australia.

As for the martial arts there is one in the state of Kerala called Kalaripayattu (http://www.kalarippayat.com/)which was formed around the 13th century A.D. This art has movements similar to Ninjitsu. However, there are martial arts older than Kalaripayattu in the state of Tamil Nadu and certain parts of Sri Lanka. Their martial arts are called Kuttu Varisai (empty hand combat), and Varma Kalai (http://perso.orange.fr/varmakalai/)(pressure point attacks). Silambam (http://silambam.com/) (staff fighting) is just one of the many various weapons used like the double stick, double sword, single sword, and the spring sword.

The martial arts which resembles those of China, Japan, and Southeast Asia can be found in Southern India, otherwise known as Tamilakkam prior to the 1600s. Some of you may have heard of the art of Vajramusthi (http://www.bjj.com.au/john_article_web_7.html)It is a form of wrestling/ grappling which has been practiced in the North Indian state of Gujurat for thousands of years by the Gupta kingdom. The Guptas were also in contact with Alexander the Great. There are also similarities between Greek Pankration and Vajramusthi. In the state of Punjab also in North India is the art of Gatka (http://www.atlantamartialarts.com/styles/gatka.htm) (sword fighting) formed during the 16th century by the Sikhs. In the Eastern state of Manipur their martial art is called Thang-Ta (http://www.thang-ta.com/).

There is no martial art on the Indian sub-continent which represents the whole of India. Each represents its own state. Some have been around for a few hundred years, and others for thousands of years. As for the art of Varmannie, I have never heard of that art. What state or region is it from? Also, it was 1730s when the art was said to be introduced to Japan by a tea merchant, how did the British who were ruling these lands allow that? The East India Trading Company was created right after India was created by the British. Everything from imports to exports went trhough the British East India Trading Company.
The martial arts which resembles those of China, Japan, and Southeast Asia can be found in Southern India, otherwise known as Tamilakkam prior to the 1600s. Some of you may have heard of the art of Vajramusthi. It is a form of wrestling/ grappling which has been practiced in the North Indian state of Gujurat for thousands of years by the Gupta kingdom. The Guptas were also in contact with Alexander the Great. There are also similarities between Greek Pankration and Vajramusthi. In the state of Punjab also in North India is the art of Gatka formed during the 16th century by the Sikhs. There is yet another martial art called Thang-Ta from the Eastern state of Manipur.

There is no martial art on the Indian sub-continent which represents the whole of India. Each represents its own state. Some have been around for a few hundred years, and others for thousands of years. As for the art of Varmannie, I have never heard of that art. What state or region is it from? Also, 1730s when the art was said to be introduced to Japan by a tea merchant, how did the British allow the sub-continentals indigenous people to conduct their own business? The East India Trading Company was created right after India was created by the British. Everything from imports to exports went trhough the British East India Trading Company.

The website where I found this brief info on Varmannie is:

http://forums.davesmk.com/showpost.php?p=56845&postcount=9