mantis108
05-30-2005, 02:24 PM
This is my personal thoughts in reply to Mantid1's query. All my usual caveats apply.
Shandong Tanglang (mantis), Fujian Baihe (white crane), and Dongjiang Longxing (Dragon style) might share something in common and even might have evolved from a puglistic source (ie Fanziquan) IMHO.
Fujian Baihe or more precisely Yong Chun He Fa (prototypical Baihe mid 1600s CE) would be a focal point and a hub in my understanding of the relationship between these styles
I believe that Li Bingxiao (mid 1700s CE) visited the south (may be Jiangsu or Zhejiang area) possibly Fujian as well since his family's ancestoral root was in Fujian. He brought back a pugilistic system which was known as Tanglangquan. So in a sense this would be southern method northern application. Surely the body mechanics and power generation as we know it today is more akin to most of the northern styles which could be collectively link to Pigua mechanics (ie Fanche Lulu, Chansijing, etc.) But I feel we can not overlook the intricacy of the fundamental stances such as horse, hiking and minor stance as well as numerous posture's role that they play in Li's Tanglang. BTW minor stance's southern counter part is the triangle stance.
As for the typical southern power generation, it was further developed since 1683 with the additional teaching of White Lotus follower, Baijie (white commandment), to the Yong Chun He Fa. He taught Cun Jing Jie Li (inch power section strength) to the white crane clans; hence, the birth of various white crane. Sollow, Spit, Surface, and Sink became the signature mechanics of not only the Fujian arts but also the Hakka arts further south into Guangdong.
Shandong Tanglang, Fujian Baihe, and Dongjiang Longxing not only share commonality in system structure IMHO but also some form structures pretaining to internal aspects of the practices. I am of the opinion that Sanhui Jiuzhuan (3 returns 9 rotations method) of Shandong Tanglang might have relationship to Sanjian (three battles) of Yong Chun Baihe to a certain degree. It is of note though that Shandong Tanglang don't have offical bow or salutation which is typical of most northern styles. While Fujian Baihe has the lotus salute at the end of the form signifying it's roots in the White Lotus sect. Dongjiang Longxing has the southern Shaolin Salution to indicate it's affiliation with the legendary temple. The bow and salutation are more typical of the southern styles. BTW, one can find a rendition of lotus salute in Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate as well.
Mantis108
Shandong Tanglang (mantis), Fujian Baihe (white crane), and Dongjiang Longxing (Dragon style) might share something in common and even might have evolved from a puglistic source (ie Fanziquan) IMHO.
Fujian Baihe or more precisely Yong Chun He Fa (prototypical Baihe mid 1600s CE) would be a focal point and a hub in my understanding of the relationship between these styles
I believe that Li Bingxiao (mid 1700s CE) visited the south (may be Jiangsu or Zhejiang area) possibly Fujian as well since his family's ancestoral root was in Fujian. He brought back a pugilistic system which was known as Tanglangquan. So in a sense this would be southern method northern application. Surely the body mechanics and power generation as we know it today is more akin to most of the northern styles which could be collectively link to Pigua mechanics (ie Fanche Lulu, Chansijing, etc.) But I feel we can not overlook the intricacy of the fundamental stances such as horse, hiking and minor stance as well as numerous posture's role that they play in Li's Tanglang. BTW minor stance's southern counter part is the triangle stance.
As for the typical southern power generation, it was further developed since 1683 with the additional teaching of White Lotus follower, Baijie (white commandment), to the Yong Chun He Fa. He taught Cun Jing Jie Li (inch power section strength) to the white crane clans; hence, the birth of various white crane. Sollow, Spit, Surface, and Sink became the signature mechanics of not only the Fujian arts but also the Hakka arts further south into Guangdong.
Shandong Tanglang, Fujian Baihe, and Dongjiang Longxing not only share commonality in system structure IMHO but also some form structures pretaining to internal aspects of the practices. I am of the opinion that Sanhui Jiuzhuan (3 returns 9 rotations method) of Shandong Tanglang might have relationship to Sanjian (three battles) of Yong Chun Baihe to a certain degree. It is of note though that Shandong Tanglang don't have offical bow or salutation which is typical of most northern styles. While Fujian Baihe has the lotus salute at the end of the form signifying it's roots in the White Lotus sect. Dongjiang Longxing has the southern Shaolin Salution to indicate it's affiliation with the legendary temple. The bow and salutation are more typical of the southern styles. BTW, one can find a rendition of lotus salute in Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate as well.
Mantis108